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Demovictory9

(32,479 posts)
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:27 PM Sep 2018

man was locked in his cadillac in the garage for 14 hours.. know where your manual door release is

for those of you with fancy cars..



'I thought I was going to die': Driver, 75, gets trapped in Cadillac inside his garage for 14 HOURS in 70 degree heat due to a key fob malfunction
Peter Pyros, 75, was trapped in his car for 14 hours due to an electrical fault
He feared he was going to die as he passed out twice and urinated inside his shoe as temperatures in Cleveland last month soared to 70 degrees
A neighbor heard Pyros banging on the window for help and called authorities
The pensioner wrote a letter to his loved ones explaining how he got locked inside the car as he thought they might think that he tried to commit suicide


Pyros said he rarely drives his Cadillac, but thought he should run the engine as winter approaches.

He said he went out to his garage to start the car at 10am on August 31.

He didn't take his cellphone with him, he said, and he didn't tell anyone what he was doing. He didn't think he needed to.

He told the Washington Post: 'It was the most horrifying experience you can imagine.

'I accepted, at some point, that this is how I'm going to die.

'It's like you're in a safe and you don't know how to get out of it.'

Pyros, who lives alone, claimed that he pressed his mouth to the door and screamed for help, but no one was home to hear him.

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In a statement to the Washington Post, General Motors said that 'any vehicle or key fob can lose power' and 'that risk can increase as the vehicle ages.'

'Manufacturers provide a way to manually unlock the doors if the vehicle or fob loses power,' it said.

'Because this varies by make and model, drivers should review the Door Lock section of their owner's manual so they will know what to do.

In the case of the XLR, there is a door release handle located on the floor, next to each seat.'

