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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDementia/Alzheimer's does NOT make you an asshole
nor does it turn you into a Malignant Narcissist or a racist or misogynist.
Anyone who has any experience with family members with Dementia will attest to this.
Trump didnt turn into the raging asshole he is no matter how demented he sounds. Theres anecdotal evidence that he was always a raging asshole.
People should find another way of trying to describe what ails him. It isnt Alzheimers.
mythology
(9,527 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)One who had a nasty disposition before he got dementia, got much worse. The one who was so sweet we all called her Aunt Katie Did, just got sweeter, the people in the nursing home cried when she passed. These diseases do NOT make you an asshole.
PatSeg
(47,512 posts)Old age or dementia only magnifies what you already are.
Kind of like when people get drunk. The booze didn't make them do it, it just gave them the inhibition to act on whatever was already there.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)In the case of Trump I don't really see any difference in his behavor now from years ago.
His assholeness was there then too.
Borchkins
(724 posts)It can turn the sweetest person into a raging asshole.
It can also turn a raging asshole into a very compliant 'sweetheart'.
As an elder law attorney, I have seen both situations repeatedly.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I get the raging asshole disclaimer but I meant to say that its a mental disorder in itself. My point is that Trump didnt just recently become what hes always been because he may have Alzheimers. People are beginning to try to explain his lifelong behavior as the onset of Dementia. Thats looking in the wrong direction.
Narcissism, Sociopathy and Psychopathy should be taken very seriously because they are real mental disorders and not covered over by lumping them into Alzheimers and Dementia. They are not the same thing. They simply arent.
Borchkins
(724 posts)My comment was only about dementia and personality changes.
Trump is a lifelong narcissist, sociopath, psychopath, etc.
He has mental illness, dementia is not mental illness.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)became a real jerk, hitting her disabled granddaughter who was trying to hug her and using the N word freely. At one point she believed she was a teenager and acted like a real asshole. That said, I'm not sure Trump has dementia but he's one crazy old fart who ought to be in assisted living.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Its possible she was already a racist. And yes, behavior can change drastically, but it isnt known to cause Narcissism like Trump has always displayed.
From everything Ive heard, which, granted may not be all thats out there, what ails Trump is not a product of Dementia unless he had it from the time he was a child.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)and I agree that dementia isn't solely what is making him what he is, and that it's not fair to describe this kind of behavior blithely as Azheimer's. But I do believe that much of what is going on with him is related to aging, and as I get older myself (I'm 71) I find things sometimes don't make sense to me unless I stop and study. Trump is not a studious or curious or intelligent person, so he is not as lucky as I am. I posted earlier today about his distress and feeling of betrayal about the death toll in Puerto Rico. He seems crazy, saying that it's a plot by Democrats to make him look bad, but I think it's really just an aging brain unable and unwilling to stop and listen and think about things. He knows what he knows, and that's all what he knows, kind of like Popeye.
I strongly agree that we are all too ready to ascribe medical conditions we may know nothing about to people we've never met, basing our "diagnoses" on popular, usually erroneous, conceptions. If I hear that one more person is "on the spectrum" I swear I'll tear my hair out.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)He still wanted them after proven innocent and another serial killers DNA matched
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people need excuses for his personal social issues and he could be senile and getting worse but at 70 many do not show signs yet
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)drumpf's brain is grey matter and chemistry gone bad; he was born a psychopath. Adding dementia has only made things much worse and more dangerous.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)But there are so many things that give away that someone has Dementia. weve been watching him on a steady daily diet for two and a half years and hes been the same. He stays on topic though hes all over the place doing so. He acts consistently within groups of people. For example he does his rally lying rages only in his rallies. He knows perfectly well how to tone it down when a camera is on him, being very consistent in talking shit only on Twitter when no one sees him. He is also extremely careful about who he attacks or gives his nasty little nicknames to.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)drumpf knows how and what to do when the cameras are rolling.
TlalocW
(15,384 posts)Of course, I'm not a doctor and am just remembering an episode of, "Scrubs," about a patient who had it whose son said his mother's personality was changing.
Of course, Trump has always been a jerk, and I think we're overlooking that fact.
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lunatica
(53,410 posts)A brain tumor, maybe Huntingtons disease, even Alzheimers. But Trumps personality hasnt changed. Hes always been a Narcissist. We just see it more because he lives in a glass house now.
But he is and always has been consistent. As far as I can tell we actually see 4 distinct versions or personalities quite plainly. We see one version when hes on camera answering or disparaging reporters questions. Another when hes at one of his rallies and a third one in his tweets. He says things in tweets he never repeats in person. All of them distinctly different. And then theres the very distinct one when hes acting Presidential like when hes handing out food to white victims of natural disasters.
When the reporter cameras are on him again he will praise himself to the heavens for his A plus plus actions.
Hes quite predictable now that we know him. Not nearly as mysterious as he would like us to believe.
area51
(11,912 posts)I think he's both a Narcissist and has dementia. My mother had dementia before she died and I see some similarities. I've been wondering if on some level Trump knows something's wrong with him, because he keeps accusing other people of what he's doing.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)But his Narcissism has been apparent his entire life.
On the other hand, the stress of not being able to control reality or stop the truth from coming out may be creating a mental meltdown that makes it easier to see him for what he is.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Those that attribute this con mans behavior to the disease have zero experience with he disease. It is offensive to see some posters using the disease as a slur. Hope they never have to actually deal with the real thing. Thanks for the visibility you offer with this thread.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)when it passes his lips.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)been able to fit in and get ahead by being an outwardly vile human-being. I only saw one episode of the Apprentice and found him to be utterly disgusting at the time.
I do think he is suffering from some sort of cognitive decline though...some kind of atrophy, but I'm no neuroscientist.