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'They would've lost them anyway': Trump comforts farmers losing farms due to tariffs
Kerry Eleveld
Daily Kos Staff
Wednesday September 12, 2018 · 4:17 PM EDT
There's just no words for how incomprehensibly out of touch Donald Trump is with the havoc he and his trade policies are wreaking on farmers. Here's what Trump told a local KELO reporter in South Dakota last week when he was asked for comforting words for those farmers at risk of losing their livelihoods because of Trump's trade war.
President Donald Trump: "Well, they would've lost them anyway because they were being hurt so badly by the trade barriers. We will tell you they are going to be in a very good position soon."
That's the latest version of "don't blame me for that"something Trump said last month at a rally where he was grousing about all the soybean talk of late. Surely, South Dakota farmers are soothed by Trump's concern, which came just hours after Trump announced that he might slap tariffs on another $267 billion worth of Chinese goods (on top of a previously promised $200 billion), significantly escalating an already fraught trade dispute with China.
But don't worry, Trump says, they'll be in "a very good position soon" ... after they lose their farms.
What's even more difficult to believe than Trump's callousness about the pain he actually elected to inflict on farm country, is the notion that all's well that ends well appears to be a talking point the White House has embraced on the tariffs. Trumps sentiment in South Dakota is almost exactly the same as the one Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders advanced in April when she said farmers' "little bit of short-term pain" would all be worth it based on the "long-term success" that would manifest due to Trump's tariffs. They very clearly have zero idea that "long-term" gains mean nothing to people who have already been forced out of business.
Last month, a Nebraska soybean farmer remarked of Trump's tariff policies, "He's gonna kill us."
Not only is Trump gonna kill their family business, he doesn't give a crap.
Ohiogal
(32,006 posts)How any farmer can support this hideous orange blob is beyond me. I hope a lot of them are getting their eyes opened.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)His classmates said that he would never admit that he was wrong regardless of the proof that he was confronted with. As a result he had very few close friends. The Republicans at the top levels knew that he was an immoral, amoral creature and made a pack with the devil. Republicans have long ago put winning at any cost above the welfare of the nation. As Obama recently said Trump is a symptom of the immorality that has destroyed the soul of the Republican Party. It began in earnest with Nixon and has intensified with each election cycle. Their campaigns of character assassination were referred to as dirty tricks when they should have been condemned as outright assaults on the constitution as corruption of the basic morality. There is only one solution and that is their total and absolute destruction as the enemy of the Republic.
irisblue
(32,982 posts)Bettie
(16,110 posts)they should shut up about it. They CHOSE this outcome by voting for him and if they still support him, they support this outcome.
They made their beds and now its time to lie in the goddamn thing.
Nasruddin
(754 posts)Galatians 6 :
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
(The whole chapter is quite useful and appropriate - see ye for yourselves, and make ye use of it
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)being rewarded in heaven. I always feel sorry for embattled farmers, and my loins are slightly wrung even for these atrocity-enablers, but only slightly. Mainly thinking of the children whose lives will be very different, wherever they take place.
ornotna
(10,803 posts)You reap what you sow.
LuvLoogie
(7,011 posts)At least Hillary didn't get in. Sure dodged a bullet there...
KCDebbie
(664 posts)The US can't afford to provide basic healthcare for ALL it's citizens but we can afford to traumatize young brown children for $770/day! The for-profit prison and human warehousing industry is making $ hand over fist under this President. I wonder just how much stock in this industry the President, AG Sessions and DHS Sec Nielsen own...
Sick republican ba$tards!
dawg day
(7,947 posts)to ICE to pay for interning all those kids. Jesus.
KCDebbie
(664 posts)and SNAP benefits will need to be cut to make up for budget shortfalls (that result from those monster tax cuts given to the wealthy last year but the repubs won't mention that part!)
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)for this purpose!
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)I thought that Congress had to approve the appropriation of funds this large.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)DownriverDem
(6,229 posts)When you lose your farm, you lose everything. Let's see how these desperate folks react now.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)but for now, they seem to remain comfortable with cognitive dissonance.
"Well, son, I know living under this freeway ain't what we expected, but losing the old homestead is still better than
voting with the libtards..."
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)geardaddy
(24,931 posts)"No bagel! No bagel! No bagel! No bagel!"
