Investigate them, indict them, try them, lock them up.

The indictment phase appears to be coming to an end.

Mueller is just getting into second gear, and he's running a 5 speed.

Absolutely don't forget Putin. trump works for him. trump is a wholly-owned subsidiary. I refer to him as The Asset. That is, when I'm not also calling him "Stubby."


https://politicalwire.com/2018/09/18/quote-of-the-day-2041/

That’s what he IS.

Mueller will indict a sitting president or any of his children.

that Pence is a target of the investigation. Everybody named is connected to Trump somehow.

I doubt Ryan and O'Connell are in any immediate danger, either.

Isn't Sater a double agent that worked both sides?

but, there is nothing I've seen to indicate he's been on Mueller's list.

I will settle for half in that list

Muehlers team has Multiple paths of investigation, and so far all they have been doing is using strategic indictments to get holdouts to flip.

The rollout could take years. Money laundering, tax fraud, corruption, obstruction, perjury, blackmail, espionage and sedition, fara crimes, electronic crimes, election violations, etc, etc, etc,

This will be a meal served over many, many, years. It will be delicious. If the republicans can be kept from pissing all over it that is.

Trump is actually just one target now. There are many.

he can be indicted in January 2021 on tax fraud, money laundering charges, right? He won't be president then.

It wasn't that "charges can never be brought against the individual who is currently president," but "while the individual is president, charges cannot be brought."

Otherwise every single city, county, state DA would be able to indict a sitting president and seriously screw around with the head of the executive branch, whether (D) or (R) or whatever else may exist in 100 years.

Still within the statute of limitations if he's out in four. But what if he serves eight years ? Or what if the President kills someone for instance?

There is a doj legal opinion memo that a sitting potus can't be indicted, but there is another that says they can be. It has never been tested. Muehler isn't bound by them, and can seek indictments if he wants the battle.

And if an indictment is brought and sealed, the statute of limitations stops. It is strongly suspected there are sealed indictments out there. They may be a dead man's switch of sorts.

Did not know that and now I feel somewhat more at ease if that's really the only alternative.

I just hope that they're followed through on this time. Democrats (and most people with a heart) tend to forgive and forget and oh gosh, let's all just move on together to a brighter future. Problem is: the other side doesn't play nice - they just stab us in the back.

It has happened over and over and over again.

I do not believe Mueller will indict a sitting president or his children.

But he isn't on any clock. There isn't an end date specified in the act appointing him.

Look at how long they haunted clinton. And they didn't have any evidence of a crime for years. That was a witch hunt. This one has many, many crimes.......

Will he indict? He might. He isn't there to write a book report, and if he doesn't believe congress will act to remove him, then if muehler believes the crimes endanger the country, he might.

It will end up at the supreme court, but even if they rule he can't be indicted until he leaves office, the congress couldn't overlook it..

Election and forward his findings to the DOJ.

Investigation. Facts are not talking points.

They are all over du on this.

All you have to is read the memo authorizing muehlers investigation and it is VERY clear. There is no end date, and he has broad latitude in what charges he can bring. He can also refer unrelated charges to other prosecutors who can and are bringing them forward.

You are playing a fool here. Go back to vlad.

Unlimited amount of time regarding this investigation. He knows Don the Con can fire him at any minute. He knows the stiffs controlling Congress will continue to derail his investigation. Common sense is NOT a talking point.

Of the year. If you don’t agree, fine.

"The mission of this allied force was fulfilled at 0241, local time, May 17th, 1945."

Eisenhower.

and hope it is something along those lines.

"That cannot be indicted at this time due to their position in the government." And that list would contain exactly one name - Donald James Trump.

But even if the Mueller investigation survives, the public may never get to hear most of what he ultimately finds.

That’s because Mueller is only required by law to deliver a confidential report to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the investigation. And Rosenstein has no obligation to send the report to Congress or tell the public about it. Which means much of what Mueller uncovers may remain a secret.

The govt hired him to do an in-depth investigation of certain things, and to act on any peripheral crimes he ran across.

Mueller's team will have interviewed many people, accumulated thousands of documents on which Mueller based his conclusions and indictments, and reached certain conclusions that there were no crimes pertaining to certain things.

The only proper way to summarize all this for history and for the government, to show what the special counsel did, gathered, and concluded, is to do a report. It's not enough to issue some indictments, and not issue other indictments, leaving the govt to guess why, and to guess at what part this or that document or interview played in the conclusions reached. Or to guess at even what conclusions were reached.

There will be a report. It will be sent to certain people, but will not be released to the public unless the govt decides to release it.

Ghouliani has said they are writing a counter-report. If that's true, and if they release it to the public, then the Mueller report may be released. I wouldn't be surprised, though, that if there is no counter-report released, Mueller's report may not be released to the public. The people want the report released, though, so we're hoping it is, like Ken Starr's report was. If Rosenstein releases it, he knows he'll be fired immediately. In fact, Rosenstein may be fired immediately upon Mueller concluding his investigation. And Sessions. Replaced by Trump loyalists who won't release the report, but may release Ghouliani's counter-report. At that point, we can only hope a leaker releases the report.

