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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,996 posts)
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 08:54 PM Sep 2018

Texas Farm Bureau stopping employees from wearing Nike apparel to work

The Texas Farm Bureau, the largest farm organization in Texas, told employees they are not permitted to wear Nike gear while working.

A spokesman for the bureau, Gene Hall, said in an email to employees obtained by KWTX on Friday that the company made the decision in efforts to avoid controversy.

“There is a wide range of viewpoints on the Nike controversy,” the email read. “Texas Farm Bureau and Affiliated Companies employees are asked to not wear Nike branded apparel while representing the companies.”

“We are choosing to remove our companies from this controversy by discontinuing the use of Nike branded apparel for business purposes,” the email continued. “The attire you choose on your own time is a personal matter.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/406872-texas-farm-bureau-stopping-employees-from-wearing-nike-apparel

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Texas Farm Bureau stopping employees from wearing Nike apparel to work (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2018 OP
Texas has become more of a Iliyah Sep 2018 #1
That's a bit of an exaggeration. TexasTowelie Sep 2018 #14
Here's the flaw in your argument. Solomon Sep 2018 #24
Until they went with the recent advertisement campaign I would agree with you that wearing Nike TexasTowelie Sep 2018 #25
This is getting ridiculous. northoftheborder Sep 2018 #2
That's some BS double-speak right there: "We're going to avoid taking a side by taking a side" RockRaven Sep 2018 #3
Unless they provide uniforms and shoes for the employees Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #4
Depends upon the terms of employment, but I suspect you are Sherman A1 Sep 2018 #5
I don't think so. TexasTowelie Sep 2018 #9
Actually Texas Farm Bureau can dictate what brands their employees can wear to work. TexasTowelie Sep 2018 #7
This is true. Unless an employer has an excusive bidded contract with a supplier dameatball Sep 2018 #8
Can you cite to any legal authority for your statements? onenote Sep 2018 #10
Of course. Virginia: Agency Procurement and Surplus Property Manual spells it out. Thanks. dameatball Sep 2018 #15
The Texas Farm Bureau is not a government agency. onenote Sep 2018 #20
Agreed. It's early and somehow I drifted over from a previous OP about Mississippi. Oh well. dameatball Sep 2018 #21
Yes. You and I actually are in agreement. I think the order of posts made things confusing onenote Sep 2018 #22
SW VA here. Live between two creeks and waiting to see what rolls down from NC and NE TN. dameatball Sep 2018 #23
Texas Farm Bureau isn't negotiating a contract for a supplier to provide uniforms though. TexasTowelie Sep 2018 #12
Texas Farm Bureau is not a government agency. They do not have the same procurement standards as dameatball Sep 2018 #16
You're correct. TexasTowelie Sep 2018 #18
Yes, you are correct as well. Private and state agencies can specify dress codes. The only dameatball Sep 2018 #19
Give it back to Mexico. johnp3907 Sep 2018 #6
What a bunch of butthurt, triggered snowflake candy-assed babies. NightWatcher Sep 2018 #11
The stupidity is getting out of control. lpbk2713 Sep 2018 #13
I think sometimes people confuse organizations with state agencies. dameatball Sep 2018 #17
Does Nike sell undergarments? NotASurfer Sep 2018 #26
It certainly does. Nike Pro and Nike Pro Combat compression shorts, for example. mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2018 #29
So companies should just keep making the list longer. greymattermom Sep 2018 #27
I expect this is a bad move Horse with no Name Sep 2018 #28

TexasTowelie

(112,204 posts)
14. That's a bit of an exaggeration.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:25 PM
Sep 2018

Texas Farm Bureau is a private employer setting a dress code policy which is perfectly legal as long as it isn't discriminatory or places an undue burden on a certain class of employees.

I guess that an employee could try to sue, but why would anyone risk losing their job hoping for a hypothetical payday from a settlement? I doubt that the employee would find any attorney willing to take the case and since Texas Farm Bureau also provides insurance coverage they have plenty of attorneys on staff to fight the lawsuit. I also doubt that a lawsuit of this nature is going to be viewed favorably by either a court or a jury (this is Texas after all).

I doubt that many of the TFB employees wear Nike shoes anyways. They are either going to wear dress shoes or boots instead. I don't believe any other Nike clothing meets the level of professional attire expected in an office environment and there are plenty of alternatives to choose without labels for the employees in positions where more casual clothing is acceptable.

