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does a woman ever forget (Original Post) KT2000 Sep 2018 OP
No - we do not forget Pachamama Sep 2018 #1
me either - KT2000 Sep 2018 #6
His hand covering her mouth! No wonder she thought she might die! PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 #2
we do not forget! handmade34 Sep 2018 #3
me either KT2000 Sep 2018 #7
NO. NEVER. Claritie Pixie Sep 2018 #4
and today makes that harder KT2000 Sep 2018 #21
... Claritie Pixie Sep 2018 #37
No. Iliyah Sep 2018 #5
Absolutely not. DangerousRhythm Sep 2018 #8
Just like when I heard the Pussy grabbing tape of Trump, I am feeling such queasiness and anger now Pachamama Sep 2018 #10
So true KT2000 Sep 2018 #24
Nope. Never. Solly Mack Sep 2018 #9
Yes - feeling ill today KT2000 Sep 2018 #14
No. backtoblue Sep 2018 #11
.... KT2000 Sep 2018 #35
No. Wish it were so. I'm 66 now. Will go to my grave livetohike Sep 2018 #12
have a year on you KT2000 Sep 2018 #18
No, but to be fair, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2018 #13
true KT2000 Sep 2018 #16
No. Never. lamp_shade Sep 2018 #15
.... KT2000 Sep 2018 #36
No I never forgot the guy who raped me kimbutgar Sep 2018 #17
it brings it all back today KT2000 Sep 2018 #19
I will never forget Loryn Sep 2018 #20
the attacker gets to go on KT2000 Sep 2018 #27
Just a reminder malaise Sep 2018 #22
May karma be a mighty bitch Loryn Sep 2018 #23
Indeed malaise Sep 2018 #25
Sexual assault steals time from the victims as well. Ilsa Sep 2018 #26
life changing KT2000 Sep 2018 #29
No. Women Never Forget peggysue2 Sep 2018 #28
My attacker in college when I was 19 died in a motorcycle accident shortly after the attack. CTyankee Sep 2018 #30
.... KT2000 Sep 2018 #33
Thank you, KT. I hope my granddaughters will be saved from any of this but my daugher assured CTyankee Sep 2018 #46
that gives me hope n/t KT2000 Sep 2018 #52
Never. dewsgirl Sep 2018 #31
.... KT2000 Sep 2018 #34
This is an important thread. Thanks KT2000. We need to keep this kicked. lamp_shade Sep 2018 #32
Kick. No, not ever. Guilded Lilly Sep 2018 #38
.... KT2000 Sep 2018 #39
No... sagetea Sep 2018 #40
.... KT2000 Sep 2018 #50
I will never forget what the neighbor Doreen Sep 2018 #41
thank you KT2000 Sep 2018 #51
It's a wound. It may heal, but the scar never fades. sarge43 Sep 2018 #42
it is an alteration KT2000 Sep 2018 #54
That, too. sarge43 Sep 2018 #81
I do feel it is important to point out another thing. Doreen Sep 2018 #43
absolutely KT2000 Sep 2018 #56
never forget. For me, 3 years old. demigoddess Sep 2018 #44
..... KT2000 Sep 2018 #49
NO! Daphne08 Sep 2018 #45
..... KT2000 Sep 2018 #57
This topic strikes many personal nerves. SCVDem Sep 2018 #47
thank you KT2000 Sep 2018 #59
No! mysteryowl Sep 2018 #48
.... KT2000 Sep 2018 #61
I was 22. MontanaMama Sep 2018 #53
Oh no - KT2000 Sep 2018 #64
Yes. Blaming the victim MontanaMama Sep 2018 #73
NEVER... Zoonart Sep 2018 #55
yes, KT2000 Sep 2018 #65
No nini Sep 2018 #58
..... KT2000 Sep 2018 #66
Fortunately victims are finally starting to be believed mythology Sep 2018 #60
yes and I hope KT2000 Sep 2018 #67
No. recovering_democrat Sep 2018 #62
..... KT2000 Sep 2018 #68
You never forget... Skidmore Sep 2018 #63
that is the only way it will change KT2000 Sep 2018 #70
Never! shanti Sep 2018 #69
..... KT2000 Sep 2018 #71
What woman hasn't been sexually assaulted in some fashion? Ligyron Sep 2018 #72
that is my feeling today KT2000 Sep 2018 #78
Not always physically. sarge43 Sep 2018 #82
Nope, never. ariadne0614 Sep 2018 #74
back then KT2000 Sep 2018 #77
I know exactly what I did to cause it. ariadne0614 Sep 2018 #85
Never. And it's a thief. It steals the sense we can be and do anything nolabear Sep 2018 #75
well said KT2000 Sep 2018 #76
Yes. sarge43 Sep 2018 #83
I'm sure the answer is no. MineralMan Sep 2018 #79
I escaped an attempted abduction 30+ years ago Coventina Sep 2018 #80
.... KT2000 Sep 2018 #84
Kick lamp_shade Sep 2018 #86
Men don't forget either. Behind the Aegis Sep 2018 #87
True KT2000 Sep 2018 #88
no kpete Sep 2018 #89
.... KT2000 Sep 2018 #91
Not ever DFW Sep 2018 #90
a shattering experience KT2000 Sep 2018 #92
They figure: DFW Sep 2018 #94
I still remember counting holes in the ceiling tiles SoCalDem Sep 2018 #93
oh geez - KT2000 Sep 2018 #95