And the two are at odds. Usually, criminal investigations save all details for trial. Release of detailed information can cause a mistrial. So prosecutors don't let out raw detailed information except at trial. Even after trial, they are often loathe to release the specific evidence.

Muehlers team won't release working documents like interview tapes and case notes. Trump can release it if he is still president, but the prosecutors won't do it voluntarily if they intend on prosecuting.

Any report will be similar to an indictment in content, but not similar to what would be brought out at trial.

He won't be issuing indictments for everything he ran across. He's going to do a report to the govt, summarizing his investigation, the evidence, the interviews, etc.

any and all matters related to russian interference and any other matters he deems relevant. Plus, he is free to refer crimes he uncovers to other prosecutors (think cohen prosecution and flip).

He has the full power and authority of the justice department.

So yeah, he is the gubbermint.

He will certainly report on his findings, one indictment at a time. It doesn't matter he isn't an employee.

It DOESN'T matter. He has the power to prosecute. He has already used it. Or didn't the mannafort trial happen? What about papadopolous, and the others who have already plead guilty?

And those are only the ones we know about. Others have likely flipped (hicks and company), and pleaded guilty but it hasn't been made public.

What you are saying is just silly. Muehler has already prosecuted people and obtained convictions. He isn't limited by his appointment.

Mueller is definitely not a contractor. He is a direct-hire USG official hired as a non-career, temporary official with a specific task. Please inform yourself on these things.

as any prosecutor!

And can issue reports AND do indictments...not mutually exclusive.

Just like a defense contractor.

Maybe he won't do a report. But all indications are that he will. Just like Ken Starr did. That's how he summarizes the task he was assigned, and his conclusions, and presents all the thousands of pieces of evidence, for the govt and for the people and for history. Otherwise, the govt wouldn't know who all he interviewed, what evidence they obtained and reviewed, what evidence went into conclusions, etc. There is only one way...to do a report.

It is what prosecutors do, special assignment or not.

I’m a retired federal law-enforcement agent. You have no idea of which you speak. Mueller is a direct-hire USG employee in a non-career, temporary appointment.

A shell, where evidence and interviews are logged in, where the indictments are listed or attached, etc. It doesn't have final conclusions. But some sort of shell, so they don't have to start from scratch, when it's over. He's decided on the format, the attachments, etc.

Trump won't go down with a big fat report that says COLLUSION.

He will go down like Al Capone. With a thousand little stabs.



Obstruction of justice.



Lying under oath.



Conspiracy against the United States.



Money-laundering.



Structuring.



Tax-fraud.



Racketeering.



Fraud.



Emoluments.

The evidence seems to support some of those things. Except lying under oath. I don't think he'll ever give an interview to Mueller or Congress or under oath.

Especially ones like Ghouliani and others very close to him that will be exposed for their corruption and criminal activities, and ghouliani is corrupt or he wouldn't be getting forced to represent criminals like trump. Follow the money and they'll be exposed. Ghouliani is more corrupt then we know I suspect, and is why he's on the complete other side of the law now. Prosecutor turned criminal who will turn on him too is what I see soon for trump, along with family members also.

and of course they will submit a report. It's idiotic to claim that a report means there won't be any more substantial punishments.

Why believe anything these assholes say when they have proven to have lied about everything so far?

What life is like for Paul Manafort in jail https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/16/politics/paul-manafort-virginia-jail-life/index.html

Trump is a criminal who has surrounded himself with criminals. it would be a waste of

Having said that, I do not believe Mueller will try to indict Trump. I think he understands that the current DOJ is unlikely to allow such a thing, and it would be a waste of political capital. I think he WILL write a report about Trump and detail what he believes is evidence the President committed crimes.

But everything else? Yep... in the charging docs. They cannot be suppressed by the traitorous GOP.

But the right is in full panic mode now.

Over on a right wing site (not freeperville) that I monitor and used to troll, they are shitting bricks, calling for Trump to end the Mueller probe NOW.

They know what's coming. They tell themselves it's all made up, but deep down, they know better, and it shows.

That is false. As far as the exhibits go, if these so-called unnamed "legal observers" were indeed "shocked" by the details they must have never seen a actual trial. The indictments were months old and a trial was scheduled this weeks. Of course prosecutors would have all their exhibits, etc. ready. That has nothing to do with a report.

They are trying to turn the public view of Muller and the investigation negative.

More republican bullshit.

Learned the lesson the hard way, believing in Fitzgerald. Often woke up several times at night to see if they had cuffed bush or cheney. Nope, nothing in the end.

Not getting my hopes up, but will do a little dance if I'm wrong.