kirsten wanted him out, after all.

be appointed to SCOTUS.

I don't plan to forget

Where is Arlen Specter when you need him. I'll tell you where, dead and gone. I hope he's burning in hell for what he did by smearing Anita Hill.

...but don’t worry, after he’s confirmed, the Republicans will dig up some evidence that one or another prominent Democrat inadvertently brushed their hand against a woman’s lower back twenty years ago, and the #metoo brigade will spring into action to force them to resign.

If you're a Democrat, just an accusation is good enough.

this Kavanaugh shit. Every time I think of what happened to Al Franken I want to scream.

Same here...


I am so angry right now

The photograph was a dumb joke on a USO tour. It was disrespectful, but it was not something that should have ended a Senate career. The accusations of groping were never investigated and the entire thing came to an unsatisfactory end because no one knows the truth of what happened. That is what was wrong with the entire situation. Sen. Gillibrand did everyone a disservice, including the accusers, by pushing for Al Franken to resign.

I am not in the "everyone should be believed" camp. There have been women who have lied. It does happen. That is why evidence and due process is always necessary. It serves everyone, and mostly it serves victims who deserve justice.

Kavanaugh included.
The confirmation vote should be suspended pending a full investigation of this allegation.

Al Franken was run out of town on a rail, so to speak, he should have never resigned, he should have fought it all the way.

but no one gets upset about that. I often wonder why?

I had forgotten all about him, it seems Dems pressured him to resign.

to get upset about Conyers. I wonder why.

I don't know why.
I guess out of sight, out of mind.

everyone gets upset about white guy but not the black guy.

since he settled with an accuser using taxpayer money. As the saying goes, if Conyer's innocent then I'd like to get $27,000 for NOT being sexually harassed by him.

I think that photo was something staged that she agreed to.

I don't understand what that means.

only determines if Congressional ethics rules were violated. It is not a finding or guilt or innocence.

And there were 38 Senators who called for Franken’s resignation, not just one.

It was a very charged atmosphere in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein revelations. It was almost as if no one wanted to be caught on the wrong side.

Let me be clear, I am still very torn about Franken. I don't know for sure if he is a groper who mistreated and disrespected these women. He could very well be a major creeper. What I am saying is that our democracy is very much rooted in due process. That no man is convicted of a crime or punished without having the opportunity to speak and defend himself. Sen. Gillibrand created a feeding frenzy that did not give Franken the opportunity to defend himself. He could have tried, but everyone turned on him. It was in my opinion very unfair. In a way it was frightening.

in advance and Franken took one for the team. And you’re giving Gillibrand too much credit. She doesn’t have much power and influence. Only one Senator does.

Please making the “due process” argument. It is false.

renew my membership. I have donated money to my state Democratic Party, state and federal candidates, the DCCC, and the DSCC, but not the DNC.

On the line that says, "I have decided not to renew my support for the DNC for 2018 because:" I checked 'other' and wrote "Al Franken".

He was railroaded

but tarred and feathered in the process.

We sacrificed one of our brightest and best. Gillibrand is dead to me. Unfortunately she's my Senator.

and my local and state party organizations.

Good going.

I've donated hundreds to Democratic candidates, so feel no shame at all in not renewing my DNC membership after 50 years.

Again, good going.

Again, good going.

And explain why, if you're upset with Democratic Senators, you supported DSCC?

It made me angry then to see members of his own party throw him under the bus. It was not a smart move. I'm still angry about the group of Democrats who led that figurative lynch mob, and for the others who went along.

Franken asked for an ethics investigation. That only decides if Congressional ethics rules were violated. It is not a determination or guilt or innocence.

and to suggest otherwise is willfully obtuse.

What is the point if it proves nothing?

Franken should at least be given the courtesy of knowing who half his accusers are.

i really like Kamala Harris but on that issue she, and so many other democrats, jumped on the train prematurely. hard to forgive.

and so wrong.

He’s the one who really stings at the moment.

Never cared fo Gilli before the knock on Clintons. Harris I’ve always been ambivalent. But Booker stings me most.

So disappointing.

Please provide links.

Is the same true of Warren and Sanders?

support your observation?

I agree. Schumer should not have allowed it.

