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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPoll: Cruz up 9 in Texas Senate race
fwiw....
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/407237-poll-cruz-up-9-in-texas-senate-race
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has a nine-point edge over opponent Rep. Beto ORourke (D-Texas) in the Lone Star States Senate race, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll released Tuesday.
About 54 percent of likely Texas voters support Cruz, compared with 45 percent who support ORourke.
While both have net-positive favorability ratings, Cruzs margin is greater than his opponents. About 52 percent of likely voters have a favorable opinion of Cruz, compared to 43 percent who have an unfavorable opinion. Roughly 43 percent of likely voters have a favorable opinion of ORourke, whereas 42 percent have an unfavorable opinion.
The upcoming midterm cycle is largely considered to be a referendum on President Trump. Likely voters are split 49-49 on the presidents job approval.
Le Gaucher
(1,547 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)I just read yesterday that Cruz broke the law by peddling disinformation.
Apparently he knew it would work and didn't give a shit.
For example: (There is some debate over whether this is legal or not)
Link to tweet
onenote
(42,703 posts)lame54
(35,290 posts)Piss people off?
Strange how it works in his favor
grantcart
(53,061 posts)JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)The problem with that, though, is this year the voters most likely to vote don't fit the usual mid-term mold.
Usually, "likely" means older, whiter, GOPer.
This year, the Dem registration efforts and overall voter enthusiasm is off the charts, while the MAGAts are beginning to appear a bit disillusioned.
Bottom line: this poll might be an outlier, but it would do us well to take it as Gospel and work like the devil to make sure Beto wins anyway.
Gothmog
(145,264 posts)This is the first poll with a likely voter profile added and the Beto campaign is appealing to people who never voted before
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Dem_4_Life
(1,765 posts)I am guessing that a lot of Beto's supporters have cell phones only. I know I do.
CatMor
(6,212 posts)aside from trump he is the most despicable politician in office and that's saying a lot regarding republicans.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)and he has an R next to his name.
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)If I were to ask the next 10 Texans I randomly bump into 4 might admit they will vote Cruz, only one would admit they 'like' him... Cruz is NOT popular even IF he manages to win.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)just too many folks who would have to split ticket vote between the governor's race and this one.
But I'm showing up and voting for him nevertheless and hopeful I'm wrong.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)Dems have for years said Texas is changing we can win the state soon. It hasn't happened yet.
I have also heard the argument about inspiring "non-voters." That hardly ever holds true.
Don't get be wrong Beto is great but I have never been bullish on his chances. The best we can hope for is National Republicans are forced to spend money in Texas.
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)in some statewide/national races. It will happen eventually. Not sure if it will be this time because Abbott has a 20 point lead. If his voters get out and vote, don't think enough will split tickets.
But I donate, make calls, and will vote.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Dem_4_Life
(1,765 posts)Beto can pull this off we just need to work really hard to GOTV.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)There was a poll out not long ago that had him behind by 1. Wtf would cause a shift like this? Come on.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)John Fante
(3,479 posts)you can safely (and sadly) say he has it in the bag.
Butterflylady
(3,543 posts)Its Quinnipiac poll to start with and basically no poll can be accurate now adays due to so much different technology. Now you have not only land lines along with cell phones and dont forget those that have cells that are not connected to a peculiar cell company. Also added will be newly registered voters, many of which will be the millennial voters. Yes I know it's Texas, but I still feel it's Betos for the win.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I think Beto has HUGE potential. I'd love nothing more than to send Cruz's smug ass home.
JanetLovesObama
(548 posts)I have never seen so much enthusiasm and excitement for a Democrat in my life (and I'm pretty old). Beto signs everywhere. On my Twitter and Facebook my many followers from other states are going crazy over Beto. I refuse to believe one poll.
Watch the Beto/Cruz debates (3) and let's see where the polls are then. The first debate is the this coming Friday night.
democratic friend
(137 posts)Texas seems a tough state to win for democratic candidates for some reason. Even in blue states, republicans win sometimes. Why not democratic candidates in red states? Seems unfair.
dalton99a
(81,510 posts)DFW
(54,387 posts)In the big cities, Beto holds sway. The poll MAY be accurate, and it's true that the media can give a skewed picture of popular sentiment. Still, I was there in August--granted, only in Dallas--and there was definitely a Beto buzz in the air.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Arizona is slowly turning while Georgia and especially Texas are overhyped. I will continue to emphasize that. Polls mean very little. If a state simply has too many self-identified conservatives then there is no margin for error in a federal race. Beto would have greater chance in a governors race, where more voters allow themselves to stray from their preferred party.
Texas has 44% self-identified conservatives and 3/4 of that block place themselves toward the extreme end of conservatism. That is too much for Beto to overcome.
