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demmiblue

(36,860 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:49 PM Sep 2018

Sean Penn Says Spirit of #MeToo Movement Is to 'Divide Men and Women'

Sean Penn offered his thoughts on the #MeToo movement, saying the spirit of it is “to divide men and women.”

Penn was on NBC’s “Today” on Monday morning with Natascha McElhone to discuss their new Hulu series “The First.” McElhone said the show’s strong female characters were informed by the #MeToo movement. Penn disagreed.

“I’d like to think that none of it was influenced by what they call the movement of #MeToo,” he said. “I think it’s influenced by the things that are developing in terms of the empowerment of women who’ve been acknowledging each other and being acknowledged by men. This is a movement that was largely shouldered by a kind of receptacle of the salacious.”

When asked to elaborate, Penn said, “Well, we don’t know what’s a fact in many of the cases. Salacious is as soon as you call something a movement that is really a series of many individual accusers, victims, accusations, some of which are unfounded. The spirit of much of what has been the #MeToo movement is to divide men and women.”

“Today” co-host Natalie Morales responded saying, “Women would say it’s uniting women,” to which Penn replied, “I’m gonna say that women that I talk to, not in front of a camera, that I listen to, of all walks of life, that there’s a common sense that is not represented at all in the discussion when it comes to the media discussion of it. The discussion where if Sean Penn says this, so and so’s going to attack him for saying this, because of that.”

...

Despite Penn’s remarks, McElhone said the cast spoke about the movement “a great deal” on set.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/sean-penn-me-too-movement-1202944057/


Thank you, Ms. McElhone. Apparently, Penn didn't hear your voice.
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Sean Penn Says Spirit of #MeToo Movement Is to 'Divide Men and Women' (Original Post) demmiblue Sep 2018 OP
He and Norm MacDonald would get along great. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #1
Penn's comment is idiotic. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #2
Penn is such an ass!! Obvious where he's coming from. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #6
That's exactly what white supremacists say. yardwork Sep 2018 #7
Sarandon / types ! stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #3
STFU Sean. Raster Sep 2018 #4
Sean Penn is not the enemy Johnny2X2X Sep 2018 #5
Fuck him... he doesn't get a pass. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #8
He's an actor. MicaelS Sep 2018 #11
WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF SEAN PENN????? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2018 #10
He's an idiot.... Adrahil Sep 2018 #13
You know he beat the crap out of Madonna and tried to kill her right? maryellen99 Sep 2018 #21
Isn't that the spirit of sexual harassment/abuse? lame54 Sep 2018 #9
Wait so PoorMonger Sep 2018 #12
He went on to say... chowder66 Sep 2018 #14
Ummm. No. Ms. Toad Sep 2018 #15
Sounds like Separation Sep 2018 #16
For all the good he's done, this is shameful. VOX Sep 2018 #17
He hit Madonna with a baseball bat, tied her to chair. bettyellen Sep 2018 #18
Good god, that's incredibly depraved and savage. VOX Sep 2018 #24
He had been known to have rage issues, punched a paparazzi... someone said Madonna bettyellen Sep 2018 #25
The all-too-common scenario. VOX Sep 2018 #31
He needs to get lost. Whatta jerk. An abuser himself..... apcalc Sep 2018 #19
If by "divide men and women" NastyRiffraff Sep 2018 #20
Abusers gotta protect each other, amirite? MrsCoffee Sep 2018 #22
A good reply in the twitter thread: MrsCoffee Sep 2018 #23
Shut up Sean! smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #26
Says a man with a very public history of abuse. nt Laffy Kat Sep 2018 #27
He has been abusive to Madonna, Robin Wright, and Charlize Theron obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #28
Gee I wonder why he's divorced? realmirage Sep 2018 #29
hey Penn DonCoquixote Sep 2018 #30
Another old white guy who doesn't get that its not about him. milestogo Sep 2018 #32
Sean Penn has always been a massive douche. Oneironaut Sep 2018 #33

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. Penn's comment is idiotic.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 01:51 PM
Sep 2018

Apply his "reasoning" to civil rights. Was the civil rights movement an attempt to divide Americans?

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
5. Sean Penn is not the enemy
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:05 PM
Sep 2018

Penn has been an ally to the left, his thinking on this is wrong IMO, but that doesn't make him the enemy.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
8. Fuck him... he doesn't get a pass.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:07 PM
Sep 2018

And btw, not accusing him of being the "enemy"... more like a phoney if you ask me.

