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FLIPPABLE: Paul Manafort!!!! (Original Post) RandySF Sep 2018 OP
Lol! HipChick Sep 2018 #1
Rachel has just been talking about that. pnwmom Sep 2018 #2
I'd Love to Hear Paul Sing!!! Stallion Sep 2018 #3
oooh, that made my skin crawl ToxMarz Sep 2018 #23
B.S... They don't want negative testimony to emerge. He admits guilt ..BUT Le Gaucher Sep 2018 #4
If he's already plead guilty to a crime YessirAtsaFact Sep 2018 #6
What is the penalty for keeping his mouth shut? Le Gaucher Sep 2018 #10
Find him in contempt I assume, and lock him up until they feel like letting him out. shanny Sep 2018 #11
And Orange pardons him of that too.. No? Le Gaucher Sep 2018 #12
Actually, I don't think so. shanny Sep 2018 #14
Why not do this earlier? Hope he spills something, though. Hoyt Sep 2018 #5
Waiting on Trump or for Fox/talk radio to pollute the jury pool so badly he's acquitted. YessirAtsaFact Sep 2018 #9
I'm sure the Mueller team is making it clear that state charges will be coming VMA131Marine Sep 2018 #7
Good one. oasis Sep 2018 #8
I believe Manafort never expected Trump to pardon him. Xolodno Sep 2018 #13
So far, Manafort wants a plea without cooperation, according to Rachel Blaukraut Sep 2018 #15
yep triron Sep 2018 #25
K&R ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #16
Why. The. Hell. should he die in jail for 45??? And, does he trust that the pardon is coming? lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #17
Polonium tea party for him and his family klook Sep 2018 #28
Doubt very much Manafort will rat onPutin's puppet. Not if he Enoki33 Sep 2018 #18
The stress of jail and solitary confinement can clear up someones perspective. Equinox Moon Sep 2018 #19
Bazinga! George II Sep 2018 #20
I am sure Manafort, the traitor, saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #21
Let's all sing like the biridies sing, tweet, tweet tweet, tweet, tweet! Dread Pirate Roberts Sep 2018 #22
Question is who is he flipping on to avoid prison? Its going to have to be someone big because he cstanleytech Sep 2018 #24
Sing it, manafort! Save your skin.. throw Cha Sep 2018 #26
Joyce Vance thinks this might be a PR strategy by Manafort Blaukraut Sep 2018 #27
Best theory yet. klook Sep 2018 #29
I wouldn't count on it. SergeStorms Sep 2018 #30
If Trump wants to he can pardon Manafort any time he pleases Izzy Blue Sep 2018 #31
If the perp won't flip, you must convict! RainCaster Sep 2018 #32
Nah .... flying-skeleton Sep 2018 #33
At first I thought that this thread was about flipping a congressional district. n/t Yavin4 Sep 2018 #34
As the mob would say....He's gonna sing like a boid! Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #35
Remember during the primaries when Manafort was named Funtatlaguy Sep 2018 #36
He will get a full pardone. sellitman Sep 2018 #37
I don't believe he'll ever testify Codeine Sep 2018 #38

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
2. Rachel has just been talking about that.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:02 PM
Sep 2018

Last edited Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:38 PM - Edit history (1)

She said ABC is the only one that has that story yet but she's taking it very seriously.

And the one they're saying he might be cooperating against is TRUMP himself.

HOWEVER:

The ABC report is that Mueller wants cooperation and Manafort's team is pushing back -- not that Manafort will be cooperating.

 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
4. B.S... They don't want negative testimony to emerge. He admits guilt ..BUT
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:12 PM
Sep 2018

But doesn't cooperate.. Trump pardons him.

No agony of a Trial.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
6. If he's already plead guilty to a crime
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:16 PM
Sep 2018

He can't use that to take the 5th amendment. He has already incriminated himself.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
9. Waiting on Trump or for Fox/talk radio to pollute the jury pool so badly he's acquitted.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:17 PM
Sep 2018

Didn't happen in trial #1.

