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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,510 posts)
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 01:23 PM Sep 2018

Spain reveals Trump proposed a wall in the Sahara Desert to deal with Europe's 'migrant problem'

Take this with a grain of salt; it's from the Express, which seems not to be a beacon of accuracy.

This thread got the kibosh from LBN because of its source. I concur with that decision. If I can find a better (read: trusted) source for this story, I'll use that instead.

Thanks.

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Spain reveals Trump proposed a wall in the Sahara Desert to deal with Europe's 'migrant problem'



Spain reveals Trump planned WALL in Sahara Desert to deal with Europe's 'migrant problem'

SPAIN’S Foreign Minister Josep Borrell has revealed US President Donald Trump suggested a wall in the Saharan Desert as the solution to Europe’s migration problems.

By NATALIA PENZA IN SPAIN

PUBLISHED: 10:12, Wed, Sep 19, 2018 | UPDATED: 10:26, Wed, Sep 19, 2018

Mr Borrell, a former President of the European Parliament, said President Trump insisted the type of border wall with Mexico he has vowed to make his southern neighbours pay for would work for Europe as well.

The respected Spanish politician did not reveal when the controversial US leader put forward his radical solution, although diplomatic sources suggested it had been in June when he flew to the States in a trip coinciding with the visit to the White House of the Spanish King and Queen.

Mr Borrell revealed President Trump’s Saharan wall “solution” during a lunch in Madrid organised by cultural association Club Siglo XXI, which was formed in 1969 and is known for holding respected debates, conferences and forums.

Spanish daily El Pais said that he had made it clear he disagreed with Donald Trump’s diagnosis but insisted a policy had to be put in place to deal with the fact Africa would double its population in the next 20 years.
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Spain reveals Trump proposed a wall in the Sahara Desert to deal with Europe's 'migrant problem' (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2018 OP
His answer to everything is to build something someone else pays for. redstatebluegirl Sep 2018 #1
Make Mexico pay for it. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #2
This has to be from the Onion. Botany Sep 2018 #3
Probably need a shifting wall to accomadate the shifting sands of the Sahara. democratisphere Sep 2018 #5
Sand dunes are made to move so with a good windstorm and a fence to catch the sand .... Botany Sep 2018 #9
ROFL malaise Sep 2018 #16
Repair and extend the Great Wall of China. NCjack Sep 2018 #4
more dog whistles through the megaphone 0rganism Sep 2018 #6
One trick pony JDC Sep 2018 #7
Why don't we put IQ45 in his hotel/golf course in FL & build a wall around him? Ilsa Sep 2018 #8
Hey Dick Tater... ooky Sep 2018 #10
I'm surprised trump even knows there is a Sahara Desert .. CatMor Sep 2018 #11
May not be that weird left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 #12
A wall? Spain spent all that money digging a moat (the Med), ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2018 #13
"Spain has some experience here, having defeated the Moors in 1492" BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #15
I know it took them a very long time, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2018 #17
But then BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #19
You don't have to rely on the Express Denzil_DC Sep 2018 #14
Made of sand. Beautiful sand. dalton99a Sep 2018 #18
What a dipshit! smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #20
A few good responses........... riversedge Sep 2018 #21
I would think the desert alone would be an effective barrier. rickford66 Sep 2018 #22

Botany

(70,521 posts)
9. Sand dunes are made to move so with a good windstorm and a fence to catch the sand ....
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 01:41 PM
Sep 2018

.... your 20' wall which will catch sand could be covered in a matter of hours. But not to
worry the Sahara desert is the size of China so building a wall to keep all those "dark people"
to stay in their mud huts in their shit hole countries shouldn't be a problem.


0rganism

(23,957 posts)
6. more dog whistles through the megaphone
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 01:32 PM
Sep 2018

now with Spain's assistance

always remember, Trump's various walls are, will be, and always have been a metaphor for expressing racism to a (large) segment of his rabid base.

when we ridicule the idiocy of an actual wall, we miss the point and the magats laugh at us falling for it. they're getting exactly what they want from Trump. all that's necessary to please them is expressions of white nationalist superiority, everything else is gravy.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
8. Why don't we put IQ45 in his hotel/golf course in FL & build a wall around him?
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 01:39 PM
Sep 2018

Or another set of six "walls" would be great!

