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PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 12:43 PM Sep 2018

OK, Everything has just changed re Kavanaugh. Here's what Senator Collins just wrote"


I'm writing to the Chairman & RM of Judiciary Cmte respectfully recommending that at Monday’s hearing, counsel for Prof. Ford be allocated time to question Judge Kavanaugh & counsel for the Judge be granted equal time to question Prof. Ford, followed by questions from Senators.

9:13 AM - 18 Sep 2018

Then this:

Such an approach would provide more continuity, elicit the most information & allow an in-depth examination of the allegations.

9:13 AM - 18 Sep 2018

Collins is huge here with a LOT of power. She can make or break this confirmation.

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OK, Everything has just changed re Kavanaugh. Here's what Senator Collins just wrote" (Original Post) PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 OP
She needs to put them both under oath - why not? BSdetect Sep 2018 #1
Collins is saying both Dr. Ford and Kavanaugh can have their attorneys at the hearing. PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 #2
Call her: 202.224.2523 She's up for reelection in 2020. CrispyQ Sep 2018 #3
Right on! Good for you! Call them! PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 #5
other senators' contact info Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #14
If Senator Collins gets her way (and I expect she will) I don't expect a hearing next Monday. PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 #4
If Kavanaugh is pulled and the GOP puts up Amy Barrett Dawson Leery Sep 2018 #7
Griswold too? Wealthy Republicans won't like that. yardwork Sep 2018 #15
Why would they care if we cant get contraceptives? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #30
They won't be able to get them either. yardwork Sep 2018 #36
Confused...How is openly stating you will take a position a problem for a party with no Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #31
Well played on Collin's part PatSeg Sep 2018 #6
He's be that albatross of a legacy held around her neck for the rest of her life. TheBlackAdder Sep 2018 #10
I agree PatSeg Sep 2018 #13
I can't believe anyone (other than the GOPers she always supports) shanny Sep 2018 #37
Yes, she does have that reputation PatSeg Sep 2018 #39
The other guy in the room should also testify. Repugs don't want that because... brush Sep 2018 #8
No. She needs to be calling for enough time to investigate the claim. Unfair to get Prof Ford wiggs Sep 2018 #9
I agree with you! The FBI needs to investigate this! PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 #11
And dems should ask to see the hundreds of thousands of withheld docs to see wiggs Sep 2018 #12
The FBI has zero, nada, no jurisdiction to investigate this, this is not a federal crime, john657 Sep 2018 #16
Doesn't have to be a crime. I was investigated by Hortensis Sep 2018 #18
Was this in any way related to the federal govt? john657 Sep 2018 #19
Yes. But Trump does not have to ask the FBI to Hortensis Sep 2018 #20
Here's the thing, john657 Sep 2018 #21
:) Zero. Okay. I'm only vaguely remembering comments on TV Hortensis Sep 2018 #23
Someone should hire a private investigator, preferably a former FBI john657 Sep 2018 #25
Yes, best guess that has been done? Hortensis Sep 2018 #27
If little old me could think of it, john657 Sep 2018 #28
Yes. We live in interesting times. Hortensis Sep 2018 #32
Yes,we do, john657 Sep 2018 #33
How interesting..... Bayard Sep 2018 #17
I think this is just Collins' posturing. I don't think it will happen. aikoaiko Sep 2018 #22
Could be: She sometimes likes to play reasonable, but votes party. lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #26
As in just about ALWAYS DFW Sep 2018 #34
I suspect Republicans want a lawyer to ask Ford the nasty questions Alhena Sep 2018 #24
They should get Kav's exes who were on Faux torius Sep 2018 #29
Collins knows her days (and campaign dollars) are numbered if she sides with Kavanaugh. FM123 Sep 2018 #35
If Prof. Ford doesn't agree to testify, this won't happen & Collins will vote to confirm Kaleva Sep 2018 #38
They will tell her "no", and she'll go back to her jellyfish routine jberryhill Sep 2018 #40

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
2. Collins is saying both Dr. Ford and Kavanaugh can have their attorneys at the hearing.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 12:50 PM
Sep 2018

The attorneys will question both parties and then follow up questions by the Senators.





