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It is a remarkable fact of American life that hordes of men are now defending sexual assault.... a substantial group, many of them in politics, has taken to the internet to argue that a 17-year-old football player should get to do as he likes to a 15-year-old girlsay, for example, trap her in a bedroom, violently attempt to remove her clothes, and cover her mouth to muffle her screamswithout consequences to his life or reputation.... Its all in good fun, defenders declare. Horseplay.
Heres the most surprising part: Theyve launched this peculiar defense despite the fact that the accused party denies it ever happened....
A White House lawyer was quoted saying, If somebody can be brought down by accusations like this, then you, me, every man certainly should be worried. Similar things were voiced by Ari Fleischer and Joe Walsh. Per this dark vision of the future, any consequence for committing assaulteven being unable to move from one lifetime appointment to another lifetime appointmentis the beginning of the end of a just society....
Writing for the Wall Street Journal, Lance Morrow minimized the victims side of things further by declaring that the incident wasnt serious enough to matter. The thing happenedif it happenedan awfully long time ago, back in Ronald Reagans time. ... No clothes were removed, and no sexual penetration occurred.
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They are enablers. They aide and abet sexual abuse just like the Catholic church has forever. The church once again is paying huge amounts of money to the victims of their crimes. Will the GOP ever be held accountable for theirs? Not likely.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)has been to school women, youth, and people of color as to who is in charge. People who object better get damned serious about their votes and show up at the polls. There is no time to play cutesy games. I remember hearing about the "fierce urgency of now." Now is upon us and may well pass us by.
volstork
(5,402 posts)a million times.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Truth, Skidmore.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)- especially those who downplay the seriousness of the event and try to minimize what took place, I always - always - wonder if they are recalling the time (or times) they did the same thing or similar, and are downplaying it because if the accused is guilty of sexual assault then that means they are also guilty of sexual assault.
Guilt creeps in but defensiveness takes hold and they attack the victim because - if Kavanaugh is guilty then they are too. Attacking the victim mitigates their own guilt - in their minds.
And they simply refuse to see their own "horseplay" or "roughhouse" as sexual assault. Because they don't want to think of their own past (and not so past) actions as sexual assault.
They hold to unfounded beliefs and well nurtured denial that a rapist looks and acts a certain way - and they're good boys, so they can't be a rapist, even if they did hold her down or she was unconscious or she said "No" but they know she really meant "Yes".
It was conquest and a show of their prowess as men. It wasn't rape. It was how things are done because girls/women want to be seduced. Because to them what they did was seduction and not rape. Rape is what lowlife men do and they are good boys from good families with a promising future.
Besides, the girl lead them on, so it was only fair. What did she expect would happen? A girl just can't leave a guy hanging.
When they say things like
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Great post. I think you are right and everything you just stated. There is indeed something in their past that they refuse to acknowledge. Not all men, yet when they attack the victim so harshly...there is something there. Thank you.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I always think when men are defensive on this topic, they are either consciously or subconsciously defending their own behavior whether it has occurred in the past or present. It may or may not be true, but that is immediately where my mind goes.
Regardless of whether it's true or not, I have no respect for a man who automatically defends the accused and lashes out at the victim. It makes me sick. It tells me what he thinks of women.
This whole situation has infuriated me. A bunch of white male bullies beating up on a female victim and adding insult to injury. I can't remember when I have been so disgusted by the behavior of men in power.