Nate Silver wrote in early August that the fundamentals of this race indicate a 5-10 point edge for Cruz. I agree. It is sad to watch our most awesome candidate wasted in a state like that.
The only surprising and somewhat questionable aspect of this poll is the high 52-43 favorable rating for Cruz. I have not seen it in that range. Normally Cruz has an even split in terms of favorable/unfavorable. So maybe the 9 point margin is high. But I believe it is more real world than the recent 1 point poll, or anything trying to pretend this race is near toss up.
A Texas political site broke it down in terms of raw numbers about a week ago. Not a perfect comparison but it basically demonstrates that Beto needs to find several hundred thousand votes:
https://texaspolitics.utexas.edu/blog/odds-against-orourke-some-back-envelope-vote-counting-texas-senate-race
Freethinker65
(10,022 posts)KCDebbie
(664 posts)These new voters would not be I clouded in any poll.
New registered voters is the reason Fl Gov candidate Andrew Gillum appeared out of the blue...
Same thing w/Pres in 2008 and 2012!
vi5
(13,305 posts)....not the least of which is that it will likely cause anyone within any position of power in the party to pull us back into our turtle shell fo hiding and never running anything other than an old, white, conservative Dem in red states. They won't see "Wow, holy crap look how close to winning this young, charismatic upstart came to beating one of the biggest names in the Republican party!" they'll see "Don't try!"
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Its not as if he was teaching chemistry 6 months ago. Beto will be fine. The real number is closer to 5 with a lot of time still left on the clock.
vi5
(13,305 posts)...my point is that he's younger, and more dynamic than the party is usually willing to get behind in bigger national red state races against bigger names like Cruz. And correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not from that area), but for his current seat, didn't he meet some resistance from party leaders? And didn't Obama noticeably leave him off a list of endorsements?
My point being is that even if Beto loses (and I hope he does not), he will have done AMAZING in a red state, and engaged a lot of voters both new and old and points us toward the future. And I hope the party celebrates and embraces that even in potential defeat rather than using it is an excuse to go back to the safe, stodgy, old white conservative male red state ways.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Nationally, weve got a lot of really good candidates this cycle who arent old White males.
That said, state party politics, where a lot of prospective candidates are made or broken as they are coming up through the ranks and starting their time in politics, can be complicated, and very good old boy network. I dont have a good feel for what the vibe is with the party in Texas. Whether its old and stodgy or more forward thinking. Clearly Beto was able to navigate it as he was coming up. Hopefully there will be others.
vi5
(13,305 posts)This time around there is a lot of diversity. It's not just Beto who I worry about. I worry if this election isn't a blow out all around, that the fact that we tried new things, new people, new faces, and new approaches will be blamed rather than all the other stuff that bears responsibility (taking responsibility for our failures is not the strong suit of our party leaders.
Beto was able to navigate it, but my understanding is that he's faced a fair amount of resistance from party establishment and the old guard, but managed to get through it and navigate it as you said DESPITE their opposition rather than because of their help.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)But that is not promising. Late comebacks in general elections virtually never happen, 2016 properly ignored.
In an increasingly polarized era both sides are locked in place and there are very few undecideds. This is hardly a free flowing primary like Gillum won in Florida. Texas has 44% conservatives and they will not budge. Yard signs mean nothing.
Check out the 538 senate models on 538. We have one Democrat after another that we feel good about in senate races, yet the 538 projection is 1.5 to 3 point victory margins. Yet we are all but taking some of them for granted. This race is considerably more lopsided than that yet we prefer to call it a toss up or nearby.
Senate remains very scary this cycle. Then we are in better shape in 2020 and 2022.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)monetary donations
brooklynite
(94,572 posts)Not that Beto can't win, but that it isn't cash that he needs. He has $13.9 M in the bank. You're better off giving to one of the competitive Texas House candidates, who'll help turn out Democratic votes:
Colin Allred (TX-32)
Gina Ortiz-Jones (TX-23)
Todd Litton (TX-2)
Joseph Kopser (TX-21)
M.J. Hegar (TX-31)
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Some of this change could be statistical noise, but Quinnipiac also changed the population it was polling between surveys. They went from registered to likely voters.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11149255
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)District 19, I believe. Gallego lost and the seat switches to Republican for the first time in 135 years. Outcome guarantees a super majority for the GOP.
I was on a betting site and saw some right wingers crowing about it, so I read some articles. Gallego's campaign manager was stunned. A local political analyst blamed it on Democratic complacency. Others said Texas Republicans are especially motivated this cycle, with all the talk of a surge from the other side.
I hope we aren't full out on the Beto race to the exclusion of everything else.
Above all I just hope we are realistic about Beto's chances. He can do everything perfectly in that state and still get semi-trounced by 5+ points.