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Kavanaugh accused of sexual misconduct UPDATED (Original Post) RandySF Sep 2018 OP
Edit: Thanks for the update Randy. JHan Sep 2018 #1
Will it matter? DownriverDem Sep 2018 #38
Good Thing He's Not A Democrat LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #2
Valid observation there. :( BootinUp Sep 2018 #10
Yes, damn. I was really hoping it wasn't a sex thing. Hortensis Sep 2018 #28
Might be Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #51
I don't think that's accurate True Dough Sep 2018 #3
What sources did you see? I googled Kavanaugh and didn't get anything related to sex misconduct bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #4
NY Times RandySF Sep 2018 #5
Here's the story to it. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #6
The sad fact is none of this should even matter because there were Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #52
I hope its wrong ScratchCat Sep 2018 #7
part of the confirmation process involves an background investigation conducted by the fbi. unblock Sep 2018 #16
yeah just ask Ciscernos dsc Sep 2018 #21
charged, tried, and convicted for lying? lemme guess -- democrat, right? unblock Sep 2018 #23
He plead but yes a Democrat dsc Sep 2018 #25
Cisneros wasn't in high school! LeftInTX Sep 2018 #47
If he lied though it would have been recent dsc Sep 2018 #48
High School? Oh dear.. If it is anything short of rape, I think this may be hard to make relevent hlthe2b Sep 2018 #8
I don't think Feinstein would get the FBI involved over nothing RandySF Sep 2018 #9
But DiFi already stated ScratchCat Sep 2018 #13
Working real hard. Kingofalldems Sep 2018 #17
Fienstein stated the author didn't want to be named. LanternWaste Sep 2018 #18
"Little Kroshka." Igel Sep 2018 #49
Stop wringing your hands leftynyc Sep 2018 #34
Clearly the letter writer DID act to make the matter known to the Congress karynnj Sep 2018 #37
what in the world are you worried about? qazplm135 Sep 2018 #46
This sounds like an item Kavanaugh should have.... magicarpet Sep 2018 #66
Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #14
That's what I was thinking. If it's high school it would have to be really, really serious to make Vinca Sep 2018 #11
If he was 18 and she was not, that could be different alfredo Sep 2018 #42
Probably doesn't matter madville Sep 2018 #59
what if it's an abortion? Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #12
That... would be interesting... hlthe2b Sep 2018 #15
But that.... would be different. White boy with good creds - perhaps an affluenza defense. erronis Sep 2018 #19
he would be blistered by the heat Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #22
Name me a good repuglicon that doesn't have many indiscretions under his belt.... erronis Sep 2018 #24
I agree, if just some serious necking in the back seat of a car then Fla Dem Sep 2018 #41
I really hope this isn't TheFarseer Sep 2018 #58
I'm still amazed that one of the chief molesters on the SCOTUS is still sitting there erronis Sep 2018 #20
which one is that? samir.g Sep 2018 #53
lol...Clarence Thomas. nt Catherine Vincent Sep 2018 #65
High school? Mmm... IluvPitties Sep 2018 #26
They still don't get to lie about leftynyc Sep 2018 #36
Republicans consider sexual misconduct as a positve avebury Sep 2018 #27
McConnell had a motive for withholding 1,000's of Kavanaugh documents Zambero Sep 2018 #29
This can only help Kavanaugh. Like W's late DWI report and admission. Freethinker65 Sep 2018 #30
An FBI investigation could lead to a delay in the vote. aikoaiko Sep 2018 #31
Except the FBI has already said that they're not going to investigate it. WillowTree Sep 2018 #60
Oh well. I didn't hear that the FBI declined. aikoaiko Sep 2018 #68
Washington Post is reporting this, john657 Sep 2018 #71
Two things to consider: TexasTowelie Sep 2018 #32
Another thing to consider RandySF Sep 2018 #33
Money laundering. He paid her off. joshcryer Sep 2018 #35
But as always, IOKIYAAR* Still In Wisconsin Sep 2018 #39
It didn't matter with Long Dong Silver, this will matter even less. catbyte Sep 2018 #40
Georgetown Prep class of 1983 DeminPennswoods Sep 2018 #43
But what did he disclose in background checks? RandySF Sep 2018 #44
Probably never even thought whatever it was DeminPennswoods Sep 2018 #45
Hmmm let me think about this one mercuryblues Sep 2018 #50
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #55
Bringing up a high school event would be laughable calguy Sep 2018 #54
What if he raped a girl and got her pregnant? honest.abe Sep 2018 #57
What if he didn't? calguy Sep 2018 #62
I doubt DF would send to FBI if it was just a case of high school shenanigans. honest.abe Sep 2018 #63
The FBI has said they have no intention of investigating this letter, john657 Sep 2018 #67
Well at least they didnt dismiss it entirely. honest.abe Sep 2018 #69
They did pretty much dismiss it, john657 Sep 2018 #70
Statute of limitations may be the reason they didnt investigate. honest.abe Sep 2018 #72
Or . . . MichMary Sep 2018 #56
Oh, for crying out loud. We have statute of limitation laws for a reason. LAS14 Sep 2018 #61
I don't get it Catherine Vincent Sep 2018 #64