Pyros said he did not know there was a door release handle and, even if he had thought to read the owner's manual, it was too steamy in the car to see it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6160329/An-elderly-man-gets-trapped-inside-Cadillac-14-hours-electrical-malfunction.html
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man was locked in his cadillac in the garage for 14 hours.. know where your manual door release is (Original Post) Demovictory9 Sep 2018 OP
"Soared to 70?" cwydro Sep 2018 #1
It's a UK paper, so i guess that's 70 C marylandblue Sep 2018 #7
And you think it was nearly 160 in Cleveland Ohio? mythology Sep 2018 #21
I think it was 160 In the car on a hot day, but maybe I misunderstood marylandblue Sep 2018 #23
Lol. cwydro Sep 2018 #43
Another article says that the high temperature in Cleveland that day was 77℉ sl8 Sep 2018 #22
70 degrees was taken from the original Washington Post article. Ms. Toad Sep 2018 #42
Well that makes more sense. marylandblue Sep 2018 #45
Yup. Ms. Toad Sep 2018 #46
70C is 158F... hlthe2b Sep 2018 #12
That translates to over 100 degrees in the car. yardwork Sep 2018 #35
In the sun, yes, but I wouldn't think that's so when it's in the garage. WillowTree Sep 2018 #48
And remember you can't be locked in a trunk California_Republic Sep 2018 #2
??? USALiberal Sep 2018 #5
there is a pull handle in the trunk. get locked in the trunk. feel around for it, pull it. Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #6
Yup. That's right. Safety release latch California_Republic Sep 2018 #8
You probably don't even have to feel around for it. GoCubsGo Sep 2018 #19
didn't know that. I do recall that its is plastic Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #29
Same for mine. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #38
Yep jberryhill Sep 2018 #67
Which is why you gotta tie people up first jberryhill Sep 2018 #63
"....soared to 70 degrees... " Typo? TreasonousBastard Sep 2018 #3
It's the UK, I believe they use celcius kcr Sep 2018 #15
158F to be precise. If that's the case, how long could he survive? TreasonousBastard Sep 2018 #27
Not long if that was the case. I think it probably got pretty toasty in there and he panicked. kcr Sep 2018 #68
All he needed was a giant, rabid, ravenous St. Bernard to top it all off. MrScorpio Sep 2018 #4
Probably 70 degrees celsius. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #10
Ah, yeah. That would be a problem. MrScorpio Sep 2018 #14
Weird. 70 degrees F. is pretty comfortable. Farmer-Rick Sep 2018 #9
On a 70 degree (F) day, temps in a closed car will rise rapidly to top 100 degrees: tblue37 Sep 2018 #32
But the car was in a garage and not out in the hot sun. Farmer-Rick Sep 2018 #75
This is why I'm a luddite with manual everything in my car ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #11
I have a truck with manual windows and locks MrScorpio Sep 2018 #16
And manual transmission? ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #18
Nah, I didn't go completely Luddite. MrScorpio Sep 2018 #25
I'm such a Luddite that my desktop is a flat rock with a hammer and chisel, and my tablet tblue37 Sep 2018 #33
Hmm . . . I'll have to inform my 28 year old daughter she's a Luddite. Ms. Toad Sep 2018 #47
I'm the opposite. Power windows/doors/ fancy radio, but HAD to have stick shift. NutmegYankee Sep 2018 #66
I understand. I want a car with a stick shift kcr Sep 2018 #69
Horn didn't work? Donkees Sep 2018 #13
Believe it or not, some people completely wig out in a crisis situation. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #39
... Rhiannon12866 Sep 2018 #64
The possibility of immersed wreck, is why I keep a Swiss Army glass breaker tool in my console hlthe2b Sep 2018 #17
Or, for a few bucks, on can get one of numerous sorts of "escape" tools. GoCubsGo Sep 2018 #24
That IS useful. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #40
I have that! EllieBC Sep 2018 #55
Mine is blue. GoCubsGo Sep 2018 #74
"Even if he had thought to read the owner's manual, it was too steamy in the car to see it." RockRaven Sep 2018 #20
+1 flying rabbit Sep 2018 #44
Not everyone keeps their manual in the car. WillowTree Sep 2018 #49
It belongs in glove compartment! JMHO. Anytime I want to review any more information ecstatic Sep 2018 #59
My manual doesn't fit in the glove compartment. WillowTree Sep 2018 #60
I can't read a damn thing any more without my reading glasses renate Sep 2018 #62
Owner's manual was in the house, according to a different article. sl8 Sep 2018 #73
Lawsuit on the horizon? sl8 Sep 2018 #26
Whenever I get a car, new or used, I read the owner's manual. MineralMan Sep 2018 #70
Did his horn not work? MineralMan Sep 2018 #28
electronics were off Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #31
A Caddilac,... Top line model but no "On Star" system to contact help ? magicarpet Sep 2018 #30
Since he drives so infrequently, he probably doesn't pay the $25/month (or more) to keep OnStar. WillowTree Sep 2018 #50
Get rid of that heap. Next time break a window. Not easy, but guy looks fit. Hoyt Sep 2018 #34
article says he tried... with both feet Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #57
I have a dead 2002 Lexus in my driveway. And the company to redo that driveway sinkingfeeling Sep 2018 #36
I won't buy a car that does not have manual door releases on the door. Blue_true Sep 2018 #37
As far as I know, they all do. You just have to know where it is on your car. WillowTree Sep 2018 #51
I buy the ones that have them on the doors. Blue_true Sep 2018 #53
I hope the prick that owns this one gets locked in and never gets out! yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2018 #41
omg Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #56
"Not right in the head and proud of it!" struggle4progress Sep 2018 #76
I keep a gadget in my car that cuts seat belts marybourg Sep 2018 #52
I call BS GulfCoast66 Sep 2018 #54
rescuers didn't want to damage car either. had him pop hood and they jumped car Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #61
cool story. nt ecstatic Sep 2018 #58
Crash, lose power, fire starts, have to dig around the floor for a hidden door release? No way. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #65
was going to run car and didn't open garage door first? KG Sep 2018 #71
Garage door was open, according to article. n/t sl8 Sep 2018 #72
Slow news day awesomerwb1 Sep 2018 #77
Guess I'm lucky to be driving an older model car Siwsan Sep 2018 #78
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
21. And you think it was nearly 160 in Cleveland Ohio?
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:55 PM
Sep 2018

What and nobody else noticed that it was more than 60 degrees higher than the highest recorded temperature?

Ms. Toad

(34,111 posts)
42. 70 degrees was taken from the original Washington Post article.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:16 PM
Sep 2018

Last time I checked, Washington still measures temperatures in fahrenheit.

The 75-year-old said he became trapped in his 2006 Cadillac XLR last month in Cleveland's 70-degree heat when the vehicle's key fob malfunctioned.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2018/09/10/i-cant-believe-im-alive-year-old-recalls-horrifying-day-trapped-hot-car/?utm_term=.69ffd2a0550b

I think the authors of the UK article didn't stop to think about temperature conversion, uttered "Yee Gods, that's hot," to themselves, and added the hyperbole (absent from the WAPO story).

Ms. Toad

(34,111 posts)
46. Yup.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:29 PM
Sep 2018

12 hours (or however long it was) at 158 degrees (in or out of the car), he would not be alive to tell his tale.

