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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFox panel freaks out when economist touts successful example of universal basic income: Alaska.
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/09/12/watch-fox-panel-become-speechless-after-guest-defends-universal-basic-income/221286MACDONALD: That's a dividend out of the oil supplies.
VARNEY: That's from the dividend from the oil, it's got nothing to do with universal basic income for heaven's sake.
SALMON: It's universal income.
VARNEY: Are you a socialist?
SALMON: No.
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VARNEY: Our viewers are not going to be very happy about this.
SALMON: They should be because it's free money. Who doesn't like free money?
MACDONALD: Taxpayers don't, they have to pay for it.
VARNEY: The people handing it out. People like me.
SALMON: Well, you have too much.
VARNEY: Oh. You've done it now. You've really done it now. I gotta move away to something else. Get off my set.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)redumbliCONS go crazy over healthcare for ALL. Universal Basic Income will have THEM jumping off rooftops.
Aristus
(66,380 posts)n/t
badhair77
(4,218 posts)His wife filed for divorce after she learned of a 9 yr affair he had. He said he didnt love the woman but had the affair because he could do it, according to the divorce complaint. Dont know if the divorce was ever finalized. He has 6 kids with the wife. No wonder he loves trump so much, so many things in common.
Initech
(100,079 posts)Anyone?
badhair77
(4,218 posts)Initech
(100,079 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Not that adultery is a partisan trait. Many of us are. But only republicans build their entire career on faith to god and family only to repeatedly piss on the idea. But their rubes keep asking for more.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)And they admit they didnt do it long enough or with enough funding, it was restricted to certain people and was NOT enough to live on.
UBI will work in America if we have the GUTS to make the rich and corps pay for it.
It is that simple.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/23/finland-to-end-basic-income-trial-after-two-years
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)An economy only works if people buy. Robots aren't workers. They are unpaid slaves. Robots don't spend a wage by buying products. If nobody buys products, the company collapses.
The only way to keep the economy going despite robot-induced mass-unemployment is UBI.
And this mass-unemployment will come. Just imagine that the 10% of all low-skill jobs go to robots. Permanently. That means 10% of all low-skill workers will NEVER AGAIN find a job.
10% is not bad? What happens when robots replace 50% of all low-skill workers? Will that be bad?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)that capitalism, unbridled capitalism, is the way to go.
They are wrong.
It is a mix, and we need more socialism in our mix. But as you say UBI has to happen or people will die or live in the streets. Sooner or later.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)and am convinced it will eat it's host alive. Socialism is a good place to start, by that I mean free quality education, child daycare, universal health care, social security.
My concern with UBI is that if that were ever implemented it would be used as an excuse to remove all other financial protections. "Now that you have your UBI, you can pay out of pocket for health care and cover your own social security" would be the end result...and no UBI will ever be enough to cover health care.
Given the choice, I'd choose health care over UBI. As for no body being able to afford to by the things that the robots make, well, if no one buys, the price will go down. Fewer usless things will be made.
former9thward
(32,013 posts)They were called Luddites then. When is mass unemployment going to come? Companies have been putting in robots all over the place for decades now. Unemployment is 3.9%. When is this dire world going to happen?
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Many will never be convinced because profit is evil. Or something like that.
These are the same folks bitching about overpopulation while trying hard to ignore that every nation that has embraced liberal democracy and regulated capitalism has reduced their population growth to below repopulation levels. Including the US. Without immigrants we would have a declining population. As would all of Western Europe.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Varney and MacDonald are partisan hacks and Salmon sounds like an idiot.
$2000 per person per year, provided by a glut of oil revenue, will not provide enough for universal basic income and most states are not swimming in money as Alaska has been.
UBI may be a good idea and worth investing in but Salmon doesn't help the cause.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)at all!