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madaboutharry

(40,231 posts)
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:45 PM Sep 2018

Gloria Borger on CNN reporting on Kavanaugh negotiations.

Dr. Ford has an experienced team working for her who are not taking any Republican bullshit. No. Not one bit.

Gloria Borger just read some of the points coming up in the negotiations.

1. Dr. Ford will not agree to being questioned by a female attorney instead of Senators. She will only answer questions from Senators.

2. She will not have a time limit on her opening statement.

3. She will not be in the same room as Judge Kavanaugh.

4. The FBI should investigate her allegations.

5. Mark Judge must be issued a subpoena.

That was what she had from Manu Raju.

Chuck Grassley and Orrin Hatch and the other white pasty men on the Judiciary Committee have made the mistake of thinking that all they had to do was pay lip service to Dr. Ford. This is what happens when you don't take sexual assault and the anger of women seriously.

They aren't going to get away with playing games. This is not going to be Anita Hill 2.0.

Brett Kavanaugh is going to become known as a huge historical mistake. I don't think he is going to make it. If he is confirmed his term on the court will be tainted. This is now going to drag out for an entire week more until next Thursday. Every single day is going to be a day of pain for this nomination.

I believe Dr. Ford is telling the truth. I think Judge Kavanaugh is a liar and is a man with bad character. His conduct while working for Ken Starr and his reopening the Vince Foster case is all the proof I ever needed to know that Brett Kavanaugh is a terrible person.

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Gloria Borger on CNN reporting on Kavanaugh negotiations. (Original Post) madaboutharry Sep 2018 OP
Glad they can't pull that shit with female staff attorneys. NightWatcher Sep 2018 #1
Interesting week empedocles Sep 2018 #2
If those are her demands it's over onenote Sep 2018 #3
I don't agree. madaboutharry Sep 2018 #5
They will never agree to an FBI investigation or to subpoena Judge. onenote Sep 2018 #6
Maybe not that. madaboutharry Sep 2018 #7
They don't need to subpoena Kavanaugh... brooklynite Sep 2018 #55
I was referring to Mark Judge. onenote Sep 2018 #57
And this is how we get suckered quakerboy Sep 2018 #35
I fear you are right. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2018 #44
Ding, ding ding!!! We have a winner! ewagner Sep 2018 #45
Then we will have an ugly confrontation. For real. Either the gop stops being traitors, or our Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #51
They ain't gonna stop quakerboy Sep 2018 #61
THIS LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #58
He will not agree with everything DUgosh Sep 2018 #8
Its a negotiation. I suspect there will be some compromise. honest.abe Sep 2018 #9
Grassley is out of his True Blue American Sep 2018 #37
I wish there was more being said about his intimidating the Foster Family for 3 years MagickMuffin Sep 2018 #4
There was one point in the hearings where one of the Dems was pangaia Sep 2018 #13
Pangaia, you have probably just uncovered something significant. DemocracyMouse Sep 2018 #25
I think it was the younger daughter who laughed with him. Not 100 % sure.. pangaia Sep 2018 #27
First report.. pangaia Sep 2018 #28
I FOUND IT !!!. Not exactly as I remembered it,, but even worse.... pangaia Sep 2018 #60
Fuck Chuck Grassley. And fuck Brett Kavanaugh and his family. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #68
Enlightening article.. Duppers Sep 2018 #16
Yes, David Brock's book has a lot of details on that trainwreck FakeNoose Sep 2018 #49
I didn't know about that. Can you share some information mahina Sep 2018 #50
I predict Trump will discard Kavanaugh by Monday. GeorgeGist Sep 2018 #10
That would not be surprising. madaboutharry Sep 2018 #14
Trump's not really invested in Kavanaugh DeminPennswoods Sep 2018 #40
He will not. Only Kavanaugh stepping aside will end it. RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #15
First daughter wants him gone. Duppers Sep 2018 #17
Interesting! I wonder if that's why Dump hasn't been more strident in his defense of the rapist. Still In Wisconsin Sep 2018 #26
It was reported that Sweatshop Barbie wants him gone... SMC22307 Sep 2018 #65
"Ivanka Trump ...Withdraw Brett Kavanaugh's Nomination" Duppers Sep 2018 #66
"Reportedly." Yeah, that's the same thing I saw. SMC22307 Sep 2018 #67
"This is not going to be Anita Hill 2.0." volstork Sep 2018 #11
Think how much time and effort they could save forgotmylogin Sep 2018 #12
Yes roscoeroscoe Sep 2018 #41
I agree with every word of your post. yardwork Sep 2018 #18
If Judge is issued a subpoena, Qutzupalotl Sep 2018 #19
If the truth is what we think, he's not going to admit to being involved in a rape. Will stick with Hoyt Sep 2018 #30
(1) People do lie under oath. (2) He can invoke his right not to testify. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #56
She also wants him to testify first B2G Sep 2018 #20
I don't think she'll get ANY of it... regnaD kciN Sep 2018 #21
Then the blue wave just became a tsunami. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #23
No. madaboutharry Sep 2018 #24
I think she could get the one about him not being in the same room FBaggins Sep 2018 #31
but this is not a trial. It's a job interview. bench scientist Sep 2018 #36
She'll be accusing him of a crime under oath FBaggins Sep 2018 #43
That's a ridiculous demand Yupster Sep 2018 #32
Dr. Of Psychology, a theory Liberalhammer Sep 2018 #22
Ford's Attorneys are callng the shots True Blue American Sep 2018 #39
At DR. Ford's beheast Liberalhammer Sep 2018 #63
Right True Blue American Sep 2018 #64
"No time limit on opening statement" oasis Sep 2018 #29
I still think it will all depend on Yupster Sep 2018 #33
Every day I wait to see if anyone has come forward but no one efhmc Sep 2018 #46
Yep Cosmocat Sep 2018 #53
Almost no chance 4 or 5 happen BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #34
If Republican Senators insist on smearing Dr. Ford, they should do it personally and in public. Midnight Writer Sep 2018 #38
We're about to have a national debate on older white male privilege bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #42
Dems were never given a chance to fight for Garland bigbrother05 Sep 2018 #47
She is a warrior. They will be devastated. riverwalker Sep 2018 #48
If true it is over Watchfoxheadexplodes Sep 2018 #52
"This is not going to be Anita Hill 2.0." - sounds like it would be from that request. PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #54
I've heard that Grassley won't agree to Dr. Ford going second. Ilsa Sep 2018 #59
That request made me wince Yupster Sep 2018 #62