GoCubsGo

(32,095 posts)
19. You probably don't even have to feel around for it.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:51 PM
Sep 2018

If it's like the one in my car, the handle is made of glow-in-the-dark plastic.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
67. Yep
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:33 AM
Sep 2018

Always make sure you use handcuffs or zip ties before you put someone in the trunk. Otherwise, they can get out!

kcr

(15,320 posts)
68. Not long if that was the case. I think it probably got pretty toasty in there and he panicked.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 09:34 AM
Sep 2018

Poor guy. I'm glad his neighbor heard him.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
4. All he needed was a giant, rabid, ravenous St. Bernard to top it all off.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:34 PM
Sep 2018

70 degree heat?

What am I missing here?

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
32. On a 70 degree (F) day, temps in a closed car will rise rapidly to top 100 degrees:
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:23 PM
Sep 2018
“Children have died in cars with the temperature as low as 63 degrees. Basically the car becomes a greenhouse. At 70 degrees on a sunny day, after a half hour, the temperature inside a car is 104 degrees. After an hour, it can reach 113 degrees. "


http://heatkills.org/how-hot/

In a closed, stuffy garage, I bet the temperature would rise even faster inside the car.

Farmer-Rick

(10,216 posts)
75. But the car was in a garage and not out in the hot sun.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:35 PM
Sep 2018

I think there might have been a mistake about temperature. Otherwise It just doesn't make sense.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
11. This is why I'm a luddite with manual everything in my car
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:45 PM
Sep 2018

Because pulling lightly on a handle is just slightly more difficult than pushing a button, but when that button breaks...

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
18. And manual transmission?
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:51 PM
Sep 2018

I took my automatic out and replaced it with a manual because...luddite! (and because I wanted to mess around getting greasy).

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
33. I'm such a Luddite that my desktop is a flat rock with a hammer and chisel, and my tablet
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:26 PM
Sep 2018

is, well, a tablet, with lined paper and a pencil.

Just kidding.

Ms. Toad

(34,111 posts)
47. Hmm . . . I'll have to inform my 28 year old daughter she's a Luddite.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:33 PM
Sep 2018

After her car was totaled a couple of years ago, and we had to look for a new one, she wouldn't even consider an automatic.

(All of our cars were manual, until I had to buy the uncommon model I wanted used (they stopped making it) - and no manual ones were on the market. Then my spouse switched. So the lone holdout is our daughter. (Although, if I have the option on my next car, it will be manual.)

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
66. I'm the opposite. Power windows/doors/ fancy radio, but HAD to have stick shift.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 04:53 AM
Sep 2018

Won’t buy a vehicle without stick shift.

kcr

(15,320 posts)
69. I understand. I want a car with a stick shift
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 09:41 AM
Sep 2018

No one else does so boring automatic it is. One of these days I'm going to treat myself.

hlthe2b

(102,405 posts)
17. The possibility of immersed wreck, is why I keep a Swiss Army glass breaker tool in my console
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:50 PM
Sep 2018

Mine is like the yellow one in the video:

GoCubsGo

(32,095 posts)
24. Or, for a few bucks, on can get one of numerous sorts of "escape" tools.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:02 PM
Sep 2018

This particular one has a seat belt cutter. Some versions have a whistle and/or a mini flashlight on them, as well.

RockRaven

(15,019 posts)
20. "Even if he had thought to read the owner's manual, it was too steamy in the car to see it."
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:52 PM
Sep 2018

I call BS. Look, I get that he's likely embarrassed (for several reasons) about this whole episode, but c'mon.

First, he tacitly admits he *didn't even look* in the owner's manual. He spent 14 hours in the car, passing out twice, pissing in a shoe to avoid just wetting himself (and the car seat)... and didn't look up how to open the car door in the owner's manual. Not thinking to look in the owner's manual in the first 5 minutes can be chalked up to panicking. Not having the owner's manual in the car interior is bad planning. But supposedly having access to is but not TRYING to read it... for 14 hours? What... were... you... thinking????

Secondly, there is no way in hell the car interior was so steamy you *can't read* a piece of paper/book that you are holding in your hand. Not in a closed system like a car interior at stable temperatures and pressures. It may have been very humid, but the condensing humidity would gather on the surfaces, not be airborne. Say you didn't have your reading glasses. That I'd buy. Don't give me this "too steamy" business.

ecstatic

(32,737 posts)
59. It belongs in glove compartment! JMHO. Anytime I want to review any more information
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 12:36 AM
Sep 2018

I make it a point to put the book back, or better yet, just read the manual online.

That being said, this story stinks. Cadillacs don't have standard, easily accessible auto lock/unlock buttons like every other car?! Sounds like a huge security risk. Dumb and dangerous design!

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
60. My manual doesn't fit in the glove compartment.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 01:13 AM
Sep 2018

I suppose I could keep it in the trunk, but it wouldn't do me a whole lot of good there. One thing though, I did read it. All of it. I'm kind of compulsive about that. I read all of the inserts in all meds and stuff like that, too.