He orchestrated it.

what was done to Al Franken. Republican operatives took an important movement and used it against a truly good man. They will weaponize anything to their advantage and in this case, it can end up weakening and trivializing an important issue.

We can continue to encourage him to write and do more media. Maybe we can convince him to run again.

That should be on the official party seal.

Lookin' at you Kavenaugh.

And tell us again how wrong we are about the railroad and he resigned of his own “free” will.

They always ignore he asked for ethics investigation. He received a third finger;
From his own party.

Some of us, me included, will not forget.

Not saying ever I won’t vote for a Dem candidate. However, will fight like hell for the Democratic candidates I choose to.

is only a determination if Congressional ethics rules were violated. It is not a judgment of guilt or innocence.

I guess I will use my ignore now. Good evening.. Won't see you on the next pro-Franken thread or any other for that matter.

Where Franken gets to know the names of half of his accusers.

This not being a criminal case notwithstanding, even the sixth amendment says the accused should have a chance to confront his accusers.

that the condemnation of Roy Moore would have teeth to it.

Moore may have won if Franken hadn't resigned. That was the calculus the Dems made when they prodded him to go. Right or wrong, I don't know. I would hate to be in the position they were in, having to make that decision.

I am very sad to see him gone. I wonder if there is any chance he might run again. Let the voters decide if a bawdy joke photo is worth a man's career.

We'll see if he can rehabilitate his career in politics. I'm sure he is working on a new book. And to date his books have been his ticket to success.

it was probably the other way. She doesn’t have the power or influence, but he does.

He was to good to be railroaded.

determined if Congressional ethics rules were broken. It does not decide if the allegations were true or not.

This is it exactly. Were pedo Roy Moore's special election not happening at the exact same time (odd isn't it?) it would have been a much different story. But they just had to appear above reproach so... Al had to go. Then, free of any hypocrisy, they could go all in on blasting Roy Moore.

I don't mean you should not be pissed, because I still am, but of course that he should have not resigned.

A few things:
1. The Democrats should have not been so quick at the draw, they should have supported Franken, unless he somehow represents a threat to them politically, because I cannot see it any other way...well I can, sheer stupidity.
2. Franken should not have been so quick at the draw either. He should have demanded an investigation, unless there are other things he did not want to be known, which is also another possibility. Once they start investigating they don't stop.
3. Us, the voters, should have demanded more that he stay, I don't know that the push from the voters was strong enough, everyting happened very fast. I cannot remember who the democrat who started the push for him to resign is, I know it is a woman, but she should also should have been pressured to keep her mouth shut.

We definitely missing him a lot, I wish Kavanaugh had gone through his questioning.

Franken faced significantly less serious allegations, and was a Senator, not a lifetime SCOTUS.

Let's see if they have any morals and values and vote no on Kavanaugh or if they are total hypocrites.

Never!

If any of those players aspire to higher office, COUNT ME OUT.

Senate Judicial Committee. I'll never understand that one.

Franken was trashed by Roger Stone, Sean Hannity, and Hannity's friend Lindsay Menz who years later accused Franken of inappropriate touching and sexual harassment during a 2003 USO Tour to entertain the troops.

Stone, Hannity and Menz are all Fascists and Nazi extreme Right Wingers who set Franken up and smeared him relentlessly causing Franken to relinquish his US Senate seat for no justifiable reason. Franken should have been given due process to prove it was a smear campaign but the "Me Too" episode robbed Al the opportunity to clear his name and he was essentially forced out by Fascist gossip.

Boiling angry at Roger Stone who started it. Hopefully he'll go down. Also pretty damn angry that we eat our own EVERY TIME instead of standing behind them.

In Franken's case we threw him under the bus without any due process. Kavenaugh will be treated far more fairly.

Republicans have tended to fight the accusations whereas the Dems wanted purity in the party and ran off Franken right away. What he did obviously wasnt ok. But I dont think it warrented expulsion from the Senate either.

Don't count him out.

I would just like to see him back in the Senate where I think he belongs.

YES YES YES

And any senator who partook in his ouster will not get my support in the primaries, should any of them run.

I found that to be very disheartening, to put it lightly.

I just read through another op started by someone who still hasn’t figured out they were the victims of a Stone/Trumpian psyop.

to put the screws to Trump before making Franken fall on his own sword...

and I'm never forgiving or forgetting.