Nike decided to take a stand on a social/political issue which invited the controversy. There is no constitutional right that an employee be permitted to make a social/political statement at work. However, to deflect the criticism the Texas Farm Bureau should prohibit athletic/leisure wear for all employees.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
24. Here's the flaw in your argument.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 09:24 AM
Sep 2018

The mere wearing of Nike apparel is not "making a social/political statement at work." Wearing a shirt that says for example, "fuck Trump", is. But you can't tell my politics just because i wear a fucking Nike shirt. This shit is getting ridiculous.

I would agree with your statement that they have a right to a dress code and sports apparel is probably not appropriate. Should have left it at that.

TexasTowelie

(112,204 posts)
25. Until they went with the recent advertisement campaign I would agree with you that wearing Nike
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 11:11 AM
Sep 2018

apparel was not making a social/political statement at work. That perception changed with their primary clientele, farmers, due to this advertising campaign.

I doubt that the policy at Texas Farm Bureau began with a decree from the top or the dissatisfaction of a single customer because of the negative publicity the new directive would generate. I suspect that there was some organized response movement from TFB's clientele that prompted the directive. Perhaps there was an office where nearly everyone dressed in Nike gear for the day that caused the phones to ring in the Waco headquarters? If that was the case then there was a social/political statement made at work and the management was correct to react.

For the time being, I think that wearing Nike apparel is making a social/political statement in almost every setting beyond a gym, athletic facility, exercising, or lounging at home. Is the quality of their products that much better than the competitors that people are willing to pay two or three times the cost? The "swoosh" has symbolism steeped as the peace sign had in the 1960s. Whether that social/political statement subsides or expands will depend on the marketing campaigns by Nike. Seeing how successful Nike was with this marketing campaign I expect that they will continue to work with outspoken athletes. It's a profitable business model for Nike, but they are going to alienate a segment of the population similar to how conservative organizations alienate liberals on occasions.

RockRaven

(14,967 posts)
3. That's some BS double-speak right there: "We're going to avoid taking a side by taking a side"
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 09:12 PM
Sep 2018

Have the intestinal fortitude to actually own up to your position: "Yeah, we banned it! We picked a side! Come at us bro!"

I think it's wrongheaded on several levels, but the weaselly explanation is just obnoxious.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
4. Unless they provide uniforms and shoes for the employees
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 09:20 PM
Sep 2018

They cannot dictate what brands people can and cannot wear. Not everyone has the ready cash to go out and replace footware or wardrobe, so this will not stand up to legal scrutiny.

I sweat this shit is getting out of control. One man, kneels silently and respectfully, and the whole country loses its GD mind.

TexasTowelie

(112,204 posts)
9. I don't think so.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 PM
Sep 2018

Employers have wide latitude on setting their dress codes unless they are discriminatory or place an undue burden on one class of employees compared to another. They do have to make accommodations in circumstances of physical disabilities and they cannot adopt a dress code that results in a cultural or religious bias, but I don't believe that prohibiting Nike apparel can be considered as discriminatory when it is applied to all employees.

TexasTowelie

(112,204 posts)
7. Actually Texas Farm Bureau can dictate what brands their employees can wear to work.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 09:57 PM
Sep 2018

Texas is a right to work state and showing up to work wearing the Nike gear would be considered as insubordination and grounds for termination. As long as they don't violate any discrimination laws in their dress code then the farm bureau is within their legal rights.

I also question whether it is professional and appropriate to wear any type of athletic wear or leisure wear when working for an insurance company. When I worked for an insurance company in the Metroplex women were banned from wearing Capri pants and I understood why because they look unprofessional. They also banned men from wearing Hawaiian shirts. Denim was prohibited for all employees except on casual days or unless they were performing tasks involving a significant amount of physical activity such as loading boxes from the file cabinets.

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
8. This is true. Unless an employer has an excusive bidded contract with a supplier
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 10:08 PM
Sep 2018

they cannot specify the uniforms or footwear. Nor can they prohibit a specific supplier from bidding on a contract without good cause.

If the employer wants to specify that employees cannot safely use the products of any supplier then they must specify in any bid contracts what is required. At that point ANY supplier who submits a bid that meets the criteria must be considered.

Unless you live in Russia.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
10. Can you cite to any legal authority for your statements?
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 10:27 PM
Sep 2018

I don't know of any legal authority for your assertions.