madaboutharry

(40,231 posts)
5. I don't agree.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:02 PM
Sep 2018

The panel on CNN thought that these were all very reasonable.

This has gone too far for Grassley and the republicans to blow her off. They can't walk away now.

brooklynite

(94,757 posts)
55. They don't need to subpoena Kavanaugh...
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 02:56 PM
Sep 2018

...he's said he's willing to return to the Committee.

The stumbling block will be the FBI investigation.

quakerboy

(13,921 posts)
35. And this is how we get suckered
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 03:28 AM
Sep 2018

We want to believe that the other side is playing by the rules.

They aren't. The would be rapist could walk into their hearing Monday, grope every female in the room in full view of the cameras, and 50+pence would still vote him in.

They dont care about decency. They dont care about rules. And they have reached a point where even PR and elections have diminishing returns for them. They are at the use it or lose it point for all the power they have seized so far.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,125 posts)
51. Then we will have an ugly confrontation. For real. Either the gop stops being traitors, or our
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 02:27 PM
Sep 2018

alternatives are limited.

quakerboy

(13,921 posts)
61. They ain't gonna stop
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 01:04 AM
Sep 2018

I mean, they can't. At this point, they are all in. If they lose hold and trump ends up being the first president to end up in jail.. the rest are tied in, and how much easier to lock up a former senator than a former president.


They hold, consolidate, increase power now.. or they lose everything. What would you do, sans- conscience?

honest.abe

(8,685 posts)
9. Its a negotiation. I suspect there will be some compromise.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:09 PM
Sep 2018

Good for her to try to take control of the situation.

