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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 10:17 AM Sep 2018

When is it okay to steal ? When is it okay to lie ?

The discussion of Hurricane Florence related looting piqued my interest. It reminds me of the absurdist position that Christine O'Donnell took when she said she would even lie to the Gestapo about the whereabouts of Jews hiding from them. In that vein there is a huge difference between hungry, thirsty, and desperate people during emergencies stealing water and canned hams and opportunists stealing dvd players. The former is morally justified, imho, the latter isn't.

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When is it okay to steal ? When is it okay to lie ? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2018 OP
Stealing is never OK except in a life or death situation oberliner Sep 2018 #1
What if a person in poverty's "job" is reselling DVDs? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2018 #2
We learned from Katrina that white people don't loot. Girard442 Sep 2018 #3
+1 dalton99a Sep 2018 #4
Is this our Sunday Morning sermon? mountain grammy Sep 2018 #5
If you steal water or canned ham during an emergency to survive, you can always pay for them... PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #6
gotta define the words qazplm135 Sep 2018 #7
There is also, the "sin of omission" Bayard Sep 2018 #8
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Stealing is never OK except in a life or death situation
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 10:19 AM
Sep 2018

Lying is OK in a variety of different situations.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
2. What if a person in poverty's "job" is reselling DVDs?
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 10:22 AM
Sep 2018

What if the person stealing TP is going to sell it at inflated prices?

What questions can help foster understanding and solutions? Which questions are focused on determining only the “worthy” and “unworthy” activity? How long will we put up with these distractions?

Girard442

(6,075 posts)
3. We learned from Katrina that white people don't loot.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 10:27 AM
Sep 2018

Instead they scavenge for things they need to survive — but never loot.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
6. If you steal water or canned ham during an emergency to survive, you can always pay for them...
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 10:37 AM
Sep 2018

(or replace them with the owner) once things return to normal.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
7. gotta define the words
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 11:04 AM
Sep 2018

what do you mean by steal?

There's legal (and justifiable) "stealing" via say a progressive tax system. We take more from certain groups because they have more. Again, completely morally and ethically justifiable, but depending on one's definition, it is stealing.

There's illegal (but justifiable) stealing when needed for extreme situations.

There's illegal (and not justifiable) stealing when there is no extreme situation.

Lying is way too varied to sum up so simply.

So yes, stealing food in a hurricane, justifiable...stealing DVDs at any time, probably not. But as someone else pointed out, depends on your definition of stealing.

Bayard

(22,075 posts)
8. There is also, the "sin of omission"
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 11:55 AM
Sep 2018

Is that a lie? I suspect Mueller has seen tons of that.

As for stealing, I wouldn't call it that when people are starving. Somehow I doubt the situation with Hurricane Florence got to that point after just a few days.... Not like Puerto Rico where people were literally drinking out of ditches.

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