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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 12:46 PM Sep 2018

Kavanaugh Spokesperson - Oh so we've gone from not at the party to rough horseplay????

Kavanaugh spokesperson/activist says it's not clear that the incident was attempted rape as opposed to just "rough horseplay".

Interesting and perhaps disturbing moment a short time ago as Carrie Severino, spokesperson of the Judicial Crisis Network, was interviewed on CNN. The JCN is the central campaign arm for Republican judicial nominations. The Federalist Society grooms and chooses the nominees. The JCN runs the campaigns, runs political ads in Senators’ states, as necessary. Here Severino argues that it’s not clear that what Ford describes wasn’t simply “rough horse play” as opposed to attempted rape.


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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/rough-horse-play
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Kavanaugh Spokesperson - Oh so we've gone from not at the party to rough horseplay???? (Original Post) kpete Sep 2018 OP
"Rough horseplay" the physical counterpart to "locker room talk" (nt) JaneQPublic Sep 2018 #1
It seems like the excuse might be "evolving" much like the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians. TheBlackAdder Sep 2018 #26
Rough Horseplay --- sorta like tickling Mad-in-Mo Sep 2018 #40
Therefor, he did do something to her, but hey, it was not bad at all . . . Iliyah Sep 2018 #2
I really want to smack people who say shit like that. Solly Mack Sep 2018 #3
Even more when you see more about her role. See my post #30. suffragette Sep 2018 #33
Smack repeatedly. Solly Mack Sep 2018 #34
Think I might post that as an OP. First noticed them in the Guardian article. Now they're sending suffragette Sep 2018 #36
upside the head with a clue by four. - n/t lapfog_1 Sep 2018 #59
Ha! I like that! Solly Mack Sep 2018 #87
Please proceed! WestMichRad Sep 2018 #69
They really do. Solly Mack Sep 2018 #88
I'd like to say I'm shocked by that, but no. Nt BootinUp Sep 2018 #4
Sounds like rough horseshit. nt Xipe Totec Sep 2018 #5
Trump's hoof prints all over that story. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #73
I mean how dumb is that? qazplm135 Sep 2018 #6
Really dumb PatSeg Sep 2018 #22
Liars will do that, try to FIX it ChubbyStar Sep 2018 #43
Yes PatSeg Sep 2018 #45
Hush darling ChubbyStar Sep 2018 #49
Ah yes, that is true PatSeg Sep 2018 #53
I am paying you some mind ChubbyStar Sep 2018 #79
Thanks PatSeg Sep 2018 #85
Little words and obfuscation, in this case. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #75
I have zero respect for anyone who identifies as a republican. CrispyQ Sep 2018 #7
+1000 Sunny Daze Sep 2018 #13
Yeah. Johonny Sep 2018 #35
So he lied about not being at the party?? honest.abe Sep 2018 #8
Yup yup, game over!! I love it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #80
"She wanted it. We were horsing around." What a disgusting load of horse shit. nolabear Sep 2018 #9
Too late... the lie's been told. He's toast!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #82
His resignation will be offered before Friday. Guaranteed. MoonRiver Sep 2018 #10
I agree. Even Trump won't talk to him. GreatCaesarsGhost Sep 2018 #25
Not a chance. BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #42
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. volstork Sep 2018 #58
while it might be easy to find another judge willing to overturn Roe v. Wade lapfog_1 Sep 2018 #64
Your last line is the only one that actually matters. Dictator privileges. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #76
That's how I see it... and I couldn't be happier. Now let's take the Senate!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #83
Horse play ? magicarpet Sep 2018 #11
Lots of garbage people willing to pick up the trash though ChubbyStar Sep 2018 #47
Summa cum laude,... @ Fux Snooz magicarpet Sep 2018 #71
Scumma cum loudly lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #77
Oh My ChubbyStar Sep 2018 #78
"I didn't do it." "I wasn't even there." "I was just kidding around." No way, Raven Sep 2018 #12
Can you walk back a categorical denial under oath? gratuitous Sep 2018 #14
He'll say she begged for it lunatica Sep 2018 #18
did the judicial committee ask him about the rape accusations? alp227 Sep 2018 #84
Yeah, rough horseplay. Drunken rough horseplay, and she wasn't playing. Jim__ Sep 2018 #15
What the hell happened? Hav Sep 2018 #16
BS...."rough horseplay" that you need therapy for? HipChick Sep 2018 #17
Sadly that isn't surprising mythology Sep 2018 #29
That escalated quickly! htuttle Sep 2018 #19
Pretty soon it will be this maxrandb Sep 2018 #20
That Seals It For Me.... global1 Sep 2018 #21
She isn't a horse. Cracklin Charlie Sep 2018 #23
Horseplay matt819 Sep 2018 #24
Never did anything like that, ever. Ms. Toad Sep 2018 #27
Is she really his spokesperson?? nt B2G Sep 2018 #28
not sure, but here is more info kpete Sep 2018 #39
In other words, did he consent to this spoksperson? Hekate Sep 2018 #62
Judicial Crisis Network. Same ones who created the pro-Kavanaugh letter signed by 65 women suffragette Sep 2018 #30
Great research PJMcK Sep 2018 #60
Thank you! Posted as an OP now so people would be aware. suffragette Sep 2018 #66
I was NOT in the room with that woman aeromanKC Sep 2018 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Sep 2018 #32
"Affluenza" didn't work for the first guy that tried to poo-poo it, Totally Tunsie Sep 2018 #37
Why didn't K pin his buddy Mark to the bed then? spooky3 Sep 2018 #38
I was listening to Bloomberg this morning and someone described the incident as an attempt to take Glimmer of Hope Sep 2018 #41
Horses do that all the time, right? lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #81
rough horseplay WHAT??????? bdamomma Sep 2018 #44
That's what Joe Paterno called it when his assistant coach was raping children. yardwork Sep 2018 #46
Isn't that how all these stories go? Adrahil Sep 2018 #48
K&R UTUSN Sep 2018 #50
NOTHING they do matters to them, now RAPE is ok. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #51
that isn't an innocent term. it's *exactly* what someone caught attempting rape would call it. unblock Sep 2018 #52
Ok, then. Shooting someone in the head is just "reckless target practice"! n/t Eyeball_Kid Sep 2018 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Sep 2018 #55
I graduated from an all girls boarding school Rhiannon12866 Sep 2018 #70
She is most definitely Separation Sep 2018 #56
Next they'll say he's the victim torius Sep 2018 #57
Boys will be boys! Yeesh, it makes my skin crawl. redstatebluegirl Sep 2018 #61
Well, now...I'm not a legal eagle, but I would advise Kavanaugh and "friends" to put down the darts. Frustratedlady Sep 2018 #63
Why do WOMEN volstork Sep 2018 #65
Did Kellyanne Conway implant herself in this woman's thought-speech capacities? VOX Sep 2018 #67
They really should coordinate their responses NastyRiffraff Sep 2018 #68
Judicial Crisis Network - a refreshingly honest name. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #72
Didn't he deny it ever happened. I call BS iluvtennis Sep 2018 #74
Anyone here remember..... dawnie51 Sep 2018 #86
Seriously, WTF. Laying the groundwork for his admission JDC Sep 2018 #89
Hard to believe these people actually practice law ThoughtCriminal Sep 2018 #90