Of course the car has a manual lock/unlock mechanism. They all do. My guess is that it just looks different from what he's familiar with and he didn't recognize it.

renate

(13,776 posts)
62. I can't read a damn thing any more without my reading glasses
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 01:55 AM
Sep 2018

It’s ridiculous that not being able to read the small print could have killed me if I were in his situation, but it would have.

sl8

(13,931 posts)
73. Owner's manual was in the house, according to a different article.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 10:37 AM
Sep 2018
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2018/09/11/cleveland-cadillac-xlr-roadster/1260451002/

I agree, the 'too steamy to read" was an odd thing to say. For that matter, why point out that it didn't occur to him to read the manual, if the manual wasn't in the car.

Maybe he was still discombobulated when he gave the interview.

sl8

(13,931 posts)
26. Lawsuit on the horizon?
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:09 PM
Sep 2018

From https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2018/09/11/cleveland-cadillac-xlr-roadster/1260451002/


...

An investigation
Pyros' car could not be opened using the fire department's usual crowbars, so a fireman instructed Pyros to pop the hood, he said. Then, rescuers jumped-started the engine, opened the doors and freed Pyros. He spent the night in the hospital recovering.

Days later, he found in the owner's manual the directions to a mechanical door release handle on the floor next to each seat.

That brief instruction in the vast owner's manual is unacceptable to Pyros' lawyers who are investigating the case and, "Looking at all avenues of litigation. We are in touch with other attorneys who have pursued similar actions against General Motors," said John Meros, partner at Schulman, Schulman and Meros in Cleveland. Meros said his firm is working with another Cleveland law firm, Friedman, Domiano, and Smith on the incident.

"Automakers must have recognized that with all-electric features and the power failing, you’re locked inside your car," said Meros. "Why not put a warning sticker on the visor or dashboard that says if the power fails and in the event of entrapment, there is an escape lever on the floor?"

...



More at link.

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
70. Whenever I get a car, new or used, I read the owner's manual.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 09:52 AM
Sep 2018

I take it in the house with me, and read the damned thing. I'm always surprised by some feature or operation I didn't know about. With used cars, if the manual is missing, a search on ebay will turn one up right away for most cars.

On another note, though, the increasing complexity of even the most common features in cars is a little troubling to me. I don't actually want a car that asks me to push a button to open the door. If there's a button for that, the electronics or electrical component that actually pulls the lever will fail at some point. I don't need to reduce my effort in opening the door to that degree. That doesn't seem to be a desirable feature at all.

Still, I would have learned about the manual lever next to the seat when I read the manual. I always learn things I wouldn't know by doing that. Things like the nuances of the cruise control system, which has features most people never learn about.

These days, most cars also have a display of some sort on the dash, either touch screen or with a bunch of buttons. Most people never really learn how to use all the features of that display. They never read the owner's manual.

For me, learning as much as possible about a vehicle I own is something I want to do as soon as I can.

sinkingfeeling

(51,478 posts)
36. I have a dead 2002 Lexus in my driveway. And the company to redo that driveway
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:49 PM
Sep 2018

showed up last week. 2 guys were going to push it out of the way, but it was in Park and steering wheel was locked. Luckily, one of them knew there was a manual override for the gear shift and a way to unlock the wheel. I've had the car for 4 years and didn't know.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. I won't buy a car that does not have manual door releases on the door.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:54 PM
Sep 2018

That is the only "no deal" requirement that I have.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
53. I buy the ones that have them on the doors.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 12:09 AM
Sep 2018

If I have a relative who is a child on my car, I don't want that person to be having to figure out how to get out of the car in case I am unconscious and the car has a severe danger going on. Sounds ridiculous, but stuff like that happens.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
54. I call BS
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 12:20 AM
Sep 2018

He did not want to damage his car.

If nothing else he could kick out the side window.

But I guess maybe some people just freeze.

Demovictory9

(32,479 posts)
61. rescuers didn't want to damage car either. had him pop hood and they jumped car
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 01:16 AM
Sep 2018

rather than smash windows

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
65. Crash, lose power, fire starts, have to dig around the floor for a hidden door release? No way.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:22 AM
Sep 2018

Passengers are not going to know about such arrangements. You are supposed to read a brochure of safety instructions when you board a car, like boarding a jet?

I don't see how such an arrangement can be legal. I'm surprised nobody has died in a crash that way.

Siwsan

(26,298 posts)
78. Guess I'm lucky to be driving an older model car
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:05 PM
Sep 2018

I have a 2002 Saturn. The front seat doors have automatic locks that can be manually pulled up to unlock.

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