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Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
1. County Police Won't Investigate Allegations Against Kavanaugh Unless Complaint Is Filed
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:07 PM
Sep 2018

Whether statute of limitations would apply would depend upon the type of complaint
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/police-fire/county-police-wont-investigate-allegations-against-kavanaugh-unless-complaint-is-filed/

“We would only investigate if something has been reported to us,” Officer Rick Goodale, a police spokesman, said Monday. “As of now no one has come forward. We are not going to initiate an investigation.”

Goodale said whether the statute of limitations would apply if a complaint was filed would depend upon the type of crime reported.

According to Maryland state law, there is no statute of limitations for felonies in Maryland. Some assault and sex offenses are considered felonies and there is no limitations on when charges could be filed if those offenses are alleged to have occurred.


All she has to do is file a complaint and she'll get some investigation ...
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
2. Not really. They often open a file and do nothing for recent rapes. Why would they?
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:20 PM
Sep 2018

I don’t think they could compel witnesses hundreds of miles away or have the resources to chase them.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
3. Lying to a MD county cop would not have nearly the same
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:31 PM
Sep 2018

reservation as lying to the FBI. No doubt about that.

But Grassley going ahead and holding a vote while police are investigating his nomination for attempted rape is a pretty tough sell. It might kill the nomination due to timing.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
4. I don't see how someone who rightfully had no faith in LEO does this now...
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:39 PM
Sep 2018

Interesting thought. I imagine she and others will have their say on their own terms. Kavanaugh has sunk in the polls, women are pissed off- including Republican women.
The GOP is more worried about this than a lot of men realize- and rightfully so. It comes down to whether Trump or the committee has the last word.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
5. In Trump's case, he will do as he has always done:
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:55 PM
Sep 2018

whatever is best for him.

The GOP will do whatever is best for them.

Neither of them can be relied on to do what is right or best for the country.

Statements of the obvious ....

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
7. My thought is the GOP wants to use Trump for the SC and maybe more tax cuts before January....
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 05:41 PM
Sep 2018

Otherwise they’d bail on him sooner. But Trump needs their loyalty in delaying Mueller as much as possible.
Defeating this SC nominee is critical. We still have a lot of calls and emails to do to that end. I think Collins and Murkowski are shakier than they let on.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
6. Asha Rangappa corrects Tribe on this
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 05:04 PM
Sep 2018

she's a former FBI agent and is now at Yale, and is a frequent guest on CNN.




No it wouldn't. ?? The Criminal Division of the FBI is divided into squads based on the violations they work. If they come across evidence of another federal crime they will refer it to the appropriate squad. This allegation is not a federal crime.


The tweet from Tribe:

The FBI clearly has jurisdiction, without any referral from the WH, to investigate the death threats, the hacking, and the harassment designed to prevent the alleged victim from appearing to testify before the US Senate. That would lead to investigating the alleged arrack itself

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Apples and oranges. He's speaking of jurisdiction,
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:25 PM
Sep 2018

she's speaking of procedure. That in itself, btw, is suspicious. Why isn't she addressing jurisdiction since she's responding to his statement?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
9. The FBI does not have jurisdiction related to the rape incident
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 06:36 PM
Sep 2018

See below her original response




The appropriate entity to investigate the allegation as a *criminal* matter is Maryland LE. If the WH wants to expand/reopen the background check (which is not the same as a criminal investigation), the FBI can interview the relevant people/witnesses involved in the allegation.




Death threats and hacks aren't federal crimes?




Yes but agents who investigate hacking and intrusion will investigate...hacking and intrusion. Not allegations of an attempted rape.



That comports with what Prof. Tribe is saying, though: "[The federal investigation of hacking, death threats, and intimidation] would lead to investigating the alleged [attack] itself."



How? I know agents who do hacking and intrusions. They are looking at the technical intrusion and who did the hack and how. What in that investigation would lead to investigating an alleged rape 30 years ago??






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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. I don't think that's what she's saying, plus her statement
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 07:42 PM
Sep 2018

is limited to criminal investigation, as opposed to, say, background or verification of information provided in an application.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
11. Tribe's original tweet
Wed Sep 19, 2018, 08:00 PM
Sep 2018

was how the FBI can investigate the death threats and hacking/doxxing and that investigation could lead to investigating the rape/attempted rape.

Asha said that it won't happen that way because the FBI does not have jurisdiction to investigate the rape incident, and that an investigation into hacking would be limited in scope and would have no way to get from point A (Hacking/death threats) to point B (rape)

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
12. I would think if the FBI investigates the threats then..
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:59 AM
Sep 2018

they would probably want to determine if the individual(s) threatening her had any direct connection to the incident.. like relative or friend, etc. Then that would open it up to investigating the incident. It doesn't matter that its a federal or state crime, their would be more information available to the committee regarding the alleged incident. Likely enough to sink the nomination.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
13. that's not how the FBI works
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:13 AM
Sep 2018

If they found evidence regarding the alleged incident, it would then be referred to authorities that would have jurisdiction for investigating the sexual assault/rape, which would likely be Maryland law enforcement officials. If you read further down in Asha's thread, the FBI is divided up into teams and agents investigating the death threats/harassment would strictly be investigating that alone.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
14. Right, but they could investigate the incident not as a crime..
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:18 AM
Sep 2018

but simply to get more information regarding the individual(s) who are threatening her. That information would then be used to support the threat crime which is federal.

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