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kentuck

(111,098 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:16 AM Sep 2018

Trump has boxed Rosenstein and Christopher Wray into a corner.

Either they can obey his order to release the secret information on Russia that Bruce Ohr was working on, or they can resign or they can be fired.

It's a disgraceful abuse of power when a president is willing to sacrifice national security in an attempt to save his own ass.

In the past, both Rosenstein and Wray have indicated that this would be a red line that they could not cross.

So what should they do?

In my opinion, they should not release the information that Trump is demanding. Neither should they resign from their positions. They should make Trump fire them.

And I suspect that may be his next move?

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Trump has boxed Rosenstein and Christopher Wray into a corner. (Original Post) kentuck Sep 2018 OP
A barely veiled attempt to get to Mueller through Rosenstein. Thinks it's plausible deniability lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #1
Where are the giant headlines? Saturday Night Massacre Tuesday night? Hortensis Sep 2018 #2
The M$M is complicit with Trump watoos Sep 2018 #4
media loves the clown show, brings in lots of profits elmac Sep 2018 #20
Call Trump's Bluff.... global1 Sep 2018 #3
I agree. kentuck Sep 2018 #5
The only way "Repugs" watoos Sep 2018 #7
"Gold plated cockroach" MaryMagdaline Sep 2018 #26
Trump is a Fools Goldplated Cockroach Pachamama Sep 2018 #34
+1000000!!! dewsgirl Sep 2018 #32
I think they're going to have to stand their ground and protect Ohr and the information. Texin Sep 2018 #16
Agree also...n/t ewagner Sep 2018 #17
Agree! mountain grammy Sep 2018 #23
trump would start a nuclear war if he feels it will stop the investigation Perseus Sep 2018 #6
These are treacherous times. kentuck Sep 2018 #8
You bet he would. watoos Sep 2018 #9
This is my biggest fear... Moostache Sep 2018 #19
What a terrible cloud we are under... kentuck Sep 2018 #21
they are going to go down bdamomma Sep 2018 #25
Fourth option: release it very heavily redacted. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #10
That may be a good strategy for them? kentuck Sep 2018 #11
And slow walk it. nt tblue37 Sep 2018 #18
And very, very slowly Sherman A1 Sep 2018 #12
If I remember correctly watoos Sep 2018 #13
I hadn't thought of that! EffieBlack Sep 2018 #24
Headers and footers with a block of black in between. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #27
donnie's order specifically calls for them to be released without redaction. unblock Sep 2018 #33
They should GO PUBLIC bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #14
For now they can just say "We haven't received a directive." okwmember Sep 2018 #15
This is Trump's Shallow State ignoring him again. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #28
"Shallow state"...I like that... Wounded Bear Sep 2018 #29
"Shallow State", good one! . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #30
Obstruction of Justice....this is an ongoing investigation. spanone Sep 2018 #22
Wray should resign to send a message. lancelyons Sep 2018 #31
FBI and DOJ should not release, not resign....make Trump fire them... Pachamama Sep 2018 #35
I agree with you, Pachamama! ElementaryPenguin Sep 2018 #36

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
1. A barely veiled attempt to get to Mueller through Rosenstein. Thinks it's plausible deniability
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:19 AM
Sep 2018

If you're a 3rd grader.....

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Where are the giant headlines? Saturday Night Massacre Tuesday night?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:31 AM
Sep 2018

What on earth are you basing this on? One person's desperate here, and it's not Rosenstein or Wray.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
4. The M$M is complicit with Trump
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 07:10 AM
Sep 2018

and his Republican traitors.

The media's questions won't be about the release of confidential information that will cause the exposure of sources and methods and may cost lives.

With all of the indictments and convictions and guilty pleas, Republicans, with the help of the M$M, are still trying to prove that the Mueller investigations are political, a sham.

The argument they were using about the high cost of the investigation just got shot down with the forfeitures by Manafort of his properties.

The headline from the M$M, if it was truly impartial, should be that Trump is committing impeachable offenses, that Trump is committing abuse of power, that Trump should be impeached.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
20. media loves the clown show, brings in lots of profits
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 09:19 AM
Sep 2018

they love war and disasters for the same reason. We have no true national media in this country.

global1

(25,251 posts)
3. Call Trump's Bluff....
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 07:04 AM
Sep 2018

Don't release info. Don't resign. Issue statement that indicates this is an on-going investigation & Trump is overstepping here. Put Trump in a position that he has to fire.

