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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:13 AM Sep 2018

Trump-proof aspects of Manafort deal rankle lawyers


Robert Mueller seems to have built in safeguards to discourage the president from pardoning Manafort.

By JOSH GERSTEIN 09/18/2018 12:13 AM EDT

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s Friday plea agreement with Paul Manafort took unusual and possibly unprecedented steps to undercut President Donald Trump’s ability to pardon his former campaign chairman.

The plea deal Mueller struck with the former Trump campaign chairman contains several provisions that appear intended to discourage the former Trump aide both from seeking a pardon and to rein in the impact of any pardon Trump might grant.

Legal experts with sweeping views of executive power and attorneys who advocate for broad use of clemency criticized what they call an effort by Mueller’s team to tie the president’s hands.

“What is most concerning to me is that Mr. Mueller, who is a part of the executive branch and is supposed to follow all of DOJ’s policies and procedures, is specifically seeking to impede the ability of the president to exercise his constitutional pardon authority,” said David Rivkin, a Justice Department official under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

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Trump-proof aspects of Manafort deal rankle lawyers (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2018 OP
Mueller seems to have brought a shotgun to a knife fight. Girard442 Sep 2018 #1
Boo Fucking Hoo...Didn't the Defendant in this case agree to this deal and and sign it? Pachamama Sep 2018 #2
Presidential Pardons SimpleC Sep 2018 #3
Carter clemency for Oscar Collazo? exboyfil Sep 2018 #8
29 years for attempted murder... SimpleC Sep 2018 #10
Murder exboyfil Sep 2018 #11
David Rivkin . . . . 'nuff said Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #4
Yup...nt SidDithers Sep 2018 #7
These are probably the same guys who pontificate that a president can't be indicted MaryMagdaline Sep 2018 #5
womp womp nt babylonsister Sep 2018 #6
The presidency is not a kingship, thus they do not have unlimited powers, unbounded by law ... SWBTATTReg Sep 2018 #9

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
2. Boo Fucking Hoo...Didn't the Defendant in this case agree to this deal and and sign it?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:25 AM
Sep 2018

Even one of the biggest Trump Humping Lawyers defending Trump (Alan Derschowitz) says in reference to Mueller's team and this plea agreement:

"They’ve gone about as far as they can go without getting up to the red line," he said. "But I don’t think they’ve crossed any red line."

 

SimpleC

(279 posts)
3. Presidential Pardons
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:25 AM
Sep 2018

The spirit of the Presidential pardon was supposed to give the President the power to pardon those that might have been unjustly convicted or given an extremely harsh sentence.

That was probably the intention of it.

trump has shown that congress may have to revisit that little caveat of Presidential power as he has shown he will abuse it and use it like spoiled child would.

 

SimpleC

(279 posts)
10. 29 years for attempted murder...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 10:16 AM
Sep 2018

I think that's enough time... by no stretch of the imagination would I consider that an abusive use of Presidential Pardon...

29 years in prison is a great deal of time...

I'm sure Jimmy Carter did it for humanitarian reasons and not to bail one of his cronies or white supremist buddies out of prison...

That example is way off ...

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
11. Murder
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 10:31 AM
Sep 2018

White House Police officer Private Leslie Coffelt, wounding of another security guard, and of course the attempted assassination of the President.



MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
5. These are probably the same guys who pontificate that a president can't be indicted
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:30 AM
Sep 2018

Screw them. Mueller’s trying to save democracy.

SWBTATTReg

(22,129 posts)
9. The presidency is not a kingship, thus they do not have unlimited powers, unbounded by law ...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:58 AM
Sep 2018

There are some that say no, that this is not true, but I disagree. When the founders split the government into 3 branches, they did so for many reasons, one of which was to limit power among the branches (and the subsequent abuses that follow, when there is unlimited power). They were looking at King George of Britain in particular when they did this, among other things that they looked at. Wise indeed.

I simply can't believe that the founders intended such abuse of presidential powers to occur (rump and his expected use of executive power). The imposition of tariffs I feel is an power that the so called president feels like he has, because there is a national security issue. The unilateral declaration of a 'national emergency' by this so called president all by himself is further proof of rumps' single mindedness to circumvent the rule of law, as it applies to him, when he breaks the law. Period.

Mueller did the right thing, rigging (and the defendant agree to the terms too) the terms of the sentencing in such a way to prevent rump, an unindicted conspirator, from further abusing executive power (using it in such a way never intended).

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