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Penn was on NBCs Today on Monday morning with Natascha McElhone to discuss their new Hulu series The First. McElhone said the shows strong female characters were informed by the #MeToo movement. Penn disagreed.
Id like to think that none of it was influenced by what they call the movement of #MeToo, he said. I think its influenced by the things that are developing in terms of the empowerment of women whove been acknowledging each other and being acknowledged by men. This is a movement that was largely shouldered by a kind of receptacle of the salacious.
When asked to elaborate, Penn said, Well, we dont know whats a fact in many of the cases. Salacious is as soon as you call something a movement that is really a series of many individual accusers, victims, accusations, some of which are unfounded. The spirit of much of what has been the #MeToo movement is to divide men and women.
Today co-host Natalie Morales responded saying, Women would say its uniting women, to which Penn replied, Im gonna say that women that I talk to, not in front of a camera, that I listen to, of all walks of life, that theres a common sense that is not represented at all in the discussion when it comes to the media discussion of it. The discussion where if Sean Penn says this, so and sos going to attack him for saying this, because of that.
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Despite Penns remarks, McElhone said the cast spoke about the movement a great deal on set.
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/sean-penn-me-too-movement-1202944057/
Thank you, Ms. McElhone. Apparently, Penn didn't hear your voice.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Apply his "reasoning" to civil rights. Was the civil rights movement an attempt to divide Americans?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)yardwork
(61,622 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)Penn has been an ally to the left, his thinking on this is wrong IMO, but that doesn't make him the enemy.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)And btw, not accusing him of being the "enemy"... more like a phoney if you ask me.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Many of them are idiots.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,355 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)He was also Hugo Chavez's best buddy. That alone is proof of his idiocy.
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)lame54
(35,292 posts)PoorMonger
(844 posts)The author of Bob Honey Who Just Do Stuff has shit opinions on social issues ? Yeah he fucking does. He whined about MeToo in that garbage novel too but people forgot because they couldnt stop laughing at its astounding ability to be both extremely pretentious yet startlingly incoherent at the same time
chowder66
(9,070 posts)I dont want it to be a trend, and Im very suspicious of a movement that gets glommed onto, in great stridency and rage, and without nuance. Even when people try to discuss it in a nuanced way, the nuance itself is attacked.
Morales asked Penn if the #MeToo movement had gotten too big.
I think its too black and white, he responded. In most things that are very important, its really good to just slow down.
McElhone states
I think what Sean was maybe alluding to is this sort of bubble of actors or people who are in magazines that have gotten a lot of attention from this, she said. Of course, its terrific that theyve put a spotlight on it. But now, its we need to go to the places where this is happening behind closed doors, and its not exposed and those voices arent being heard.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)The magic of the #MeToo movement was that so many men saw women in their lives post their stories of sexual abuse - largely without a named offender. Just the stories.
That delinking from specific male personalities finally allowed men to focus on women and to support them without the knee-jerk defensive posture that almost always accompanies stories that name someone they can envision as similar to themselves.
Separation
(1,975 posts)He has a guilty conscience for the way he treated women when he was younger. Doesnt surprise me.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Penn is NOT the guy to talk about women, or relationships with women. I recall some highly volatile times in the past with Madonna, and he recently burned through a quick something-or-other with actress Charlize Theron. He obviously cant maintain a relationship, long-or-short term.
Hes been a brilliant actor, and has curbed his ego to help during Katrina and the earthquake relief effort in Haiti.
But on the subject of women and #MeToo, he is uniquely UNQUALIFIED to offer a rational opinion.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Talk about rage issues, its a wonder that he hasnt killed someone. Its an equivalent wonder that hes still alive. (Meaning, that someone didnt strike back hard, in one form or another.)
I caught Penn on Colbert earlier this year when he was pushing that awful Bob Honey mess of a book. He was visibly shaking (hands and face), and chain-smoked through the interview. I thought then that this guy is about one or two minor setbacks away from a total nervous collapse.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Was unrecognizable after her beating. Years later she called him the love of her life and was more coy about the accusations but others werent as willing to bury it. She was hospitalized. Yet in the end she didnt want to ruin his career. Sound familiar?
VOX
(22,976 posts)The man does the battering, the woman tries to cover for him, or drops any charges to protect him. The woman could die from internal bleeding, and the man just walks.
I do remember well his various altercations with photographers, yanking away their cameras, punching them out, etc. which of course only feeds the paparazzi, and makes them want to take more photos of his meltdowns if it bleeds, it leads, etc.
All that anger in that man. Hes been thrown in jail multiple for his lack of self-control. He could do thousands of hours in the slammer or performing community service, but that reservoir of rage goes unaddressed (or so it appears).
Its one thing to be self-loathing, but turning those impulses outward only brings literal pain to others, not to mention the lifetime emotional trauma left in its wake.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)he means that men shouldn't forcibly hold down women and rape them, then, yes, he's right.
I don't think he means that, though.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Link to tweet
@Daveofdeadair
You are right #seanpenn, the #metoo movement does separate men and women. It separates abusive men from non abusive men so woman have a clear choice on who they support and spend their time with.
7:00 AM - Sep 17, 2018
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Nobody wants to listen to your sexist, self-serving bullshit.
Laffy Kat
(16,382 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)And is known to be a jerk.
He can STFU
realmirage
(2,117 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Madonna still remembers how you beta her like a drum.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Oneironaut
(5,500 posts)I cant stand him in movies or in real life, even if he says things I agree with. Im not surprised he hates the #MeToo movement.