VMA131Marine

(4,140 posts)
7. I'm sure the Mueller team is making it clear that state charges will be coming
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:16 PM
Sep 2018

meaning Manafort goes to jail even if Trump pardons him on the Federal offenses.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
13. I believe Manafort never expected Trump to pardon him.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:32 PM
Sep 2018

...he expected Pence to do the job once Trump was removed from office.

Now, it's gotten so toxic, Pence wouldn't be able to do it until he was voted out and had no consequences. And if he somehow succeeded in re-election, it would be much longer.

He needs to give Pence a reason to do so.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
15. So far, Manafort wants a plea without cooperation, according to Rachel
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:39 PM
Sep 2018

If I were Mueller, I'd take my chances and tell Manafort to fly a kite. Cooperate or no deal. Basta.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
17. Why. The. Hell. should he die in jail for 45??? And, does he trust that the pardon is coming?
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:51 PM
Sep 2018

THe way his head is exploding these days, he's likely forgotten who manafort is.

Probably worried frump will soon be denying anything and everything about Paul real soon. It will undermine the coverup story if 45 pardons Paul after buckets of denials......

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
19. The stress of jail and solitary confinement can clear up someones perspective.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:51 PM
Sep 2018

It seems to be working. Good for America. Let the truth flow.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
21. I am sure Manafort, the traitor,
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:05 PM
Sep 2018

has no loyalty to anyone. Let him sing away in a Russian gulag, not a luxury federal prison. Send him home to his pal the tsar.

cstanleytech

(26,298 posts)
24. Question is who is he flipping on to avoid prison? Its going to have to be someone big because he
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:11 PM
Sep 2018

is also facing potential state charges so if he wants to really avoid going to either federal or state prison he has to have a really big fish to offer up as a sacrifice.
The next question is does the fish he has to offer the type that is likely to employee assassins or have a business partner that has a history of doing so?

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
27. Joyce Vance thinks this might be a PR strategy by Manafort
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:29 PM
Sep 2018




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Who leaked supposed Manafort plea negotiations? Not Mueller. And a defendant who wants a deal wouldn’t risk derailing it. Perhaps Manafort is running a PR strategy, not a legal one, hoping there’s a pardon at the end of the rainbow if Trump gets worried he might cooperate.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
30. I wouldn't count on it.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:27 PM
Sep 2018

He's in his "send Trump a message" mode. I believe he knows a lot about the Russian/Trump conspiracy, and is just refreshing Trump's mind about that. If Manafort cooperates with the Mueller investigation I'd be gobsmacked.

 

Izzy Blue

(282 posts)
31. If Trump wants to he can pardon Manafort any time he pleases
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:27 PM
Sep 2018

Even if Manafort makes a deal tomorrow and it includes him flipping Trump could pardon him on the spot even before he speaks with Mueller.
If Trump knows that Manafort has incriminating info/evidence on him I don't see him letting Manafort flip.

RainCaster

(10,884 posts)
32. If the perp won't flip, you must convict!
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:43 PM
Sep 2018

He can spend the rest of his life in a criminal level prison. No country club pokey for that bastid - he needs to experience the full measure of what happens to a treasonous lying cheeting scum.

flying-skeleton

(697 posts)
33. Nah ....
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:44 PM
Sep 2018

He just wants to make a deal (pleading guilty to some charges) WITHOUT cooperating with Mueller against Trump.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
35. As the mob would say....He's gonna sing like a boid!
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:49 PM
Sep 2018

Maybe he heard what Woodward wrote that Trump really thought of him and said about him behind his back.

Funtatlaguy

(10,879 posts)
36. Remember during the primaries when Manafort was named
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:07 AM
Sep 2018

Trumps Campaign Manager......
Maybe it’s not right to stereotype somebody.....
But, one look at him and I said this guy is in organized crime...
And when he spoke it confirmed it....
Then the whole Ukraine connection and the change made to the RNC platform....

How and why did this nation and the GOP leadership not see the same things I did then?

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
38. I don't believe he'll ever testify
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:58 PM
Sep 2018

to anything that would hurt The Orangutan. Just not buying the hype.

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