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It looks like he's about to sing, per ABC!!!
HipChick
(25,485 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:38 PM - Edit history (1)
She said ABC is the only one that has that story yet but she's taking it very seriously.
And the one they're saying he might be cooperating against is TRUMP himself.
HOWEVER:
The ABC report is that Mueller wants cooperation and Manafort's team is pushing back -- not that Manafort will be cooperating.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)ToxMarz
(2,169 posts)At first I thought I saw Paul Singer (Vulture Debt Capitalist)
Le Gaucher
(1,547 posts)But doesn't cooperate.. Trump pardons him.
No agony of a Trial.
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)He can't use that to take the 5th amendment. He has already incriminated himself.
Le Gaucher
(1,547 posts)What the heck can the prosecution do.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Le Gaucher
(1,547 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)But that's just a guess.
Probably the better alternative is for the states (and there are plenty) to go after him:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/paul-manafort-will-likely-go-to-jail-if-trump-pardons-him-thanks-to-a-lone-holdout-juror.html
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Didn't happen in trial #1.
VMA131Marine
(4,140 posts)meaning Manafort goes to jail even if Trump pardons him on the Federal offenses.
oasis
(49,389 posts)Xolodno
(6,395 posts)...he expected Pence to do the job once Trump was removed from office.
Now, it's gotten so toxic, Pence wouldn't be able to do it until he was voted out and had no consequences. And if he somehow succeeded in re-election, it would be much longer.
He needs to give Pence a reason to do so.
Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)If I were Mueller, I'd take my chances and tell Manafort to fly a kite. Cooperate or no deal. Basta.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)THe way his head is exploding these days, he's likely forgotten who manafort is.
Probably worried frump will soon be denying anything and everything about Paul real soon. It will undermine the coverup story if 45 pardons Paul after buckets of denials......
klook
(12,157 posts)is Manafort's biggest concern.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)wants to stay healthy.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)It seems to be working. Good for America. Let the truth flow.
George II
(67,782 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)has no loyalty to anyone. Let him sing away in a Russian gulag, not a luxury federal prison. Send him home to his pal the tsar.
Dread Pirate Roberts
(1,896 posts)cstanleytech
(26,298 posts)is also facing potential state charges so if he wants to really avoid going to either federal or state prison he has to have a really big fish to offer up as a sacrifice.
The next question is does the fish he has to offer the type that is likely to employee assassins or have a business partner that has a history of doing so?
Cha
(297,323 posts)fuckhead Fraud to the reality wolves.
Blaukraut
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Who leaked supposed Manafort plea negotiations? Not Mueller. And a defendant who wants a deal wouldnt risk derailing it. Perhaps Manafort is running a PR strategy, not a legal one, hoping theres a pardon at the end of the rainbow if Trump gets worried he might cooperate.
klook
(12,157 posts)As usual, Professor Joyce Vance is the smartest one in the room.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)He's in his "send Trump a message" mode. I believe he knows a lot about the Russian/Trump conspiracy, and is just refreshing Trump's mind about that. If Manafort cooperates with the Mueller investigation I'd be gobsmacked.
Izzy Blue
(282 posts)Even if Manafort makes a deal tomorrow and it includes him flipping Trump could pardon him on the spot even before he speaks with Mueller.
If Trump knows that Manafort has incriminating info/evidence on him I don't see him letting Manafort flip.
RainCaster
(10,884 posts)He can spend the rest of his life in a criminal level prison. No country club pokey for that bastid - he needs to experience the full measure of what happens to a treasonous lying cheeting scum.
flying-skeleton
(697 posts)He just wants to make a deal (pleading guilty to some charges) WITHOUT cooperating with Mueller against Trump.
Yavin4
(35,442 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Maybe he heard what Woodward wrote that Trump really thought of him and said about him behind his back.
Funtatlaguy
(10,879 posts)Trumps Campaign Manager......
Maybe its not right to stereotype somebody.....
But, one look at him and I said this guy is in organized crime...
And when he spoke it confirmed it....
Then the whole Ukraine connection and the change made to the RNC platform....
How and why did this nation and the GOP leadership not see the same things I did then?
sellitman
(11,607 posts)Why would he flip?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)to anything that would hurt The Orangutan. Just not buying the hype.