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. Yes, damn. I was really hoping it wasn't a sex thing.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:54 PM
Sep 2018

At least please don't let it be one of those he says/she says things. Please let her have reported it at least to the school. A suppressed police record would be great, but not as great as accepting a bribe or something Republicans would have more difficulty with.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
51. Might be
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:13 PM
Sep 2018


dear god if there was a WHIFF of a hint that he EVER commited perjury over anything he would not even get a hearing.

True Dough

(17,306 posts)
3. I don't think that's accurate
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:28 PM
Sep 2018

I believe the stories are stating that Kavanaugh contacted former Judge Alex Kozinski, who was accused of sexual misconduct by multiple women.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/13/politics/kavanaugh-kozinski/index.html

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
6. Here's the story to it.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:34 PM
Sep 2018
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/13/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-dianne-feinstein.html?action=click&module=In%20Other%20News&pgtype=Homepage&action=click&module=Latest&pgtype=Homepage

WASHINGTON — The senior Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee referred information involving Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh, President Trump’s nominee to the Supreme Court, to federal investigators on Thursday, but the senator declined to make public what the matter involved.

Two officials familiar with the matter say the incident involved possible sexual misconduct between Judge Kavanaugh and a woman when they were both in high school.

The statement by Senator Dianne Feinstein of California came a week before the Judiciary Committee is to vote on his nomination. “I have received information from an individual concerning the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court,” Ms. Feinstein said in a statement. “That individual strongly requested confidentiality, declined to come forward or press the matter further, and I have honored that decision. I have, however, referred the matter to federal investigative authorities.”

The information came in a letter, which was first sent to the office of Representative Anna Eshoo, Democrat of California, and included the allegation of sexual misconduct toward the letter’s author, a person familiar with the letter confirmed.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
52. The sad fact is none of this should even matter because there were
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:15 PM
Sep 2018

dozens of reasons he should not get this far.

A democrat cant get a hearing with zero wrongdoing, a con who lies to the committee can and will be confirmed.

America is broken, very badly, and the result will be immediate harm and death to women and others.

ScratchCat

(1,990 posts)
7. I hope its wrong
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:40 PM
Sep 2018

or we just shot ourselves in the foot.

A decades-old state matter isn't the business of the FBI. There has to be something else here that rises to a federal level.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
16. part of the confirmation process involves an background investigation conducted by the fbi.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:53 PM
Sep 2018

they're not looking to prosecute him for an old state-level crime.

they're primarily just looking to properly evaluate him for the job he's applying for.

that said, lying on the fbi background check forms is indeed a federal offense.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
21. yeah just ask Ciscernos
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:06 PM
Sep 2018

He lied on his prior to becoming HUD secretary and was convicted of that. He paid a fine and his career was over.

LeftInTX

(25,382 posts)
47. Cisneros wasn't in high school!
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:23 PM
Sep 2018

The incident happened in the late 80's a few years before he was HUD Secretary and during one his mayoral campaigns.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
48. If he lied though it would have been recent
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:27 PM
Sep 2018

the theory here is that he lied on his backround check.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
8. High School? Oh dear.. If it is anything short of rape, I think this may be hard to make relevent
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:40 PM
Sep 2018

given the long time span since occurrence. Not that I'd discount, of course, but that was a very long time ago.

ScratchCat

(1,990 posts)
13. But DiFi already stated
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:50 PM
Sep 2018

that the author didn't want to press the matter further. So why did she make that statement and forward it to the FBI? I don't feel good about this. This looks like they couldn't stop him with legitimate criticism, so they are dredging up something from... high school?

Please be wrong and be about perjury. Please.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
18. Fienstein stated the author didn't want to be named.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:02 PM
Sep 2018

Not "dredging up," little Kroshka; but rather, sanding relevant information to the FBI so they may continue Kavanaugh's background check.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
49. "Little Kroshka."
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:59 PM
Sep 2018

"Little Crumb"?