Mad-in-Mo

(229 posts)
40. Rough Horseplay --- sorta like tickling
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:51 PM
Sep 2018

way past the time the person says NO. It gets out of hand because the instigator can't understand what NO means.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
36. Think I might post that as an OP. First noticed them in the Guardian article. Now they're sending
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:39 PM
Sep 2018

out their top people in a PR push to defend Kavanaugh/ muddy the issue.

WestMichRad

(1,325 posts)
69. Please proceed!
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:06 PM
Sep 2018

You have my permission. The target here certainly deserves a stiff dope slap, at a minimum.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
73. Trump's hoof prints all over that story.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:24 PM
Sep 2018

It's going to take a lot of people with pitchforks to clear away the giant manure pile at the White House.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
6. I mean how dumb is that?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 12:52 PM
Sep 2018

Your only response is...it didn't happen, he categorically denies it, end of story.

To say anything else is really dumb.

PatSeg

(47,482 posts)
22. Really dumb
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:09 PM
Sep 2018

Sounds like something Giuliani would say. When will these people learn to just shut the hell up? They only make things worse when they try to fix it.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
43. Liars will do that, try to FIX it
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:54 PM
Sep 2018

They believe they are too clever to get caught, so they layer on the bullshit, thinking big words and obfuscation will bolster their initial lie. It often works, especially if they are lying to someone they have bullied before. Kavanaugh is in some deep shit here.

