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iluvtennis

(19,863 posts) Wed Sep 19, 2018, 01:35 AM Sep 2018

Politico: Manafort's plea deal says that if his convictions are wiped out for any reason....

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Manafort’s plea deal says that if his convictions are wiped out for any reason, (for example, a pardon from Trump) prosecutors can charge him with any other crimes he committed or confessed to during his plea negotiations

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Politico: Manafort's plea deal says that if his convictions are wiped out for any reason.... (Original Post) iluvtennis Sep 2018 OP

That would be illegal Bo Sep 2018 #1

Presidential pardons don't affect shanny Sep 2018 #4

The president is illegitimate anyway RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #5

Pardon proof. Iliyah Sep 2018 #2

Not if the pardon covered those other crimes also. PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #3

He can't stop a pardon completely, but he made it more difficult marylandblue Sep 2018 #6

A pardon doesn't have to mention actual crimes, it can cover all crimes committed during a timeframe PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #7

Yes, he could do it that way, and I did think about it marylandblue Sep 2018 #10

Incorrect Lee-Lee Sep 2018 #9

Not if they were passed to the states AGs. nt woodsprite Sep 2018 #8

Bo

(1,080 posts)

1. That would be illegal

Reply to iluvtennis (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 01:39 AM

Sep 2018

The special counsel is NOT in the constitution.
Presidential Pardons are.

shanny

(6,709 posts)

4. Presidential pardons don't affect

Reply to Bo (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:03 AM

Sep 2018

state crimes, which have so far not been pursued.

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)

5. The president is illegitimate anyway

Reply to Bo (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:06 AM

Sep 2018

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)

2. Pardon proof.

Reply to iluvtennis (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 01:47 AM

Sep 2018

Mueller!

Get the illegitimate person(s) in the WH out.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)

3. Not if the pardon covered those other crimes also.

Reply to iluvtennis (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 01:50 AM

Sep 2018

(You don't have to be charged with a crime to be able to be pardoned for it).

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

6. He can't stop a pardon completely, but he made it more difficult

Reply to PoliticAverse (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:10 AM

Sep 2018

A pardon only covers the crimes stated in the pardon. Trump could issue a pardon for all crimes publicly known. But of course, we are all interested in the campaign crimes. If Trump also includes anything campaign-related, people will realize there are in fact such crimes. If Trump does not mention campaign crimes, Mueller will charge Manafort with those crimes. Trump could still find a way to cover all crimes without giving anything away, but it would still have some political and legal risk.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)

7. A pardon doesn't have to mention actual crimes, it can cover all crimes committed during a timeframe

Reply to marylandblue (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:16 AM

Sep 2018

For example Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon covered:

all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9,1974.

( See: https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/speeches/740061.asp )

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

10. Yes, he could do it that way, and I did think about it

Reply to PoliticAverse (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 07:07 AM

Sep 2018

But that raises the political question as to why he phrased it as a blanket pardon to cover the campaign period, when his position has been there are no campaign crimes. Second, it raises the legal risk that Mueller will challenge the pardon by indicting Manafort anyway, even knowing the indictment will fail. If Mueller does that, it will spell out the crimes that Trump wants to hide.

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)

9. Incorrect

Reply to marylandblue (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:46 AM

Sep 2018

A pardon doesn’t have to mention crimes specifically and can be a blanket one for anyband all violations of Federal law.

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)

8. Not if they were passed to the states AGs. nt

Reply to PoliticAverse (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:44 AM

Sep 2018

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