Or are you trying a bit too hard for "Koshka" ("she-cat&quot ?

Might be relevant; might just be "let's catch a few hertz on the news cycle with something unproveable". With the NYT's "we heard something from somebody who heard something from something from somebody who said the letter said something, but what, um, not sure."

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
34. Stop wringing your hands
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 04:26 PM
Sep 2018

Part of being a supreme court justice is being heavily vetted by the feds. That means he was questioned by them. If he lied about something from his past, he could get charged with a crime. Sen Feinstein wouldn't have held up the nomination over bullshit.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
37. Clearly the letter writer DID act to make the matter known to the Congress
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 04:35 PM
Sep 2018

She SENT a letter. That implies she does think it should matter. She can not take it forward in a court of law because the statute of limitations ended long ago.

I think Feinstein handled this perfectly. I assume before it goes forward, there the accuser would have to be willing to be public.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
46. what in the world are you worried about?
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:13 PM
Sep 2018

He's already committed perjury and no one on their side cares, so why would you hope it's perjury??

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
66. This sounds like an item Kavanaugh should have....
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 09:04 PM
Sep 2018

..... mentioned on his previous court confirmations years ago and more recently for this Supreme Court FBI background vetting check.

If he lied back when and more recently it could very well derail his confirmation. The more lies they can nail this guy on the better. He does not belong on the highest court of the land, like trDump trash like this makes a mockery of our system and degrades the very foundations of a vibrant Democracy.

Response to RandySF (Reply #9)

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
11. That's what I was thinking. If it's high school it would have to be really, really serious to make
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:47 PM
Sep 2018

a difference decades later. I'm not sure if a juvenile record could even be brought up.

madville

(7,412 posts)
59. Probably doesn't matter
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:13 PM
Sep 2018

Age of consent in Maryland is 16 and the older partner must be at least 4 years older for it to be a crime.

14 is the legal age if their partner is less than 4 years older, so a 17 year old can have sex with a 14 year old for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States#Maryland

Only like 12 states have 18 as the age of consent and most allow for a 2-4 year age difference regardless.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
22. he would be blistered by the heat
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:23 PM
Sep 2018

An abortion for his indiscretion, while likely to overturn Roe v. Wade?

erronis

(15,303 posts)
24. Name me a good repuglicon that doesn't have many indiscretions under his belt....
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:30 PM
Sep 2018

Boys will be boys.

And apparently the repuglicon female senators will let this slide (with a bit of grease.)

Fla Dem

(23,691 posts)
41. I agree, if just some serious necking in the back seat of a car then
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:20 PM
Sep 2018

it's a non-starter. But if rape, then entirely different story. But as other have said, why would Sen Feinstein escalate to FBI if a trivial high school sexcapade?

TheFarseer

(9,323 posts)
58. I really hope this isn't
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:56 PM
Sep 2018

A case where he was 18 and had sex with his girlfriend who was 17. Something like that would be so weak.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
20. I'm still amazed that one of the chief molesters on the SCOTUS is still sitting there
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:06 PM
Sep 2018

silently supporting the RW agendas.

I think I read that he might have croaked a phrase or two in the last year once his black-robed protector kicked his bucket.

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
26. High school? Mmm...
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:48 PM
Sep 2018

As other posters have said, if it's not gender violence or rape, it won't matter one bit. People do stupid shit in high school, even more so when there was little awareness about the importance of consent.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
36. They still don't get to lie about
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 04:27 PM
Sep 2018

it while being questioned by the feds in order to get a lifetime appointment to the high court. That's still a crime and would have occurred in the last few months since his nomination.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
27. Republicans consider sexual misconduct as a positve
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:48 PM
Sep 2018

consideration when selecting people for higher office.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
29. McConnell had a motive for withholding 1,000's of Kavanaugh documents
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 04:07 PM
Sep 2018

And his motive was not an honorable one. Plenty of evidence with which to sink this nomination. Still, much of it is surfacing.

Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)
30. This can only help Kavanaugh. Like W's late DWI report and admission.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 04:13 PM
Sep 2018

Even if he beat and then forced his girlfriend to have an abortion, it really would not matter to those confident he will rule from the bench the way he is instructed to. He does not seem like an independent type of guy. He is bought and paid for...unlike Justice Roberts, though also very conservative, who does seem to at least take the US Constitution into consideration for his rulings.