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
15. Of course. Virginia: Agency Procurement and Surplus Property Manual spells it out. Thanks.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:06 AM
Sep 2018

You may be confusing states with...oh....athletic associations, which are not state agencies. In other words, while the Commonwealth of Virginia cannot discriminate and must observe strict procurement standards, a university athletic association is a separate entity (a business) and can do whatever suits them. Teams around the country switch athletic apparel suppliers at will.
As I said in my OP, Mississippi is Mississippi and I am not sure what their guidelines are.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
20. The Texas Farm Bureau is not a government agency.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 08:11 AM
Sep 2018

So they can do pretty much whatever they please so long as they don't violate laws barring discrimination against a protected class.

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
21. Agreed. It's early and somehow I drifted over from a previous OP about Mississippi. Oh well.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 08:12 AM
Sep 2018

I addressed the "organization" aspect in post # 16.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
22. Yes. You and I actually are in agreement. I think the order of posts made things confusing
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 08:13 AM
Sep 2018

Have a good morning!

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
23. SW VA here. Live between two creeks and waiting to see what rolls down from NC and NE TN.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 08:16 AM
Sep 2018

Lots on my mind this morning. DU is a nice distraction.

TexasTowelie

(112,204 posts)
12. Texas Farm Bureau isn't negotiating a contract for a supplier to provide uniforms though.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 10:42 PM
Sep 2018

To avoid the appearance of conflict they should probably ban all athletic/leisure wear at work except for occasions like when a department is moving or emptying file cabinets.

Considering who the employer is, there aren't going to be many employees that would be wearing athletic gear on a frequent basis. An employee could file a lawsuit because people can sue for anything, but I doubt that any attorney is going to take a case on a contingency basis claiming it is discriminatory to ban Nike but allow Adidas. So unless someone is willing to pay the attorneys up front and risk getting laughed out of court, the wisest course of action if the employee wants to keep their job is to comply with the policy or at least cover the labels on the clothing with tape.

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
16. Texas Farm Bureau is not a government agency. They do not have the same procurement standards as
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:12 AM
Sep 2018

the state of Texas. They are an "organization."

I suspect they do try to avoid conflicts of interest or appearances of bias in their procurement standards. However, they are not held to the same restrictions as state agencies.

TexasTowelie

(112,204 posts)
18. You're correct.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:41 AM
Sep 2018

I also don't believe that the Texas Farm Bureau procures any type of clothing (except for goodwill items such as employee anniversaries).

I'm not an attorney, but to me this seems pretty clear cut and any employee who violates the dress code places themselves into being addressed with disciplinary action by either their supervisor and/or HR. Repeated violations of the dress code should draw increased levels of discipline starting with verbal warnings, then written documentation.

It would also be difficult for an employee to claim an undue burden is being placed on them since I recently purchased shoes and the Nikes were $70 while an acceptable alternative were $30.

Ultimately it is the responsibility of the employee to decide whether they want to work or be terminated. If they are behaving in a rebellious nature then TFB is completely justified to terminate the employee because they can't be trusted to perform their job duties with the best interests of the company.

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
19. Yes, you are correct as well. Private and state agencies can specify dress codes. The only
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:50 AM
Sep 2018

difference is when states "provide" attire and employees are forced to wear that attire, the state must use it's own procurement guidelines and cannot discriminate in a bid situation. Some government agencies get around this by issuing employees a stipend to purchase their own choice of "like" products. A good example would be when certain types of workers are required to wear steel toed shoes. It is generally more efficient to issue a stipend to eligible employees rather that try to stock every size and width on the shelves when many of them would never be used.


NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
11. What a bunch of butthurt, triggered snowflake candy-assed babies.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 10:33 PM
Sep 2018

They need to be institutionalized for ours and their own safety. I hope they all stroke out when trump is removed.

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
17. I think sometimes people confuse organizations with state agencies.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:24 AM
Sep 2018

Texas Farm Bureau does not necessarily have the same procurement constraints as a taxpayer funded state agency does. I agree, this entire Nike thing has snowballed and is really stupid.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,459 posts)
29. It certainly does. Nike Pro and Nike Pro Combat compression shorts, for example.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 12:50 PM
Sep 2018

Nike makes non-cotton-based compression t-shirts to wear under football jerseys, lacrosse jerseys, and so forth, too.

Nike compression gear is made of the same stretchy material that Under Armour uses for its compression gear.

As long as the TFB isn't conducting an underwear check, it will never know if an employee is wearing Nike compression gear.

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