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
12. May not be that weird
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:48 PM
Sep 2018

Since this is in reference to Spain, Trump may have had the tiny Spanish enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla on the northern shores of Morocco's Mediterranean coast in mind.

Migrants who make it from Morocco into these two areas then have access to Europe,
having gained access to Spanish territory.

"Increasingly Ceuta and Melilla's heavily fortified borders have come under pressure from African migrants seeking a better life in Europe."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14114627

...................................................

"Some 1,000 African migrants who stormed a razor-wire border fence between Morocco and the Spanish enclave of Melilla were repelled by police."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4314784.stm

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
13. A wall? Spain spent all that money digging a moat (the Med), ...
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 03:05 PM
Sep 2018

... and now he wants them to build a wall?

Spain has some experience here, having defeated the Moors in 1492 and ordering the expulsion of their descendants in 1609.

Perhaps Trump sees himself as the second-coming of Charles "The Hammer" Martel.

I'm guessing Trump will largely be ignored by Spain.

BumRushDaShow

(129,129 posts)
15. "Spain has some experience here, having defeated the Moors in 1492"
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:12 PM
Sep 2018

Yeah but it took 700 years for them to finally do that and regain their territory. That's a long ass time.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
17. I know it took them a very long time, ...
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:28 PM
Sep 2018

... but they didn't have Donald Trump.

He'd have been the best Spanish king ever. Best leader of armies. And he'd have discovered the new world much faster.

Denzil_DC

(7,244 posts)
14. You don't have to rely on the Express
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:32 PM
Sep 2018

(thanks for taking anything it publishes with a barrowload of salt).

Here's The Guardian with its own sourcing:


Donald Trump urged Spain to 'build the wall' – across the Sahara

Donald Trump suggested the Spanish government tackled the Mediterranean migration crisis by emulating one of his most famous policies and building a wall across the Sahara desert, the country’s foreign minister has revealed.

According to Josep Borrell, the US president brushed off the scepticism of Spanish diplomats – who pointed out that the Sahara stretched for 3,000 miles – saying: “The Sahara border can’t be bigger than our border with Mexico.”

...

Borrell’s comments were made at a lunch event in Madrid this week and widely reported in the Spanish media. “We can confirm that’s what the minister said, but we won’t be making any further comment on the minister’s remarks,” said a spokesman for the foreign ministry.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/19/donald-trump-urged-spain-to-build-the-wall-across-the-sahara


For those who can read Spanish, here's The Guardian's source from the link above:

Borrell dice que Trump le sugirió un muro en el Sáhara para frenar la inmigración

Borrell dice que Trump le sugirió un muro en el Sáhara para frenar la inmigración

El ministro de Asuntos Exteriores, UE y Cooperación, Josep Borrell, ha afirmado este martes que el presidente de Estados Unidos, Donald Trump, le sugirió construir un muro en el desierto del Sáhara para frenar la inmigración --tal como el que él promueve en la frontera de Estados Unidos con México--. Así lo ha relatado durante un coloquio en el Club Siglo XXI en el que ha dejado claro que esa no es la solución para la inmigración en Europa, sino más bien qué hacer teniendo en cuenta ...

http://www.europapress.es/nacional/noticia-borrell-dice-trump-le-sugirio-muro-sahara-frenar-inmigracion-20180918182548.html

riversedge

(70,245 posts)
21. A few good responses...........
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 07:18 PM
Sep 2018




Amy 4 #GunReform
? @amy4sanity
6h6 hours ago
Replying to @DanEggenWPost

Is @theonion a guest writer for other websites now? This has to be a joke.
0 replies 3 retweets 38 likes

Dawn Novelli
? @DawnNovelli
6h6 hours ago

Replying to @DanEggenWPost

Remember a time when you would see a story like this about an American president, and you would automatically know it's satire. Well that's how dumb Trump is, you read things like this and you actually have to consider that it's legit, yeah it's totally possible he said this. Sad

0 replies 1 retweet 22 likes

arel
? @arelplo
5h5 hours ago

Replying to @DanEggenWPost @Fahrenthold

This “wall in the desert” idea highlights how simple-minded Trump is. It’s the kind of solution a young child would offer, not understanding its sheer absurdity due to cost, logistics and ineffectiveness.

Trump continues to boggle the mind. America deserves better.




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