PatSeg

(47,482 posts)
45. Yes
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:58 PM
Sep 2018

Trying to fix lies with more lies. In a time when we are bombarded with breaking news 24/7, keeping quiet could be the best strategy. Often less is more.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
49. Hush darling
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:05 PM
Sep 2018

Don't tell them what we know, let them go about their business. Loose lips sink ships and all that.

PatSeg

(47,482 posts)
53. Ah yes, that is true
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:21 PM
Sep 2018

Though I don't think they'll be paying me any mind! Their arrogance tends to blind them from anything resembling the truth.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
75. Little words and obfuscation, in this case.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:26 PM
Sep 2018

And...I doubt anybody in TrumpWorld could spell "obfuscation."

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
7. I have zero respect for anyone who identifies as a republican.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 12:53 PM
Sep 2018

Anyone who still supports this party is a deplorable. Also, they'll never gain my respect back.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
10. His resignation will be offered before Friday. Guaranteed.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 12:54 PM
Sep 2018

No way does that psycho want to testify under oath about this.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
42. Not a chance.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:54 PM
Sep 2018

“There has been no talk within the ranks about pulling the nomination and going with an equally conservative—if not less controversial—pick, even if it would remove a major complication from the Republican agenda just 50 days before the midterm elections. To do so, aides and operatives insist, would be a disaster of much greater magnitude: inviting Democrats to launch more aggressive challenges to future judicial nominees and depressing the very base of conservative voters needed in November.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-if-we-ditch-kavanaugh-were-signing-our-own-death-warrant?ref=home

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
64. while it might be easy to find another judge willing to overturn Roe v. Wade
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:36 PM
Sep 2018

and who is on the Federalist Society "good guys" list.

It might be hard to find another one ready to uphold dictator privileges for the President.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
76. Your last line is the only one that actually matters. Dictator privileges.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:28 PM
Sep 2018

And Brat Kavanaugh knows a thing or two about privilege.

magicarpet

(14,154 posts)
11. Horse play ?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 12:59 PM
Sep 2018

Bull shit = Horse play = Bull shit !

Totally and absolutely devoid of character and self awareness. A hollow and vacant soul.

This type of trash does not belong on the Supreme Court.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
47. Lots of garbage people willing to pick up the trash though
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:01 PM
Sep 2018

How low does a person have to sink to be a partner in this filth? Looks like plenty of them are willing. Did they all come from the same scuzzy pod?

Raven

(13,891 posts)
12. "I didn't do it." "I wasn't even there." "I was just kidding around." No way,
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:02 PM
Sep 2018

if this is his position now, that he survives this.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. Can you walk back a categorical denial under oath?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:03 PM
Sep 2018

Remember that Kavanaugh has already testified, under oath, to the Judiciary Committee, that nothing of the sort happened, he wasn't there, and neither was his buddy Mark. Now we're on "rough horseplay"? Tell us more: What was the safe word?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. He'll say she begged for it
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:06 PM
Sep 2018

Isn’t that the usual third explanation?

I didn’t do it

I was just kidding

She asked for it

Jim__

(14,077 posts)
15. Yeah, rough horseplay. Drunken rough horseplay, and she wasn't playing.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:03 PM
Sep 2018

But, y'know, boys will be boys.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
16. What the hell happened?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:03 PM
Sep 2018

Nowadays, not one day passes where you don't want to throw up at the offensive and insane stuff that seems acceptable today. If you go down this route, you need to have such a rotten soul.
There is one central difference between the accusations and playing around: consent.

If you find yourself on the side that is so desperate for reasons to excuse attempted rape, you have lost and you need to reconsider. And I wish an interviewer would simply ask those creeps what they would do if their own young child would tell them a similar story. Would they ask their child whether they might have just mistaken it for rough horseplay? Or that the child should still consider the otherwise nice character of the attacker? This is such insane nonsense.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
29. Sadly that isn't surprising
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:28 PM
Sep 2018

People are really good at justifying things to themselves. There was a recent study that found about 1 in 3 college men said they would "force" a woman to have sex but about 1 in 8 if the word "rape" was used instead.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
19. That escalated quickly!
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:06 PM
Sep 2018

Are there other witnesses to the incident that have recently come to light?

global1

(25,251 posts)
21. That Seals It For Me....
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:07 PM
Sep 2018

He'll withdraw his name from nomination before Monday. Even Trump seems to be distancing himself from Kavanaugh now.

