Who are they going to sell fake insurance plans to now?

Tucker's personal magnetism either

in Moscow? Sell reverse mortgages to Russians, too

Old SNL commercial with Sam Waterson

wreaks havoc with their retirement accounts as he cancels trade deals and threatens our trade partners with tariffs which are supposed to punish China, Mexico, and Canada, but end up hurting our Markets and Industries because he don't know SHIT about how our Trading Markets.

while there has been some up and down in the market, it is by far up since he was elected. Don't want to pick a fight but look it up.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/261690/monthly-performance-of-djia-index/

and the nasdaq was at 5046 and is now at 7950.

It has NOT been that bumpy either. No one who is closely watching their 401K would agree with you.

the Great Republican Recession of 2008-2009.
I would say markets are up in spite of Trump.
And the middle class is being hollowed out as money is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.
Not good.

I fully agree that Trump has little if anything to do with the current economy but people are not currently scared about losing their retirement savings. We saw those signs very early in the great recession, unemployment started going up in 2007, long before anyone took notice. It is not happening now.

There are a ton of reasons to hate Trump and switch sides but if you think the market has anything to do with it, I can't see your point. It is over valued and maybe a bubble but Trump added tons to your 401K, all you need to do is sell, not switch parties.

private debt is skyrocketing, the tariffs, handcuffing the 20 and 30 somethings to high college debt, the push to roll back Dodd-Frank (IIRC some pieces have already been removed), banks way to fucking big to fail, the economy in the hands of the likes of Larry Kudlow.....

That's a start

someone suggested because their retirement accounts. I disagree. That is all I was saying.

I am retired and was burned badly by the Bush Recession. So were many of my friends.
We are all quite leery of seeing many of the same signs and policies reemerging today that led up to the Bush recession.

We are quite aware that Bush's $12,000 DJIA was about $6,000 in a few months and there wasn't anyone in the administration who had a clue what was going on.

So as for me it is SS, Medicare and fiscal irresponsibility. They are all swirling into a vortex right now.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lame duck Republican congress takes a shot at fucking up SS & Medicare. That will only add fuel to the economic fire Trump has already started. We will be seeing lots of farmers unable to pay loans this harvest season.

And when the Dems win the congress and things take a shit, Trump will be ready to blame the Dems. Seems like deja vu.

So yes retirement accounts may look good today, but we have seen them crash not only in our lifetime, but in the last decade.

My generation (age 68) are freaked out about foreign policy under Trump. We grew up on WWII stories and movies and I was curious enough to read extensively on how it happened in Germany etc. And while the possibility that Trump could turn us more towards dictatorship, that is more frightening when you realize he is cutting ties with all of the friends who would ordinarily come to our aid.

So the isolationism plus the "I love Putin and Kim" scares us. Tariffs are just a part of his world view and we don''t like it.

So, if I think us olds are jumping ship, we are more concerned about foreign relations than the economy right now.

That is not to say I don't check my investments daily and have a rip cord red line when I will sell it all and put it in the mattress. I was still working so I could outlast the last recession and my husband is still working so we can deal with a bit of a loss before things get ugly now. Plus I have a government pension and our house is paid for. (Two lawyers, one child). What I can't deal with is my grandson going to war for Trump. That's when I want to have enough money to get all of us out of the country.

The stock market is a rich person's game.
It has zero effect on the majority of the people.

Absolutely guaranteed.

when Democrats picked up 30 or so seats in 2006, they had a rare small edge among older voters. When Republicans won the House with a 60+ seats pickup, they held a similar edge that Dems do now

rural hospitals and medical facilities: It's all on the edge of destruction if not profitable.

They also want to keep raising the age when ss kicks in.

Maybe the tea party blood lust is finally exhausted.

Baby Boomers have always been a significantly different generation in political percentages than those born before 1946 IMHO.
Lifelong liberals at a much higher percentage than those born before 1946.

It's been very annoying "seniors" polled are always defined as one lump group, not divided into 2 very distinct populations: pre BBers and BBers. Glad that, as we age, our sheer numbers are increasingly helping to change the political percentages/expectations for seniors.

Baby boomers like myself (69+) came of age during Watergate and Viet Nam. It was our generation that brought tremendous change. I believe the term "generation gap" was coined because of us. We did not have much in common with our parents' generation and fought the old ways in the streets, in the courts, etc. until things started to change.

I'm actually more liberal now then I ever was as a young person, and I have NEVER voted for a Republican in my life.

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Salute!!

I've wondered if this has something to do with Democratic leadership holding on so long - reluctant to hand off to the X-gen that came of age during the reagan years. But now they can hand off to millennials!

What llmart said.

And I, too, get more liberal every year.