PoorMonger

(844 posts)
12. Wait so
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:17 PM
Sep 2018

The author of ‘Bob Honey Who Just Do Stuff’ has shit opinions on social issues ? Yeah he fucking does. He whined about MeToo in that garbage ‘novel’ too but people forgot because they couldn’t stop laughing at its astounding ability to be both extremely pretentious yet startlingly incoherent at the same time

chowder66

(9,070 posts)
14. He went on to say...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:20 PM
Sep 2018

“I don’t want it to be a trend, and I’m very suspicious of a movement that gets glommed onto, in great stridency and rage, and without nuance. Even when people try to discuss it in a nuanced way, the nuance itself is attacked.”

Morales asked Penn if the #MeToo movement had gotten too big.

“I think it’s too black and white,” he responded. “In most things that are very important, it’s really good to just slow down.”


McElhone states

“I think what Sean was maybe alluding to is this sort of bubble of actors or people who are in magazines that have gotten a lot of attention from this,” she said. “Of course, it’s terrific that they’ve put a spotlight on it. But now, it’s we need to go to the places where this is happening behind closed doors, and it’s not exposed and those voices aren’t being heard.”

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
15. Ummm. No.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:22 PM
Sep 2018

The magic of the #MeToo movement was that so many men saw women in their lives post their stories of sexual abuse - largely without a named offender. Just the stories.

That delinking from specific male personalities finally allowed men to focus on women and to support them without the knee-jerk defensive posture that almost always accompanies stories that name someone they can envision as similar to themselves.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
16. Sounds like
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:26 PM
Sep 2018

He has a guilty conscience for the way he treated women when he was younger. Doesnt surprise me.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
17. For all the good he's done, this is shameful.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 02:29 PM
Sep 2018

Penn is NOT the guy to talk about women, or relationships with women. I recall some highly volatile times in the past with Madonna, and he recently burned through a quick something-or-other with actress Charlize Theron. He obviously can’t maintain a relationship, long-or-short term.

He’s been a brilliant actor, and has curbed his ego to help during Katrina and the earthquake relief effort in Haiti.

But on the subject of women and #MeToo, he is uniquely UNQUALIFIED to offer a rational opinion.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
24. Good god, that's incredibly depraved and savage.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:26 PM
Sep 2018

Talk about rage issues, it’s a wonder that he hasn’t killed someone. It’s an equivalent wonder that he’s still alive. (Meaning, that someone didn’t strike back hard, in one form or another.)

I caught Penn on Colbert earlier this year when he was pushing that awful “Bob Honey” mess of a book. He was visibly shaking (hands and face), and chain-smoked through the interview. I thought then that this guy is about one or two minor setbacks away from a total nervous collapse.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
25. He had been known to have rage issues, punched a paparazzi... someone said Madonna
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:54 PM
Sep 2018

Was unrecognizable after her beating. Years later she called him “the love of her life” and was more coy about the accusations but others weren’t as willing to bury it. She was hospitalized. Yet in the end she didn’t want to ruin his career. Sound familiar?

VOX

(22,976 posts)
31. The all-too-common scenario.
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 08:29 AM
Sep 2018

The man does the battering, the woman tries to cover for him, or drops any charges to “protect” him. The woman could die from internal bleeding, and the man just walks.

I do remember well his various altercations with photographers, yanking away their cameras, punching them out, etc. which of course only “feeds” the paparazzi, and makes them want to take more photos of his meltdowns— “if it bleeds, it leads,” etc.

All that anger in that man. He’s been thrown in jail multiple for his lack of self-control. He could do thousands of hours in the slammer or performing community service, but that reservoir of rage goes unaddressed (or so it appears).

It’s one thing to be self-loathing, but turning those impulses outward only brings literal pain to others, not to mention the lifetime emotional trauma left in its wake.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
20. If by "divide men and women"
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:08 PM
Sep 2018

he means that men shouldn't forcibly hold down women and rape them, then, yes, he's right.

I don't think he means that, though.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
23. A good reply in the twitter thread:
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 03:13 PM
Sep 2018




David Herold
@Daveofdeadair
You are right #seanpenn, the #metoo movement does separate men and women. It separates abusive men from non abusive men so woman have a clear choice on who they support and spend their time with.

7:00 AM - Sep 17, 2018

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
28. He has been abusive to Madonna, Robin Wright, and Charlize Theron
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:10 PM
Sep 2018

And is known to be a jerk.

He can STFU

Oneironaut

(5,500 posts)
33. Sean Penn has always been a massive douche.
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 08:38 AM
Sep 2018

I can’t stand him in movies or in real life, even if he says things I agree with. I’m not surprised he hates the #MeToo movement.

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