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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:07 PM Sep 2018

When any country allows capitalists to essentially monetize the health of its people:

When any country allows capitalists to essentially monetize the health of its people, health will be second to profits.



That was my response to the original, excellent post linked below.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211149656#post26

And that is exactly what the US system is. No matter if one has employer provided/subsidized health care or not, profit is built into the US system so that the 1% can take advantage of people.


All that is lacking is the political will to demand a Medicare for All that covers everyone.
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When any country allows capitalists to essentially monetize the health of its people: (Original Post) guillaumeb Sep 2018 OP
I agree. When you hear of folks unable to pay for insurance or health issues, they get thrown ... SWBTATTReg Sep 2018 #1
I hope that you also read the other post found at the link. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #3
I did read. This was one of the best single payer explanation I've found, which I'm ... SWBTATTReg Sep 2018 #6
Good health to you also. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #7
Healthcare, prisons, roads, schools, more for profit. appalachiablue Sep 2018 #2
Indeed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #4
Good points! We would get more services if the profit wasn't built in, like, what kind of ... SWBTATTReg Sep 2018 #8
Yup. Nitram Sep 2018 #5

SWBTATTReg

(22,124 posts)
1. I agree. When you hear of folks unable to pay for insurance or health issues, they get thrown ...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:21 PM
Sep 2018

out of or off of health care/unable to afford medications/treatments/etc. This is one of the better, short versions of explaining what single payer is. Glad to read and thanks for providing.

I think that in some cases, especially when it comes to healthcare, profit should never be the motivation. Affordable health care/treatment for all should be, for it leads to fewer absences, less sick days, etc. and then everyone benefits, including businesses and the like, who'll benefit w/ a better bottom line.

I guess when it comes to rates / costs of health insurance, perhaps the motto should be 'do no harm' as it is for doctors in treating their patients.

Take care.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. I hope that you also read the other post found at the link.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:24 PM
Sep 2018

And costs of everything health related include the cost of the time that every provider must allot to dealing with a multitude of insurance companies.

SWBTATTReg

(22,124 posts)
6. I did read. This was one of the best single payer explanation I've found, which I'm ...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:42 PM
Sep 2018

grateful for, from you.

When you deal w/ multiple entities in the supply chain of all of these medical areas, and each of them is marking up the prices, then before you know it, a raw service costing $1.00 cost $10 or $20 or higher. Insane.

I've heard the term 'single payer' repeatedly, but never got into what it truly was. I've been lucky in that I've always have had insurance and no truly serious illnesses, but I've had quite a few friends who have had, in terrible shape trying to handle the bills and so forth. It tore me up.

No one should ever worry about bills for one's health, especially when in truth, genetics and environmental factors drive a lot of the health issues, and the poor unfortunate ones that are affected, shouldn't have to worry about filing for bankruptcies, losing their home, putting their family home up as collateral, etc. Now I know that there is something (the gop in particular pushes) personal responsibility (have insurance) but a lot of times in life as we know it, the ability to have insurance is not so easy for quite a few (don't have the opportunities to get, too sick to get, too expensive, etc.) but we do have a heart in this country. I understand that situations can be dire for some and I don't mind paying extra for my insurance if it enables others to be able to get.

May your health be always good, my friend.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. Good health to you also.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:52 PM
Sep 2018

And removing the built in profit margin, as well as removing the countless hours spent dealing with many different entities, will result in enormous savings.

SWBTATTReg

(22,124 posts)
8. Good points! We would get more services if the profit wasn't built in, like, what kind of ...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 07:16 PM
Sep 2018

innovation does it take to pave a road? I am amazed that sometimes (well, most of the time I've seen) that they (companies and doing these services for the town or state, etc.) claim that they need the price increases because of the constant innovation in things that they are providing. I think it gets way too carried away w/, using this lame excuse. We can see evidence of this profiteering now w/ all of the numerous ads for new pills on doing this or that, all trying to drive all to their profit making drugs, which are overpriced / built in additional cost for 'innovation' and etc.

I didn't think of these services too, but single payer concept works in other fields too (besides medical, the main reason I've heard this term used).

Be good to yourself!

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