Unlike the ones who came of age under Eisenhower

It is not so much a shifting of thinking among seniors as a shift in who the seniors are and have been.

And it will be increasingly true in coming years.

Seniors in the mid '90s were heavily Democratic. That was the Greatest Generation

as older people die off and next generation becomes the older generation they will be less conservative overall.

If you take away the demographic where the GOP made hay

you obliterate them

What can Democrats accomplish if they out vote the GOP by 6 or 7 million in the midterms?

to understand the rest, regardless of age. republicans are actively helping trump destroy the country. that's how i see it. i am convinced that most of the republicans in congress are criminals and if you or i did what they did we'd be in prison. they hate women; they hate POC. they're boundlessly greedy and their policies favor only the rich.

who are the people who are so disconnected from reality??

The interviewer was in NC (yes, I believe that's where you live and it's where I lived for ten years) and the first one was a man who said re: Trump "he's a man who gets things done" and the second one was a woman who said, "Ah am so happy he is here because he's makin' America great again." (In my mind I said that in my very best imitation of an NC accent.)

So, yes, there are many, many who are disconnected from reality. They see only what they want to see. Now, if the interviewer would have followed up with a question such as, "What has he done for you so far?" then you would have seen the ridiculous non-answer answer that a Trumper gives.

Not only does the 18-34 demographic vastly prefer the generic Democratic candidate, at around 20-22 percent (http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/).

So my demographic, the SS set, now seems to have about the same amount of preference for Democrats, and we tend to vote...

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For nearly 40 years, the turnout of voters over age 45 has significantly outpaced that of younger Americans. In the 2016 presidential election, for example, 71 percent of Americans over 65 voted, compared with 46 percent among 18- to 29-year-olds, according to U.S. Census Bureau data.May 28, 2018"

If there is a 20 pt preference on both ends of the age scale for Democratic candidates then it won't be a wave it'll be a tsunami!

Make sure everyone you know knows the stakes we're facing...


#RESIST

tariff tax than before. That tax is needed to pay for the tax cuts I never got. Simple math, no matter how they want to spin it.

They always have.

The Republicans are out to end Social Security & Medicare as we know it. Even if they grandfather in current recipients, removing current contributors from Social Security will greatly hurt the current recipients, as I see it, since the current contributors pay for the current recipients.

And Medicare...well, every older person can't wait to hit 65 and get Medicare. Seniors would literally DIE without it.

Democrats need to make this case hard and often to the older crowd. Because it's TRUE. And they need to understand this. Any liberal agenda they disagree with will pale in comparison with the importance of these two programs to seniors.

I also imagine they are offended by Trump's manner...his vulgarity, his rudeness.

they are no longer trying to hide it. And if they lose big in November they may do it in a lame duck session.

He’s told them a thousand times he’s going to cut their Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

"We're gonna kill your grand kids while we get rich" is not a good platform.

We old farts remember the 1960's--the darkest days of The Cold War--and Republican reaction to Traitor Tot's capitulation to Putin was jarring.

This group grew up on stories about WWII and are freaked out about Trump's trash talk about NATO. Are we to have no friends in the world?

And some of us remember the cold war: bomb shelters, the Berlin air lift and the wall. We have seen Russia as our enemy all our lives. While we fully supported glasnost, we loved Gorbachev. We cannot see why in the hell we would make friends with Putin.

The article says olds also hate change. I don't like to think of myself that way but I suppose it is true. Trump makes problems so he can solve them (North Korea . . . he made peace there don't your know) and we worry about what kind of country we are leaving for our grandkids.

We don't often base our vote on foreign relations but this could be one of those years (Remember, the GOP has been a threat to SS and Medicare from the beginning so it's not that.)

And whose been robbing from it.

Thanks for the thread NewJeffCT.

and it holds through the midterms. We need these older GOP voters to come to their senses.

Its going to come down to votes,if Dems dont turn out in massive numbers to vote this maniac out of office he will continue to destroy America.

Younger people, and women and minorities all going for Democrats more now. They're running from republicans because they've lied and are destroying health care, destroying Social Security, and all social programs to payback their wealthy donors with our money with tax windfall scams. Its backfiring on them .

“When the gray hairs (older people) team up with the long hairs (young people), this thing is over.”

Daddy was right.

and it was overflowing, biggest they’ve ever had, and a lot of exuberant seniors, ready to spread the word to their friends. I’m just visiting for a few months so I was curious to see how the dems are faring in Indiana. As expected, most of the speakers dealt with local politics, but the smell in the air truly was “Our Turn This Time!!”
Lots of young folks running for office too, with great new ideas and energy. I felt quite optimistic.

GOTV Indiana!