The only thing that can prevent his withdrawing is that Ford refuses to show for the Monday inquisition. Then the Repugs will say - it was all an 11th hour attempt to knock out Kavanaugh and it was a bogus accusation. They'll say her not testifying is proof that it was all made up and then they would proceed with the confirmation.

But still my money is on his withdrawing before Monday.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
24. Horseplay
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:14 PM
Sep 2018

of any kind is the kind of stuff that happens on the playground when you're 7-year-old boys, and the worst that happens is a bloody nose, some scrapes, and the boys perfectly happy with life.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
27. Never did anything like that, ever.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:19 PM
Sep 2018

Not at that party (even though the party was not specifically identified).

It was just rough horseplay.

What's next - she consented to the rough horseplay?

Hekate

(90,705 posts)
62. In other words, did he consent to this spoksperson?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:35 PM
Sep 2018

Yeah, I'd say that was implid consent, since her org is an arm of the Federalist Society.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
30. Judicial Crisis Network. Same ones who created the pro-Kavanaugh letter signed by 65 women
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:30 PM
Sep 2018

and who launched a ‘confirm Kavanaugh’ website and ads for him. It’s looking more and more like they knew there was a chance of something like this coming out and had prepared for countering it. And of course, they are funded by dark money.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/17/brett-kavanaugh-accuser-testify-senate-committee

The White House has sought to cast Kavanaugh as a champion for women. As the Ford allegation surfaced late last week, initially anonymously, a pro-Kavanaugh letter was published, signed by 65 women who said he had always “behaved honorably and treated women with respect”.

The letter appears to have been orchestrated by confirmkavanaugh.com, a website funded by the Judicial Crisis Network, a group that relies upon undisclosed donations and backs conservatives for judgeships.


https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Judicial_Crisis_Network
The Judicial Crisis Network (JCN, formerly the Judicial Confirmation Network) is an advocacy organization that advances a right-wing legal agenda and uses undisclosed dark money "issue ads" to influence state and federal judicial appointments and elections. JCN also directs millions in funding to other dark money groups such as Wisconsin Club for Growth and American Future Fund that spend large amounts in state-level Supreme Court and Attorney General races, as well as other down-ticket races.[1]