CrispyQ

(36,469 posts)
3. Call her: 202.224.2523 She's up for reelection in 2020.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:00 PM
Sep 2018

I told her I live out of state but will send money to her Democratic challenger. I reminded her of her harsh statement on Al Franken.

Here are other names who have expressed doubt over this nominee.

(202)224-****

Collins (ME) 2523
Corker (TN) 3344
Flake (AZ) 4521
Murkowski (AK) 6665

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
4. If Senator Collins gets her way (and I expect she will) I don't expect a hearing next Monday.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:02 PM
Sep 2018

I would think there would be a delay to allow attorneys for both parties to prepare.

But I'm just guessing. The longer this drags on, the better imo. It gets us closer to the election.



Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
7. If Kavanaugh is pulled and the GOP puts up Amy Barrett
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:14 PM
Sep 2018

before the election, it will be a disaster for them.
Barrett has openly stated she will overturn Roe and Griswold.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
31. Confused...How is openly stating you will take a position a problem for a party with no
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:59 PM
Sep 2018

morals that does not care about rules?

PatSeg

(47,450 posts)
13. I agree
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:40 PM
Sep 2018

At this point in her life, I'd think her legacy would be more important than any political considerations.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
37. I can't believe anyone (other than the GOPers she always supports)
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:36 PM
Sep 2018

believes Susan Collins on anything. She's Lucy with the football. She pretends to waver and be concerned, and then falls in line.

PatSeg

(47,450 posts)
39. Yes, she does have that reputation
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:05 PM
Sep 2018

She can sound to sane and reasonable, then votes with the republicans most of the time. I think this time could be different though.

brush

(53,778 posts)
8. The other guy in the room should also testify. Repugs don't want that because...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:26 PM
Sep 2018

Kavanaugh's then buddy might not want to perjure himself before the nation by saying the attempted rape didn't happen.

Also Kav wasn't even at that party just as he said.

The repugs don't want to take that chance at all so they insisted on only two people testifying so it'll be a he said/she said, who ya gonna believe stand-off...therefore we win. Case closed.

wiggs

(7,813 posts)
9. No. She needs to be calling for enough time to investigate the claim. Unfair to get Prof Ford
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:28 PM
Sep 2018

in front of hostile senators unless congress and DOJ are willing to do the legwork on the alleged incident and both their backgrounds in the context of the incident.

They want this lady to appear reluctantly and alone in front of congress and tens of millions of people yet they won't allow further investigation beforehand so that questions can be based in reality??

This important decision will be based on a charade otherwise. I don't care who does the questioning. They will ask questions that could have been answered with research, but instead the answers will just be unverified claims...the way the gop wants it to be including collins. appearance of process without the most meaningful process steps.

having the attorney ask the questions is a way to shield the gop senators from embarrassing, viral video clips. And we can guess at the line of questioning the attorney will ask.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
11. I agree with you! The FBI needs to investigate this!
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:36 PM
Sep 2018

I believe there is a lot of information out there that will show Kavanaugh is a liar and a sexual assaulter.

And that's the last thing the ReThugs or BLOTUS want brought to light.

wiggs

(7,813 posts)
12. And dems should ask to see the hundreds of thousands of withheld docs to see
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:38 PM
Sep 2018

if they are relevant to this accusation. Record of rulings wrt women accusers, comments, private letters, etc..

If they don't get them, they should use to greatest extent the fact that the gop and wh are hiding information that may inform this dicussion.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
16. The FBI has zero, nada, no jurisdiction to investigate this, this is not a federal crime,
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:51 PM
Sep 2018

this is a state crime and the State of Maryland isn't going to investigate a 35 year old allegation of sexual assault, too much time has passed and witnesses' memories tend to get hazy and unreliable.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Doesn't have to be a crime. I was investigated by
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:01 PM
Sep 2018

the FBI a couple times just computer searches of tax, financial records, state databases, that kind of thing, as part of licensing procedures. My husband's top secret security clearance, though, required in person interviews with neighbors, coworkers, actual investigation of tax records, family background, and frankly I have no idea what else. If any questions arose, they would have been investigated. Far more than this is appropriate for someone being considered for a lifetime appointment to our highest court.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
19. Was this in any way related to the federal govt?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:07 PM
Sep 2018

Even a private sector job with federal contracts is subject to an FBI background check, but a state crime is not.