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marble falls
(57,106 posts)Javaman
(62,530 posts)"he's right we would have lost our homes and farms anyway, because we are just dumb fucks! He tells it like it is! He's still got my vote!...but I won't have a home to register as my voting address...no matter, I'll still vote for him!!!"
DBoon
(22,369 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)He he's literally never made a mistake.
-Bankruptcies? Smart business move!
-3000 dead in Puerto Rico? Their fault!
-Multiple trump campaign officials guilty of crimes? Witch hunt!
His base is irredeemably stupid.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)can't expect him to change.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)When you launder money...or even if you don't....you build a casino, get huge constriction loan from a bank, pocket the loans ( park it in a hard to trace LLC, for example...cohen was good at that and for that) run the casino with dirty money, and pay out winnings to those who gambled with dirty money.
Business loans at Trump/Kushner level are usually due at some date down the road, not on the monthly rate we suckers pay for our houses.
That date comes due, you can even get another loan and shove the date back again, cause the bank is now "invested" in you for a huge first loan. so that make a 2nd loan.
Pocket that loan too.
use the 'successful" business as collateral for construction loan from yet another bank. they don't know about all the loans you have out, cause banks are secretive that way.
eventually the piper wants to be paid. declare bankruptcy, end up paying 10 cents on the dollar.
trump did just that, quite a few times, with casinos, hotels, etc.
He ended up unable to borrow from most of the banks, of course, but not Deutsche Bank. You know, the one that SCOTUS Judge Kennedy's son worked at in the loan dept???. Eventually even that bank got caught laundering money, but apparently Trump was not named.
By that time, he had developed other ways of getting money.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)It presumes that he really is worth what he claims. There is credible information from firms that assess the net value of privately held entities that the organization is not worth close to what is claimed.
So, all this pocketing of loans should have resulted in a massive increase in net worth.
From what he inherited, his claimed new worth is already <50% of what it would have been had he done nothing but invest the money in broad based index funds.
The scheme you describe suggests a net worth HIGHER than doing nothing, not lower.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)working their asses off! And, Black Lung NOT covered by tRUMPcare!
Good luck to those who fell for the KKKon....swallow your pride and VOTE to check and balance these RePUBICS!
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)After pissing on America's farmers, republican misleader heads for the golf course. Again. And again. And again. Sick.
* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief
mopinko
(70,129 posts)he does not have the authority to do this shit on his own. i know it wont matter, but people should know that he is exceeding his constitutional authority.
i havent heard a peep about this.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)about putting coal miners out of business, but never playing how she planned to spend large dollars in retraining? This quote is much more egregious.
Queue the Blood on the Plow song.
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)At 1 point 'rain on the scarecrow' becomes 'blood on the scarecrow'.
And refrain 'at one point this land fed a nation'.
IronLionZion
(45,457 posts)is what he needs to say after the big blue wave wipes his party out this November
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They will vote for republicans even after they lose their farms to foreclosure. Democrats need to worry about helping most of the country, farmers are just going to vote like fucking idiots and nothing will change that.
IronLionZion
(45,457 posts)They've lost immigrant labor and foreign buyers for many crops so we might be able to pick off enough voters in enough swing states to make a difference in the house and senate.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The farmers that I meet in Florida, other than the Black ones, are all NRA loving idiots.
blue-wave
(4,356 posts)I'm not a psychologist, but I don't need to be one to recognize that this guy has some serious personality disorders, as does most of the GOP.
BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)Read the traits of a sociopath...they all fit this description. The moron is a malignant narcissist as well. He has severe personality disorders and they get worse if not addressed. He has had this problem his entire life. Therapy may have helped a little if he had it while younger but these disorders are mostly not treatable.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)He doesnt give a shit about anything or anybody.
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)it's all about him and placing blame on others.
I just hate him. He is just too dangerous and needs to be put away for a very long time. 3000 people died because of his negligence and he wouldn't care if more people died. either.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Trump is all that matters in his stunted lizard brain!
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)is their livelihood and the only thing they own. He lives in a world where he controls any number of entities, and losing one isn't important. He borrows more money and goes on to the next thing. In his world, aside from the fact that no one else is quite real, there are no permanent consequences to his behavior. On top of that, he expects all around him to grovel to his every wish and demand, and returns zero loyalty to them.