True Blue American

(17,992 posts)
37. Grassley is out of his
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 03:47 AM
Sep 2018

Territory now. This is not Anita Hill time. This charge by Doctor Ford is not about pubic hairs on a coke bottle.

Grassley and the old Republicans who thought they could bluster and bully their way through have run into the Me Too buzz saw.

If they vote for him now, shove him on the Court both are permanently tainted.

MagickMuffin

(15,960 posts)
4. I wish there was more being said about his intimidating the Foster Family for 3 years
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:57 PM
Sep 2018

It's amazing how anyone could live with themselves while exhibiting such obscene behavior. And to think he could very well end up on the SC.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
13. There was one point in the hearings where one of the Dems was
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:20 PM
Sep 2018

'questioning' KAV, implied something about his sick behavior. KAV laughed, turned around and looked at his family One of the daughters laughed with him.. But not the other one.

I just found that moment somehow revealing.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
25. Pangaia, you have probably just uncovered something significant.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 10:52 PM
Sep 2018

Can you find or identify the clip? Which broadcaster were you watching? Which date/time?

Or which daughter?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
27. I think it was the younger daughter who laughed with him. Not 100 % sure..
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:15 PM
Sep 2018

I was watching on... computer,.. um maybe live? CNN?


I will spend some time to look...

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
28. First report..
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:39 PM
Sep 2018

Just skipped through Durbin and Whitehouse. Don;t think it was them.

Must admit, I once again enjoyed Whitehouse's brilliant, well-researched, sadly witty take down of Kav..

OK.. tomorrow I will try again,,

maybe remind me somehow,
It' is not something I am looking forward to...



pangaia

(24,324 posts)
60. I FOUND IT !!!. Not exactly as I remembered it,, but even worse....
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 12:52 AM
Sep 2018

When Kamala Harris, and then another complain about the thousands of docs they just got and want to postpone,, and then Blumenthal moves to adjourn. That is when protesters in the back go into high gear.

Kavafuck starts laughing, turns around and looks at his family and all there females-- wife and 2 daughters laugh with him.

It all happens in the first 2 minutes or so.....

It is sickening...


 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
68. Fuck Chuck Grassley. And fuck Brett Kavanaugh and his family.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:54 PM
Sep 2018

Yes, even those two "sweet" little girls. They are going to grow up to be just like him. It makes me sick the way he uses them as a prop to make him seem more human to women. The whole family is a disgrace.

FakeNoose

(32,791 posts)
49. Yes, David Brock's book has a lot of details on that trainwreck
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 11:13 AM
Sep 2018

"Blinded by the Right" by David Brock [2002]
I believe Brock even mentions Brett Kavanaugh by name in his book.



mahina

(17,711 posts)
50. I didn't know about that. Can you share some information
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 02:22 PM
Sep 2018

Please? I will also search online but may or may not find what you know. Thank you!

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
40. Trump's not really invested in Kavanaugh
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 04:28 AM
Sep 2018

Media is marveling at Trump's self control not tweeting or raging about Kavanaugh, but imho, that's because Trump doesn't care one way or the other about him. He's got a list with more rw judges on it. Kavanaugh's highly disposable if he becomes too damaged. Trump is wary of Kavanaugh being an "establishment" guy from the Bush circle, too.

Kavanaugh's McGahn's boy and if Kavanaugh goes down, McGahn gets all the blame and probably a quicker exit from the WH.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
15. He will not. Only Kavanaugh stepping aside will end it.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:24 PM
Sep 2018

Trump will NEVER give in on anything. He will see this as a personal attack and a major loss on him.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
26. Interesting! I wonder if that's why Dump hasn't been more strident in his defense of the rapist.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:06 PM
Sep 2018

If Princess doesn't like him, maybe that might move daddy a little.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
65. It was reported that Sweatshop Barbie wants him gone...
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 10:09 AM
Sep 2018

or did you hear her speak or read one of her tweets? Like with Planned Parenthood, immigration and other issues, she's got this "good cop" act going.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
67. "Reportedly." Yeah, that's the same thing I saw.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:35 PM
Sep 2018

I was just wondering if she'd taken an actual stand -- statement, Twitter, whatever.

forgotmylogin

(7,538 posts)
12. Think how much time and effort they could save
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:19 PM
Sep 2018

if they'd just nominate someone else. Pull a Harriet Miers--oops!