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
2. His hand covering her mouth! No wonder she thought she might die!
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:00 PM
Sep 2018

If the drunk had used a washcloth or towel, she might have!

Fucking rapist needs to be investigated!

DangerousRhythm

(2,916 posts)
8. Absolutely not.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:16 PM
Sep 2018

I feel the same sickness in my stomach as I did then, recalling one incident in another post about the Kavanaugh accuser just now.

I've been assaulted by three different men, two adult men in separate incidents as a child and one boy my age as a near-teenager.

It's not something I'll ever forget.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
10. Just like when I heard the Pussy grabbing tape of Trump, I am feeling such queasiness and anger now
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:21 PM
Sep 2018

It all comes back including the feeling in the physical and emotional body.

I am furious right now and feel like we are all being assaulted all over again.

This has to be stopped and we need both women and men in the Senate and across the country to say "No Fucking Way is Kavanaugh or anybody accused of sexual assault going to have a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court"

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
24. So true
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:36 PM
Sep 2018

My senator will not support him, but a call to emphasize what we learned today is on my list. This must change things so republicans will at least put forward men who have not attacked a woman.

Solly Mack

(90,769 posts)
9. Nope. Never.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:20 PM
Sep 2018

It haunts us even when we think everything is OK. A word, a gesture, a scent can bring it all crashing back down on us.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,347 posts)
13. No, but to be fair, ...
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:22 PM
Sep 2018

a man is also unlikely to forget being the victim of a sexual assault.

And perhaps more likely to stfu.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
16. true
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:26 PM
Sep 2018

but today is about a man who did something horrendous and republicans want it to pass as nothing. If he was accused of assault against a boy or man, I would feel the same. It is about power and entitlement.

lamp_shade

(14,836 posts)
15. No. Never.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:23 PM
Sep 2018

Last edited Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:56 PM - Edit history (1)

I wasn't raped... I was sexually assaulted. It was humiliating and 45 years later it still haunts me.

kimbutgar

(21,155 posts)
17. No I never forgot the guy who raped me
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:27 PM
Sep 2018

It was so humiliating though I forgot his name. The next day I told everyone what he had done to me. Everyone in our group was pissed at him. The friend who had brought the rapist on the group weekend get away stopped associating with him and would apologize to me every time he saw me.

