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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 06:09 AM Aug 2012

FACT CHECK: QUESTIONABLE CLAIMS IN VEEP DEBUT

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- In his debut as Mitt Romney's running mate, Paul Ryan promised "America's comeback team" won't duck tough budget issues, although the man standing next to him has kept his head low so far. Romney vowed the duo would "preserve" Medicare, an eye-popping claim considering Ryan wants to transform the program from the ground up.

Not all the rhetoric fit neatly with reality or with the record when Romney introduced his Republican vice presidential choice to the nation Saturday. A look at some of the claims by the Wisconsin congressman and Romney, and how they compare with the facts.

ROMNEY: "Unlike the current president, who has cut Medicare funding by $700 billion, we will preserve and protect Medicare and Social Security and keep them there for future generations."

THE FACTS: You could fill an arena with all the details left out in this statement. Ryan's reputation as a fiscal conservative is built on a budget plan that would overhaul the Medicare program and introduce a voucher-like plan that future retirees could use to buy private health insurance. Whether that results in a better or worse situation for Medicare recipients is a matter of debate. But under Ryan's plan, traditional Medicare would no longer be the health insurance mainstay, just one of many competing options.
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FACT CHECK: QUESTIONABLE CLAIMS IN VEEP DEBUT (Original Post) xchrom Aug 2012 OP
Argument with a conservative friend Freddie Aug 2012 #1

Freddie

(9,275 posts)
1. Argument with a conservative friend
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 07:43 AM
Aug 2012

And I won (!) on this point:

So, "conservative" means spending as little $$ as possible, right?
We, as a society, have made a pact to make sure that our seniors have health care. It's a done deal and there's no going back. Sadly, we're stuck on making more progress on this point--making sure everyone has health care--but there will be no undoing the progress already made.
That said, we have a limited pool of $$ to provide this care. We should make the most efficient use of this limited $$ that we can--by spending on **actual health care**. Not insurance co. profit and overhead! The Ryan Plan is a scam to line the pockets of Big Insurance.
Medicare = 3% overhead
For-profit insurance = 20% overhead
Surely somewhere there is evidence of the "donations" Ryan has gotten from the insurance industry to keep this plan afloat.

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