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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 01:51 PM Sep 2018

One important characteristic of many stupid people is that they do not know it.

Think of Trump. A profoundly ignorant man who has never worked a day in his life. But an ignorant RICH man. And that makes the difference.

Because he had a rich father, he had no worries. He never had to apply for a job, never had to actually do anything to get his position.


And his business history of multiple bankruptcies, multiple bailouts by his father, thousands of lawsuits for non-payment of bills, all show how his stupidity is reflected in his business history.


The only success Trump has enjoyed is on reality television, where he played an ignorant bully. Not asking too much of him there.



Well, he did have more success in that he has, so far, successfully conned that segment of the population that can always be fooled, as well as successfully appealing to the persistent segment of gross racists in the country.

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One important characteristic of many stupid people is that they do not know it. (Original Post) guillaumeb Sep 2018 OP
It demonstrates moondust Sep 2018 #1
I completely agree. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #3
Not that bdamomma Sep 2018 #24
I think that's the fate of most empires. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #10
That may be stretching the point a bit. Aristus Sep 2018 #28
Thanks for the clarification. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #29
? left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 #2
Exactly. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #4
It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect. procon Sep 2018 #5
Thank you for the information. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #6
From your link: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #7
Strikingly familiar, right? nt procon Sep 2018 #8
And we have all dealt with these types. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #11
So it follow they learn nothing from observing greater skill treestar Sep 2018 #27
The first rule of Dunning-Kruger Club... cactusfractal Sep 2018 #12
*snicker* smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #19
It's like those Tiara Moms who call themselves 'classy,' or the gypsies with tacky weddings. TheBlackAdder Sep 2018 #9
+1. There is never enough gold plating for this asshole: dalton99a Sep 2018 #13
My god, it looks like some third-world dictator's pimp daddy vomited all over the place. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #21
Goes well with the hair though! /nt icaria Sep 2018 #23
Yes, the lovely piss gold tone matches quite well. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #26
"5 habits of stupid people that smart people don't have" Kaleva Sep 2018 #14
So Trump scored 100% on the test. Probably a first. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #15
"who are less smart often have habits that out them as stupid" Hortensis Sep 2018 #18
John Cleese on David Dunning's research: retread Sep 2018 #16
Exactly. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #17
Oooo! Stinging criticism of Fox News! smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #22
So true... MineralMan Sep 2018 #20
Social media and the internet did this. Separation Sep 2018 #25

moondust

(19,993 posts)
1. It demonstrates
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:25 PM
Sep 2018

the stupidity and danger of an "inheritance society" where all that really matters is how much money you have--no matter where it came from. The problem gets worse as time goes by and more fortunes are amassed (whether earned or not) to be inherited by more narcissists like Drumpf who may also learn early on that money is leverage that will get them whatever they want without ever lifting a finger. It could potentially lead to civilizational collapse due to widespread incompetence at the top.

bdamomma

(63,881 posts)
24. Not that
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 11:07 PM
Sep 2018

smart he illegally started a war on false pretenses, and people got killed. Remember shock and awe???

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
10. I think that's the fate of most empires.
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:43 PM
Sep 2018

Even the Roman Empire was, at one time, relatively democratic, but eventually degenerated into an inherited monarchy.

Aristus

(66,389 posts)
28. That may be stretching the point a bit.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:35 AM
Sep 2018

During the Republic, Rome was more or less an inherited oligarchy. True political power was reserved for the landed gentry. The Senate was not an elected or representative body. One ascended to the Senate based on landed wealth and relationship to the most powerful families.

Citizens could vote for candidates for the various civic magistracies, but the candidates were already members of the Senate. And only the propertied citizens had any real power through the vote. The poorer voters were routed into voting 'tribes' that were deliberately designed to make their votes essentially worthless. The Electoral College is an inexact, but similar, concept.

The Empire did degenerate into an inherited monarchy, though.

procon

(15,805 posts)
5. It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:37 PM
Sep 2018
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence. The combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads them to overestimate their own capabilities.

The term lends a scientific name and explanation to a problem that many people immediately recognize—that fools are blind to their own foolishness. As Charles Darwin wrote in his book The Descent of Man, "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."

https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740


guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. Thank you for the information.
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:39 PM
Sep 2018

And this exactly fits Trump's combination of arrogance and lack of knowledge.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. From your link:
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:40 PM
Sep 2018
Incompetent people, the researchers found, are not only poor performers, they are also unable to accurately assess and recognize the quality of their own work. These low performers were also unable to recognize the skill and competence levels of other people, which is part of the reason why they consistently view themselves as better, more capable, and more knowledgeable than others.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
11. And we have all dealt with these types.
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:44 PM
Sep 2018

I welcomed this type of manager when working as a union representative because they were so prone to procedural and interpretive errors in the grievance process.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. My god, it looks like some third-world dictator's pimp daddy vomited all over the place.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 09:11 PM
Sep 2018

So vulgar and tacky. Of course that stupid low-life thinks it is the ultimate in sophistication.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. "who are less smart often have habits that out them as stupid"
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 07:51 PM
Sep 2018

Oh, yes.

Failing to understand what it is to know something is not on this list but is huge.

We see it all the time in many repeatedly ripping at Democratic politicians. Over time it becomes obvious that some truly believe they are far more competent and literally can't conceive that a professional might know something they don't. Bizarre but real.



“I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me.”

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
17. Exactly.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 07:49 PM
Sep 2018

And we have FOX watching voters who are quite convinced that they are intelligent voters.

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