Trump has to order the FBI to look into it, which we all know he won't, ergo, the FBI's hands are tied.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Yes. But Trump does not have to ask the FBI to
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:09 PM
Sep 2018

complete their background check on a SCOTUS nominee if they find something was left undone.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
21. Here's the thing,
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:14 PM
Sep 2018

the FBI has already closed the background investigation and handed the results to the WH, along with the letter Feinstein gave to them, the FBI has come out and said that unless the WH, IE: Trump, asks for them to investigate this further, they can't take any action.

What are the chances that Trump is going to do that?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. :) Zero. Okay. I'm only vaguely remembering comments on TV
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:40 PM
Sep 2018

about other ways of getting information, rather than actual investigation, anyway. Time is limited, and no doubt Repubs would have been racing to close down all intragovernmental possibilities as fast as possible. Certainly the senate judicial committee isn't one.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
25. Someone should hire a private investigator, preferably a former FBI
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:45 PM
Sep 2018

agent, to look into this allegation.
That's one way around Donny's refusal to allow the FBI to formally follow up on this allegation.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
28. If little old me could think of it,
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:52 PM
Sep 2018

then I'm sure someone in the Democrat Party has already done it.

Not to sure of the press, but we'll see.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Yes. We live in interesting times.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:00 PM
Sep 2018

The NYT and AP did severely smash journalistic standards to help defeat Democrats in 2016, and outstandingly Hillary, so I'm not too sure of them on this either. But this is big. I'm assuming the press are swarming.

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
22. I think this is just Collins' posturing. I don't think it will happen.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:38 PM
Sep 2018

Do we really want a mouthpiece for Kavannaugh tearing about Ford on TV when all Kavannaugh has to say is "it wasn't me" ?

It could work out great, but it could be a disaster.




DFW

(54,384 posts)
34. As in just about ALWAYS
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:13 PM
Sep 2018

Collins is Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown. She does it every time, and Charlie Brown is always surprised. The only one who should trust Collins is McConnell.

For Collins to vote against confirmation (assuming Kavanawful doesn't pull out beforehand), a couple of other Republicans would have to lead the way (e.g. Flake and one other, though I hold out little hope of Corker or Murkowski, and don't know who else there is who is not on McTurtle's leash). Collins will NEVER lead on this. She is a follower, never a leader. Crucially, endangered red state Democrats like Heitkamp and Donnelly will vote to confirm if they see a solid Republican faction making it a lock. Heitkamp and Donnelly will vote no IF they see that it will lock in that result.

Alhena

(3,030 posts)
24. I suspect Republicans want a lawyer to ask Ford the nasty questions
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:44 PM
Sep 2018

So no Republican politician has to.

torius

(1,652 posts)
29. They should get Kav's exes who were on Faux
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:57 PM
Sep 2018

They interviewed two of them from Faux News. One said she dated him briefly I think in college and was still friends with him and he walks on water. The other one seemed less conservative and to have some stories to tell. She dated him in high school and said they drank beer together, then she quickly said they were 18 so it was legal. She said she knew who Christine Ford was back then. So she could maybe testify that he knew Ford as well since pro-Kavs are claiming he may never have met Ford. This ex ought to be deposed.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
35. Collins knows her days (and campaign dollars) are numbered if she sides with Kavanaugh.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:50 PM
Sep 2018

"As of this writing, the campaign has raised a stunning $1,014,940.00 with every dollar earmarked for Collins’ eventual Democratic opponent if Collins fails, in the words of the campaign, “to stand up for the people of Maine and for Americans across the country” by voting against Kavanaugh’s confirmation."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/group-raises-nearly-dollar1m-for-susan-collins-nonexistent-opponent-if-she-votes-to-confirm-brett-kavanaugh

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