Unless Kavanuagh pulls his name, the GOP will confirm him. They own him and he came cheap.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
31. An FBI investigation could lead to a delay in the vote.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 04:15 PM
Sep 2018

Which could be parlayed into something bigger to defeat Kav.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
60. Except the FBI has already said that they're not going to investigate it.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:27 PM
Sep 2018

So it pretty much dies right there.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
71. Washington Post is reporting this,
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 09:18 PM
Sep 2018

the only action the FBI took was to forward the letter to the WH for inclusion into Kavanaugh's background folder.

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
32. Two things to consider:
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 04:19 PM
Sep 2018

1. Did he cross state lines with the girl? If they were going to school in DC, then it would be quite easy to cross a state border with a minor.

2. There may not have been a sexual relationship occurring between the two. However, he might have "pimped" her out which would be even more morally repugnant than rape.

RandySF

(58,911 posts)
33. Another thing to consider
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 04:23 PM
Sep 2018

Did he lie on any background forms in 2018, when he was first nominated to the federal bench or went to work for Ken Starr?

catbyte

(34,403 posts)
40. It didn't matter with Long Dong Silver, this will matter even less.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:18 PM
Sep 2018

At least he and Clarence will have something to bond over, Despicable.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
43. Georgetown Prep class of 1983
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:36 PM
Sep 2018

This is an all-boys catholic school. It's 60-70k/year to attend with a heavy emphasis on religion as well as academics. Very preppy. I'm sure plenty of students are well-connected to the legal and political world of DC.

I would not be the least bit surprised if these boys felt entitled to any and all extracurricular activities when they went out on dates or if they felt entitled to take advantage of girls they met.

It's definitely old, but then again a grand jury report of catholic priest abuses going back to the 1950s is currently rocking the catholic church.

RandySF

(58,911 posts)
44. But what did he disclose in background checks?
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:45 PM
Sep 2018

Did he falsify statements when he went to work for Ken Starr, George W Bush or the Federal bench?

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
45. Probably never even thought whatever it was
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:50 PM
Sep 2018

he did was a crime. I don't think the FBI goes back to high school in its background investigations. If the letter writer didn't contact them, how would they know to go back that far?

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
50. Hmmm let me think about this one
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:12 PM
Sep 2018

While they were in high school? She got pregnant and her pushed her into an abortion? He has a secret kid out there because she refused to have an abortion, despite his demands?

As we know, people like Kavanaugh are only anti abortion when it doesn't affect them. When they have an unwanted pregnancy, they can't get to the Dr fast enough

The only moral abortion is my abortion

http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/anti-tales.shtml

calguy

(5,315 posts)
54. Bringing up a high school event would be laughable
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:32 PM
Sep 2018

to most of the country,including myself. I never committed any sexual misconduct in high school, but I sure thought about it. All the time.
If that's all they got on him we've lost the battle.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
57. What if he raped a girl and got her pregnant?
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:45 PM
Sep 2018

Im not claiming he did that but there are scenarios that would be relevant.

calguy

(5,315 posts)
62. What if he didn't?
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:46 PM
Sep 2018

All I'm saying is it looks like we're playing our last few cards. And those cards are usually Jokers.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
67. The FBI has said they have no intention of investigating this letter,
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 09:05 PM
Sep 2018

all they did was pass it on to the WH to have it included in Kavanaugh's background folder.

Sen. Grassley has already said that the confirmation vote is going ahead on the 20th.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
70. They did pretty much dismiss it,
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 09:17 PM
Sep 2018

if there was something to investigate, they would have investigate.

The author of the letter made it quite clear to Sen. Feinstein that she didn't want her name revealed, no further action taken on the letter.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
72. Statute of limitations may be the reason they didnt investigate.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 09:19 PM
Sep 2018

The fact they sent it on to be included in the official record indicates they think its legitimate.. imo.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
56. Or . . .
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:43 PM
Sep 2018

maybe she is of questionable mental stability, which is why DiFi has hung onto this letter since July, and why she is being so careful about respecting the confidentiality.

This kind of reminds me of some allegations against W, which got our hopes up and then turned out to be bullshit, because the woman was clearly mentally ill.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
61. Oh, for crying out loud. We have statute of limitation laws for a reason.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:29 PM
Sep 2018

I DO NOT support Kavanaugh. But neither do I support bringing up allegations from high school days for anyone.

Catherine Vincent

(34,490 posts)
64. I don't get it
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:57 PM
Sep 2018

This was how long ago and he's been a lawyer/judge for how long?

They should focus on his lying under oath instead.

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