If TRMP were smart and a keen negotiator who was interested in some big tent brownie points, he'd put forth Merrick Garland and legitimately wipe his hands of the whole fracas.

Yeah, I know that won't happen.

Qutzupalotl

(14,334 posts)
19. If Judge is issued a subpoena,
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:52 PM
Sep 2018

he will have to tell the truth, which by itself will sink the nomination.

That whole female attorney suggestion was insulting and a transparent attempt to save face. Glad they shot that down.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
30. If the truth is what we think, he's not going to admit to being involved in a rape. Will stick with
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:47 PM
Sep 2018

“Don’t recall that happening.” Although pleading the 5th would shock everyone.

Have to admit I thought Kav had a lock on this just because GOPers have the votes, but wouldn’t bet on him now.

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
21. I don't think she'll get ANY of it...
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 10:08 PM
Sep 2018

I thoroughly expect that, at 10 A.M. tomorrow, Grassley will announce “We gave Mrs. Ford the chance to be heard but, as we haven’t received her prepared testimony as required, she has apparently chosen not to take it. The vote on confirmation will take place Monday morning.”

madaboutharry

(40,231 posts)
24. No.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 10:22 PM
Sep 2018

That would be a disaster for the GOP. They wouldn’t survive the backlash. The American people are with Dr. Ford.

FBaggins

(26,773 posts)
31. I think she could get the one about him not being in the same room
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 12:14 AM
Sep 2018

Yes... the general principle (even though this isn't a criminal trial) is that he has a right to face his accuser, exceptions are often made in the case of sexual assault accusations.

The "no time limit" ask might get by, but they would likely require her to stick to her story - not opinion on larger societal issues or whatever.

The "no female attorney" is nonsense. Not only is it offensive, but it hurts her because it makes it look like they aren't interested in getting to the truth... they want the visual of a bunch of old white guys grilling an appealing female victim. Don't get me wrong... I'd love to see that too... but it has no bearing on whether or not the trial is fair.

The investigation request is, of course, reasonable... but their denial isn't hard for them to defend. She won't get that.

I don't "get" the claim that he needs to testify first. Maybe her hope was to ask him difficult questions (Kamala Harris please)... then say what she has to say and then refuse to answer questions (maybe even leave)... but defendants don't ever testify first. What would they be testifying to if there isn't first an accusation under oath?

bench scientist

(1,107 posts)
36. but this is not a trial. It's a job interview.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 03:46 AM
Sep 2018

Kavanaugh wants the Supreme Court he has to get by the Senate. Senators are supposed to advise, and consent, not some lad lawyer they pick to do their jobs for them.

FBaggins

(26,773 posts)
43. She'll be accusing him of a crime under oath
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 08:33 AM
Sep 2018

That’s quite a bit more like a trial than a job interview... and the Senate uses staff attorneys for questioning all the time.

“No female attorneys... only questions from old white guys” isn’t likely to be something they have any desire to grant. And since what they actually want is for her to refuse to testify, she doesn’t have a whole lot of leverage.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
32. That's a ridiculous demand
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 01:02 AM
Sep 2018

You can't ask someone to defend himself and then have the accuser make the accusation after he defended himself.

That's just ridiculous.

Imagine a court system where the defendant takes the stand and defends himself and then the prosecutor tells the jury what he's accused of. Sounds like Kaftka.

 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
22. Dr. Of Psychology, a theory
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 10:19 PM
Sep 2018

I think DR. FORD is using her expertise in setting up an unwinnable situation for BK and the old white racist Senate Republicans.

Behavioral probabilities she has modeled.

A situation she knows self involved powerful men will try to win. She has public opinion on her side and is making sure that the price that is paid, after BK will be installed will be severe in the fall elections.

I think she knows that in order to get rid of Brett K., Democrats will need to get the majorities to impeach him.

