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Alhena

(3,030 posts)
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:13 PM Sep 2018

Is this Judge guy really going to change his story under oath?

I see Ford is demanding that he be subpoenaed, but he's already written the Senate committee saying he never saw Kavanaugh do anything like she described. Are her advisers really expecting a Perry Mason moment where he cracks under questioning?

I mean, I fully expect he's lying, but he's locked into his lie now, and I don't see why he would change his story under oath, since she has no smoking gun outside her own testimony.

I'm not sure subpoeaning him is smart- if he sticks to his story as expected, the Kavanaugh supporters will be able to say "see, there's 2 guys saying you are wrong."

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hlthe2b

(102,405 posts)
1. Are you kidding? All they have to do is bring up his writings & alcohol to destroy his credibility.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:17 PM
Sep 2018
 
2. Other Witnesses
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:27 PM
Sep 2018

What if there were witnesses that saw him go into the room? And what about the other supposed witness who was in the room?

dsc

(52,169 posts)
3. He defines being an unreliable witness
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:29 PM
Sep 2018

he admits to being a black out drunk at that time of his life. It also gets his story on the record so if she has something that proves he is lying he is stuck with the lie.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
4. He wrote in support of an abusive priest
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 12:00 AM
Sep 2018

... first denying what the victim experienced, and then when the priest admitted it and quit, blaming it (really) on liberals.

He's not going to be a good witness.

brewens

(13,626 posts)
5. I'm thinking Ford and her lawyers have more than they are letting on. Maybe letting
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 12:03 AM
Sep 2018

them panic and lie more before lowering the boom!

sheshe2

(83,940 posts)
6. Interesting.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 12:05 AM
Sep 2018
I see Ford is demanding that he be subpoenaed, but he's already written the Senate committee saying he never saw Kavanaugh do anything like she described. Are her advisers really expecting a Perry Mason moment where he cracks under questioning?


Demanding is pretty harsh. She is asking for a fair hearing and protection
due to death threats. She wants to have witnesses called and give testimony under oath. Wow! He wrote them a letter! He must be innocent then...a whole letter!!!! Hon, me thinks her advisors are smarter than the GOPEE Pees. I think they expect him to himself to commit perjury. Never underestimate a woman.

I'm not sure subpoenaing him is smart- if he sticks to his story as expected, the Kavanaugh supporters will be able to say "see, there's 2 guys saying you are wrong."


Good for you thinking it is not smart. They will both be committing perjury. Boys will be boys. Just rough housing. Like our president, just grabbing a little pussy after sucking on a tic tac or two. Moving on them like a b***h. When you are famous you can do anything.



stopbush

(24,397 posts)
8. He hasn't said anything under oath yet.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 04:31 AM
Sep 2018

Yes, I imagine that any letter he sends to the committee is considered to be under oath, but he lied during the hearings. He and the R Senators don’t care that he’s a perjurer. Still, getting him to raise his hand and aver things publicly under oath is a diffferent thing when it comes to sexual assault.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
9. He has a documented history of getting black out drunk
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 04:41 AM
Sep 2018

I expect he'll say he doesn't recall anything about the incident and that will be credible because of his past alcholism.

He could be asked about the culture at GP during his time there, i.e., were there a lot of parties, drinking, drug use, etc outside of school. He could be asked about his friendship with Kavanaugh, i.e., were you acquaintences, friends, best friends who shared everything? I think Judge's usefulness as a witness would be mostly for context, not as corroborating witness.

The committee actually might have better luck with PJ Smythe, another boy Dr Ford identifies as party attendee, as a witness.

Vinca

(50,313 posts)
10. He probably doesn't remember for real. It sounds like the guy spent his teen years in a stupor.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 05:49 AM
Sep 2018

Just read an interview on HuffPo about the prep school days during this time and there's little doubt the attack happened.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/georgetown-prep-student-party-culture-kavanaugh_us_5ba28cf7e4b07c23ef37a06c

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Alhena, as someone who believes Judge is lying,
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 11:57 AM
Sep 2018

presumably you want him uncovered, and THAT is why you want him investigated. Imagine this from the viewpoint of an innocent person:

Judge's reputation has been dreadfully smeared.

An innocent person should want a totally free to him FBI investigation and national declaration of the results via the confirmation hearing.

An innocent person should demand the right to declare the truth under oath so that he can never be accused of hiding it.

Instead, he's refusing both, preferring to sit on a permanently soiled reputation. Why? My best guesses include that he's afraid testifying under oath could send him to prison.

Plus, if guilty, there's a truly excellent change one or both blabbed to friends, who themselves are hiding what they know. An investigation would uncover them, and they would join Judge in prison if caught lying under oath.

Plus, who knows? Only that there is likely to be "plus" that even a cursory investigation into Kavanaugh's background might turn up. Could there be other behaviors that would cast further doubt on his character?

Kavanaugh of course is denying all need for investigations into any of the allegations against him, preferring to have his confirmation rammed through with all questions unresolved.

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