And yeah, if those farmers still support Trump then they get zero sympathy from me.
Docreed2003
(16,863 posts)Trump has no ability to comprehend what these farmers are facing because he's never had to do so. Sprinkle in his complete inability to empathize on any level and this response makes total sense in Trump's mind
Bromwell
(123 posts)is so much stronger than I personally ever realized. I never gave it much thought to be honest, just always figured many people just hate, many people are racist...but what has dawned on me recently is how POWERFUL those feelings must run in some people. Its THE most important thing in these deplorable's lives. The Hate is more important than their own lives it seems.
Think about it.
How else can you explain this constant voting against their own self interests? I mean Trump was pointing a gun right in their faces during the compaign with his stances on trade, medical insurance, the environment...on taxes. A big gun Dirty Harry style right in the faces of these people...go ahead vote Trump and Trump WILL blast you right in the face...and what did they do?
The voted for Trump, they gladly pulled the lever for the guy pointing the gun RIGHT in their face. Now after the trigger on the gun is pulled right in their faces they are surprised?
Because we hate that b*tch Hillary
Because we hate those brown Mexicans
Because we hate those coastal elites
We hate those libs so much we are willing to get shot in the face by an orange baffoon...
Geniuses
Initech
(100,081 posts)No matter how bad it gets god forbid they vote for someone who doesn't have the magic (R) next to their name.
Bayard
(22,100 posts)Everyday people (I fall in that category. Not trying to make this about me, but giving personal examples).
The county has been working on putting a new drain pipe across the end of our driveway to solve big drainage problems. The boss said they are having to charge people much more now because of the cost of the steel pipe, due to tariffs.
My blacksmith has to charge more because the price of steel horseshoes has skyrocketed (thank goodness my horses go shoeless).
Its not big corporate farms that will go under, its everyday family farmers. tRump doesn't empathize with anyone, but certainly not farmers. I'll bet he doesn't even know what a soybean is.....
blitzen
(4,572 posts)Thrill
(19,178 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)You lose bigly.
lpbk2713
(42,759 posts)You knew he was a snake the first time you voted for him.
And you expected something different? You lost your
grandparents' farm because you wanted to vote for this
worthless scum. He's not only a liar but he's a traitor as
well. He would rather be friends with Russians than with
American farmers.
Different Drummer
(7,621 posts)Besides, they knew the job (voting for Trump) was dangerous when they took it.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Always get screwed over by him the worst. Maybe others will realize he's a serial liar now , and his claims are usually the opposite of the truth. He can't ever be trusted , and like his statement now claiming the death total wasn't 3,000 , again the opposite of the truth. He knows it was , but has to claim otherwise to fit his make believe image he has of himself, and projects it onto others. The easily conned ones , and dumb ones will still believe him. Just wait because the economy is headed for another collapse from what he and the kgop have done , and they know its coming soon. The farmers along with everyone else will again be hit really hard , and have problems riding this one out.
ffr
(22,670 posts)Hope these tяump supporting farmers spread the word.
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)... that he never cared about these farmers in the first place, he still blows smoke up their asses that they will be magically saved by him... sometime in the future. After they've already lost everything. And they'll probably buy his shit, again, because they did before, and because they've been trained through talk radio and FOX to mistrust Democrats.
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uponit7771
(90,347 posts)hunter
(38,317 posts)... in other words, the only people Trump cares about.
The former farmers won't even be able to find work as hired hands on lands they used to own; those jobs will be done by disposable immigrant workers, the kind of people who can be sent back home when they're all worn out or start demanding just working conditions.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)so maybe he thinks thats true for other people's businesses, too
enki23
(7,789 posts)I grew up a farm kid in KELO-land, as they used to style their broadcast area. The area around where I lived voted 80+%. Republican. It's time they were more directly confronted with the consequences of being the shitheads they've always been.
Oh right. No, not all of them. Just, almost all of them. Will the consequences also fall on the undeserving? Of course they will. They always do. But, fuck it. The fact that some of the deserving are going to get hurt too, for once, tickles the hell out of my schadenfreude centers. I'm not sorry.
mahina
(17,669 posts)Asshole.