No, you never forget. I even remember the time I outsmarted a would be rapist and got away.
The me too movement from last year dredged up memories I suppressed as a young woman.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
27. the attacker gets to go on
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:38 PM
Sep 2018

like it was normal - to the point of being "qualified" to become a lifetime judge. They do not get it.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
26. Sexual assault steals time from the victims as well.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:38 PM
Sep 2018

Even if you are able to get psychological help, and if time helps you heal, there are those years when you don't feel like yourself, when you feel jaded, or that you can't trust anyone, or that time during which you never feel safe, or take innocent comments the wrong way. Relationships fall apart, work and career can suffer. Rape steals time and money from its victims, among other things.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
29. life changing
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:41 PM
Sep 2018

a most difficult thing to integrate because it will never make sense when there is no penalty for the attacker. Theft of trust.

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
28. No. Women Never Forget
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:41 PM
Sep 2018

Nor should they, can they. Violence sticks to you for a lifetime. A rape or attempted rape is an act of violence. Two men holding you down, one covering your mouth? The intention was absolutely clear, regardless of the age.

How could anyone forget that?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
30. My attacker in college when I was 19 died in a motorcycle accident shortly after the attack.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:41 PM
Sep 2018

I repressed the memory for years and years and it only came back to me a couple of years ago when I was thinking about my granddaughter going off to college. She is so pretty and I thought she might be at risk. Then the memory of my own experience came back. I have not told my grown children about this, just my husband and one very good friend who had been molested when he was a boy of 10.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
46. Thank you, KT. I hope my granddaughters will be saved from any of this but my daugher assured
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:28 PM
Sep 2018

rape awareness is now something they are aware off and warned against and I am feeling better about their being out there in college. Men are aware, too, and that is a good thing.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
41. I will never forget what the neighbor
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 06:58 PM
Sep 2018

did to me or the three men who tried to rape me and what unspeakable acts my adoptive father forced me to do to him for three years. I thank the universe I do not renember exactly what was done to me from the time not to long after I was born and to three and a half. Despite the amount of therapy I went through to learn how to live with it I have nightmares still occasionally. The last one happened when I was 22 and I am now almost 51. No such damn thing as "that was a long time ago!!"

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
43. I do feel it is important to point out another thing.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:16 PM
Sep 2018

A man never forgets what was done to him either. I have male friends who had things done to them by both me and women also. It just seems no one mentions them very often.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
56. absolutely
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:38 PM
Sep 2018

it has taken women eons to come out with their stories and be believed. Males will do so more in the future I hope. Everyone who assaults, rapes, and sexually attacks another person should be held accountable.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
44. never forget. For me, 3 years old.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:17 PM
Sep 2018

every woman I have met in my life has had such a story to tell. Uncle, brother, grandfather, etc.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
47. This topic strikes many personal nerves.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:30 PM
Sep 2018

Why was my father french kissing his five year old son on the couch before church?
Wanna have some fun?

So many of us have heard the same. I say:

It dies with me! I would never fuck someone up for life!

Home stretch!

MontanaMama

(23,319 posts)
53. I was 22.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:34 PM
Sep 2018

I was assaulted before I could be raped. I ran for the bathroom, climbed out a window and had to climb down a rose trellis from a second floor. I walked several miles home late at night. I only ever told one person about it...he told me that nothing good ever happens after midnight and that’ll teach me for being in a man’s apartment...what did I think was going to happen? I was so ashamed.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
64. Oh no -
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:43 PM
Sep 2018

that just compounds the issues to live with. Blaming the victim has to stop. I sincerely hope you have been able to rid yourself of the self blame.

MontanaMama

(23,319 posts)
73. Yes. Blaming the victim
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:54 PM
Sep 2018

must stop. It wasn’t my fault. I know that now. This thread is taking my breath away. So many of us have been through this. Thanks.

Zoonart

(11,868 posts)
55. NEVER...
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:37 PM
Sep 2018

not even when you lock it down in the deepest dungeon cell in your mind. It is always there...just waiting to come up on the shovel.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
60. Fortunately victims are finally starting to be believed
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:40 PM
Sep 2018

The MeToo movement has done wonders to help create an environment where victims are believed so we can finally begin to get a greater scope of the problem of sexual violence and harassment.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
63. You never forget...
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:42 PM
Sep 2018

ever.