JCN is registered with the IRS as a 501(c)(4) nonprofit. JCN does not disclose its funders, but all of its reported revenue in 2012 and 2013 came from large contributions of more than $10,000, and contributions of more than $1 million providing more than 80 percent of JCN's total revenue in both years.

~~~

"Seven Figure" Campaign to Obstruct Appointing Justice Scalia's Replacement

"Let the People Decide" ad highlighting Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
In February 2016 JCN launched "a seven figure television, radio and digital advertising campaign" that would support seven Republican U.S. Senators who were trying to block hearings on any candidate President Obama nominated to fill the Supreme Court seat left vacant after Justice Antonin Scalia's death. Titled "Let the People Decide," the campaign asserts that the seat should only be filled by the next President. The ads were to run in Washington, DC and the media markets covering Senators "Kelly Ayotte (NH), Chuck Grassley (IA), Ron Johnson (WI), John McCain (AZ), Mitch McConnell (KY), Rob Portman (OH), and Pat Toomey (PA)."[15] All but McConnell were up for re-election; McConnell was still serving as the Senate Majority Leader



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Severino
Carrie Severino is an American lawyer. She serves as chief counsel and policy director at the Judicial Crisis Network, a conservative legal organization.[3][4] She was previously a law clerk to United States Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and to Judge David B. Sentelle of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.[5] She is a contributor to National Review.[6][7]

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
31. I was NOT in the room with that woman
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:31 PM
Sep 2018

but if I was, she attacked me. I'm not the aggressor, she's the aggressor.

Response to kpete (Original post)

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
37. "Affluenza" didn't work for the first guy that tried to poo-poo it,
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:42 PM
Sep 2018

and it won't work for Kavanaugh either.

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
41. I was listening to Bloomberg this morning and someone described the incident as an attempt to take
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:52 PM
Sep 2018

off her clothes.

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
44. rough horseplay WHAT???????
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:54 PM
Sep 2018

the victim had her mouth covered while loud music was playing, WTF!!! in an attempted rape with another person there in attendance.

Rough horseplay???? WTF. Is this a boys will be boys thing, fuck that.

yardwork

(61,622 posts)
46. That's what Joe Paterno called it when his assistant coach was raping children.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:58 PM
Sep 2018

"Just horsing around in the locker room" or something like that. Didn't end well.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
48. Isn't that how all these stories go?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:03 PM
Sep 2018

It's from the Trump playbook.

The next step is to claim that she was pursuing HIM, but he spurned her, so she made up these accusations.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
51. NOTHING they do matters to them, now RAPE is ok.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:13 PM
Sep 2018

I say ENOUGH

Anybody with me?

Anybody else sick of their country being taken over by nazi filth and PUTIN?

Response to kpete (Original post)

Rhiannon12866

(205,428 posts)
70. I graduated from an all girls boarding school
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:16 PM
Sep 2018

We also had a "brother" school where I did take one class, but I couldn't name 65 boys - then or now!

Separation

(1,975 posts)
56. She is most definitely
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:24 PM
Sep 2018

Suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Side effects may include, lying, racism, dry mouth and explosive mouth diarrhea.

torius

(1,652 posts)
57. Next they'll say he's the victim
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:33 PM
Sep 2018

of Mark Judge's attempted rape and he jumped on her to try to protect her!

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
61. Boys will be boys! Yeesh, it makes my skin crawl.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:34 PM
Sep 2018

What if that happened to one of his daughters, would he tell her to stop crying it is just "horseplay"????

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
63. Well, now...I'm not a legal eagle, but I would advise Kavanaugh and "friends" to put down the darts.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:36 PM
Sep 2018

It sounds like you are throwing darts to see what will stick in the bulls-eye!

I've been running errands with MSNBC on the radio. While moving from one place to another, I've heard:

1. Kavanaugh doesn't remember her.
2. Kavanaugh doesn't think he ever went to the party.
3. Kavanaugh doesn't think he ever met her socially or otherwise.
4. Kavanaugh now thinks it was "rough horseplay"?

Is attempting to take off ones swimsuit part of horseplay? Was he "riding" the horsey? Did the horsey say "Neigh"...maybe "Nyet"?

All he needs now is for Ghouliani to advise him.

Get this guy out of consideration. I'd guess he is about to lose his chance for a lifetime job, his old job, his wife and family. What a jerk!


WOW! We're having our own mini-hurricane w/wind and sheets of water.

volstork

(5,401 posts)
65. Why do WOMEN
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:37 PM
Sep 2018

continue to shill for these assholes? Like 99% of us, I’m sure she has had the experience of unwelcome remarks, touching, innuendo, or worse. Does she not know what it feels like? Does she not remember?

VOX

(22,976 posts)
67. Did Kellyanne Conway implant herself in this woman's thought-speech capacities?
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:53 PM
Sep 2018

It’s the same wild-ride, gish-galloping style, with the bomb tucked smack in the middle. So Conwayesque, it’s uncanny.

Horseplay, locker-room talk, no collusion, well-oiled machine, the best people, “Electoral College landslide,” on both sides, her emails, closed door w/Putin, WHEN DOES IT STOP?

At this point, I now cannot tolerate any Republican in any office ever again. Their either crazy, or silent, which is worse.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
68. They really should coordinate their responses
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:04 PM
Sep 2018

Which is it:

He was not at the party;
He was at the party but it was just "rough horseplay"
He may have been at the party but nothing happened.
He doesn't remember. Anything. What's Georgetown Prep

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
72. Judicial Crisis Network - a refreshingly honest name.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:22 PM
Sep 2018

They are doing exactly what their name says they'll do.

dawnie51

(959 posts)
86. Anyone here remember.....
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:58 PM
Sep 2018

Robert Chambers, the "preppie killer" from the late 80s in NYC? Jennifer Levin was killed and his defense was "rough play". It didn't work for him, and it won't work here either.

JDC

(10,128 posts)
89. Seriously, WTF. Laying the groundwork for his admission
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:55 PM
Sep 2018

This type of "excuse making" is the shittiest form of humanity I can think of.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
90. Hard to believe these people actually practice law
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:46 PM
Sep 2018

I know it's not all "Perry Mason", but sheesh - never hire one of these idiots.

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