True Blue American

(17,992 posts)
39. Ford's Attorneys are callng the shots
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 04:07 AM
Sep 2018

and am sure they are getting expert advice from more experienced Attorneys.

Grassley is way out of his league this time. He thought he could steam roll it through. He can not refuse this offer.

 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
63. At DR. Ford's beheast
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 09:55 AM
Sep 2018

My bet is she is 100% involved with strategizing with her lawyers.

They do nothing without her consent.

oasis

(49,426 posts)
29. "No time limit on opening statement"
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:44 PM
Sep 2018

The Professor is ready to lay down some heavy duty shit on Kavanaugh.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
33. I still think it will all depend on
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 01:11 AM
Sep 2018

if some other women come forward.

People who do this don't do it once. Every time this kind of stuff comes out ten other people come forward and say me too.

efhmc

(14,732 posts)
46. Every day I wait to see if anyone has come forward but no one
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 10:10 AM
Sep 2018

has braved the maelstrom the right wing has created in our deeply flawed country.

Cosmocat

(14,575 posts)
53. Yep
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 02:37 PM
Sep 2018

I don't see how this can play out in a way that stops them from pushing Kavanaugh through, regardless if she testified or not, or how it is set up.

The only thing that could really derail it is if some other shoe(s) drop.

Midnight Writer

(21,816 posts)
38. If Republican Senators insist on smearing Dr. Ford, they should do it personally and in public.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 03:59 AM
Sep 2018

1) Dr. Ford took and passed a polygraph. Judge Kavanaugh refuses to take a polygraph.

2) Dr. Ford named a specific witness. The Republicans refuse to force that witness to testify under oath.

3) The Republicans knew in advance this charge was coming. Why else would they have a pre-made list of 65 women vouching for High Schooler Kavanaugh's character?

4) Dr. Ford has requested an FBI investigation into her own allegations. The Republicans refuse an FBI investigation. Who looks guilty here?

5) Dr. Ford, her lawyers, and the Democrats want a delay in the proceedings until this issue is sorted out. Republicans refuse any delays. Why? Do they know more dirt is out there on Kavanaugh and they want to lock this up before it sees the light of day?



bucolic_frolic

(43,342 posts)
42. We're about to have a national debate on older white male privilege
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 07:17 AM
Sep 2018

and the way they treat women. This is like 2018 vs 1925. Where was this Democratic fight for Merrick Garland?

Once Trump's poor judgment is shown to have consequences, we have them on the run, and all in the 7 weeks until Election Day. May the Blue Wave grow, may we deliver the TKO to get these stooges off the stage forever!

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
47. Dems were never given a chance to fight for Garland
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 10:46 AM
Sep 2018

McConnell refused to even allow interviews, much less a hearing.

It was obvious that if public hearings were held, Garland's demeanor and record would clearly show his qualifications to serve and temperament to be a balanced voice on the court. His record was as a moderate and consensus builder.

At 66 yo (now) would mean his time on the court would be 20-25 years, not the 35-40 for a Kavanaugh.

It's clear to everyone that Obama nominated a slam dunk candidate and McConnell used a slam shut tactic.

Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
52. If true it is over
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 02:36 PM
Sep 2018

They will never issue a subpoena nor will they open an investigation.

Get ready for the trumpaneze crowing.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
54. "This is not going to be Anita Hill 2.0." - sounds like it would be from that request.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 02:50 PM
Sep 2018

1 - Senators (and not a neutral attorney) questioned Hill and Thomas.
2 - Anita Hill gave an extensive opening statement (you can read it here: https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/anitahillsenatejudiciarystatement.htm )
3 - Thomas and Hill appeared separately.
4 - The FBI did investigate Hill's claims.
5 - Several witnesses were issued subpoenas in the Hill case (chairman Joe Biden says they didn't want to testify, see: https://www.salon.com/2017/12/14/i-owe-her-an-apology-joe-biden-regrets-how-he-handled-anita-hill/ ).

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
62. That request made me wince
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 01:38 AM
Sep 2018

No one would agree to that.

You go defend yourself and then after you're done I'll tell you what I'm accusing you of?

Whoever advised her to request that one shouldn't be listened to any more.

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