And every GOP congressperson or senator who supports him won't be forgotten at the polls.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
70. that is the only way it will change
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:48 PM
Sep 2018

the R's are protecting a nest of predators such as trump. This cannot be tolerated.

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
72. What woman hasn't been sexually assaulted in some fashion?
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:50 PM
Sep 2018

Anybody?

Didn't think so...

Gotta stop letting their attempts at shaming stop people from coming forward and speaking up. If everybody steps up there's no way they can continue to silence those who do.

ariadne0614

(1,730 posts)
74. Nope, never.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 07:56 PM
Sep 2018

In my case, the guy ended up being sorry because I caught him off guard as he was trying to overcome me, and I shoved him with all the strength my 95 pounds could muster. I was furious, and there must have been a lot of adrenaline. He cracked his head against the iron railroad pilings, which gave me time to climb up the embankment and get away. Back in the 60s, we kept our mouths shut about experiences like that, knowing we would be blamed. It wasn’t till the #MeToo movement happened that I allowed myself to wonder if he succeeded with anyone else. Now I feel guilty for staying quiet.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
77. back then
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 08:19 PM
Sep 2018

it wouldn't have made a difference to speak up, except there would have been an army to shame you. The usual, what did you do to cause it. That is not gone yet but on its way out.

ariadne0614

(1,730 posts)
85. I know exactly what I did to cause it.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 09:58 PM
Sep 2018

I failed to imagine the possibility of an assault when a fellow human being invited me to enjoy a break between classes on a beautiful spring day, even when he led me down a railroad embankment.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
75. Never. And it's a thief. It steals the sense we can be and do anything
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 08:00 PM
Sep 2018

and replaces it with the sense that we can do incredible things but are still just prey to some. And they can take control of our bodies and then shame US while they continue to build their power on even more control. They truly believe we are theirs to act upon and use as means to an end.

That never leaves you.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
87. Men don't forget either.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 05:40 AM
Sep 2018

Him: "Haha...it's like I raped you."

Me: "You did."

Him: "Get over it! You know you wanted it." (BTW...I was told HERE, at DU, I wasn't really raped because I was gay and as her grandma used to say, "You can't rape the willing!" )

If this is ignored, what a wonderful message for the young men today.


NO! It is a message to ANY abuser. While I was assaulted by a man, and many people are, accepting this POS is a message to any survivor, "you are worthless and no one will believe you!"

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
88. True
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:16 PM
Sep 2018

anyone can be a victim of such an assault. Society and the powers that be have sided with the abuser and that must stop. Men are usually the criminals in these cases and we need to figure a way to stop that sense of entitlement. The Kavanaugh case will show how far we have gotten - or not.

DFW

(54,399 posts)
90. Not ever
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 04:40 PM
Sep 2018

Our next door neighbor was raped when she was about 20. She and her husband are among our best friends, and have been for the close to 20 years they have lived next to us. Just in the last year has she finally been comfortable enough to be alone in a house (ours or theirs) with me. She will not tolerate it with any other man. She was raped was over 30 years ago. For her, it might as well have been yesterday.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
92. a shattering experience
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 04:47 PM
Sep 2018

leaves the victims with the task of putting herself/himself back together. I'm glad she is comfortable with you. She is moving forward. It takes a long time and the idea that this happened long ago to dismiss it, reveals ignorance. I can't believe the repub senators today. They are already using the old playbook to try to destroy the woman.

DFW

(54,399 posts)
94. They figure:
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 04:49 PM
Sep 2018

"Hey, it worked with Anita Hill." It wouldn't surprise me to hear that Clarence Thomas has been giving oral off-the-record tips to Hatch, McConnell and Grassley.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
93. I still remember counting holes in the ceiling tiles
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 04:49 PM
Sep 2018

and never being able to count them all (I was a child and probably could not have counted that high anyway, but it was a way to mentally escape )

I do remember they were a gross dirty beige color..with water stains on them

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