This is too close to the Midterms for Trump to create a 'massacre'. The Repugs should move to stop Trump from firing or they risk losing both the House & Senate because the Dems will make it a major issue for the Midterms.

Stand up to this bully & then make impotent after the Midterms when the Dems gain control. Then make life miserable for Trump with the committee's.

Stand up to Trump & the Repugs!!!!!

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
7. The only way "Repugs"
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 07:22 AM
Sep 2018

can stop Trump from firing Rosenstein, Sessions, or Mueller, is by threatening to impeach him. At this stage of the game, with Manafort and Cohen flipped, Trump is smack dab in a corner against the wall. Trump is scared shitless. His collusion with Russia is about to be exposed. His money laundering is about to be exposed. His tax fraud is about to be exposed. To add insult to injury, narcissist Trump is about to be exposed as a sexual lightweight, to put it nicely, in Stormy Daniel's upcoming book.

Trump never wanted to become president. He was happy living under his golden rock pretending to be somebody. Mueller is lifting the rock and the world will see that Donald Trump is just a gold plated cockroach.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
16. I think they're going to have to stand their ground and protect Ohr and the information.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:31 AM
Sep 2018

Let the chips fall where they will.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
8. These are treacherous times.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 07:22 AM
Sep 2018

I think this shows that he is in a panic. This is his reaction to the Manafort plea deal.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
19. This is my biggest fear...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 09:18 AM
Sep 2018

Trump is just dying to drop a nuke....if he thinks it would shield him at all, he will deploy and god help us all from there.

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
25. they are going to go down
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 10:23 AM
Sep 2018

but why should the rest of us??? for this POS tRump. Get him the hell out.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
11. That may be a good strategy for them?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 07:40 AM
Sep 2018

They could say that they did their best to follow the trump's orders, but that our national security would be threatened if the information was not redacted. Also, they could say that surely the trump does not want to sacrifice our nation's security? They could change the debate on that point.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
12. And very, very slowly
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 07:41 AM
Sep 2018

Lots of stuff to find and be sure it’s the right stuff he wanted released, could take years.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
24. I hadn't thought of that!
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 10:23 AM
Sep 2018

That's a great idea. Release it with nothing but black bars over everything but the page numbers and an occasional conjunction.

unblock

(52,243 posts)
33. donnie's order specifically calls for them to be released without redaction.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 10:51 AM
Sep 2018

releasing them heavily redacted remains an option, though donnie can then still fire them for not abiding by his order....

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
14. They should GO PUBLIC
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:09 AM
Sep 2018

If that risks being fired, so be it. They should stand up for Rule of Law. Trump cannot fire them with impunity if they go public. Trump's is a rolling coup that is dismantling the US Government. Congress is not doing its part, or at least the Republican part of Congress. Mueller is doing his bailiwick.

okwmember

(345 posts)
15. For now they can just say "We haven't received a directive."
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:17 AM
Sep 2018

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Another example of Trump's administration combining malevolence with incompetence.

Don't remember where I read it, but apparently this is the president enacting the Because I Said So Act of 2018

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
28. This is Trump's Shallow State ignoring him again.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 10:28 AM
Sep 2018


...the famous "resistance inside the Trump administration."
 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
31. Wray should resign to send a message.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 10:37 AM
Sep 2018

Wray should resign to send a message.

that is what should happen.

Slowly trump is taking over the FBI and the DOJ and making them his personal attack group.

There will have to be some large scale cleaning of the FBI and DOJ after trump is gone.

It might have to be a full blown firing of all people that supported trump. Democrats should review all text messages of all agents and get rid of all agents that supported trump.

This is why trump is dangerous.

When the COns have POLICE helping them, The US MILITARY helping them, DOJ, FBI.. it wont be long before the power in USA is strictly conservative.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
35. FBI and DOJ should not release, not resign....make Trump fire them...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 11:40 AM
Sep 2018

I bet Trump won't do it before the elections....he might ask his little demons in Congress like Nunes and others start demanding investigations....but it won't work and it will only endanger the GOP right before the elections....

Let Trump fire them....it will just be a further example and evidence of Obstruction of Justice that he can hang himself with....

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