Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

highplainsdem

(49,005 posts)
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 11:07 PM Sep 2018

David Cay Johnston thread on the "much bigger problem" Avenatti is revealing about our govt

Last edited Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:08 AM - Edit history (2)





1/ If witnesses can show Kavanaugh took part in multiple gang rapes/trains of men with drunk/drugged women, as @MichaelAvenatti says on @Maddow we have a much bigger problem than a flawed SCOTUS nominee.








2/ We also need to know how Kavanaugh got past 6 @FBI background checks; what @SenateGOP & especially @SenMajLdr McConnell knew or suspected in trying to rush nomination through; what @GOP staffers knew; and much more requiring another special prosecutor and...








3/ Kavanaugh must resign his judgeship if any of gang rapes or “trains” of men assaulting drunk/drugged women are true. If in places like Maryland, which has no statute of limitations on rape Kavanaugh, perhaps Mark Judge, others must be prosecuted & if convicted imprisoned.








4/ So far @MichaelAvenatti has been spot on in his corruption accusations. I hope he is dead wrong here because if he is right It’s Even Worse Than You (or I) Think.








5/ we must not let @SenateGOP shut this down if Kavanaugh withdraws, say it’s over. It’s our government, we own it, we must act like owners. Any senator who knew or knew enough to be suspicious should resign. @SenateMajLdr, his staff &Judiciary staff need to be investigated.




Editing to add a 6th tweet posted half an hour after the 5th one:





6/ Kavanaugh file, of which only a sliver was released, needs to be reviewed. Anything that touches on rape & related sex crimes; conspiracies to commit or to cover up such crimes; lying, etc., needs to be made public along with naming who saw the file, what they did.




Editing again to add a 7th tweet:





7/ most pregnant of specific ??? from @MichaelAvenatti: “did you ever object or attempt to prevent” a gang rape or taking advantage of drunk/drugged woman. Implication: Avenatti has woman who cried for help or man or woman who tried to intervene & Kavanaugh blocked help.

48 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
David Cay Johnston thread on the "much bigger problem" Avenatti is revealing about our govt (Original Post) highplainsdem Sep 2018 OP
Bingo.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2018 #1
This is why Grassley immediately Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #47
K&R Docreed2003 Sep 2018 #2
Absolutely. moondust Sep 2018 #3
The truth will out. Nt spooky3 Sep 2018 #4
K&R Scurrilous Sep 2018 #5
Once Avenatti's client goes public, all hell is going to break loose. triron Sep 2018 #6
I think Rachel's questions showed she suspects a lot more. triron Sep 2018 #7
Rachel said NBC hadn't yet investigated Avenatti's story, but she doesnt put any old rumors up on Amaryllis Sep 2018 #19
Well said !! donkeypoofed Sep 2018 #8
x1000! peggysue2 Sep 2018 #9
Do FBI background checks really go back that far? underpants Sep 2018 #10
yep. triron Sep 2018 #13
For SCOTUS appointments, the FBI background checks go back to your youth. SunSeeker Sep 2018 #21
Except in this case!!! atreides1 Sep 2018 #28
There were a lot of deviations from the norm in this case. SunSeeker Sep 2018 #39
Sadly, there were people who KNEW that Thomas had done Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #45
FBI background checks DavidCayJohnston Sep 2018 #25
Thank you for that information Mr. Johnston NewJeffCT Sep 2018 #36
Thank you for your exposure on this. geardaddy Sep 2018 #37
I was interviewed when a college roommate of mine had a high-level check obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #40
My brother had a top secret clearance for his work in the Navy OMGWTF Sep 2018 #38
That raises a whole 'nother' issue: Samspadesnark Sep 2018 #43
K&R FailureToCommunicate Sep 2018 #11
I do not know who Johnson is, but strong. I like. Aroar-ra Sep 2018 #12
He's written some brilliant books about Trump, among other great writing. Wikipedia: highplainsdem Sep 2018 #15
Thank you. Aroar-ra Sep 2018 #18
our government has a cancer Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #14
Could it be useful to demonstrate? BadgerMom Sep 2018 #16
If this blows wide open watoos Sep 2018 #17
They need to look at the FBI screening results jmbar2 Sep 2018 #20
K&R! gademocrat7 Sep 2018 #22
This man should have been eliminated weeks ago for his professional failings RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #23
AND, he "interviewed" very poorly , even before all of this came out. maddiemom Sep 2018 #35
I WANT to see Al Franken back. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #46
I've been asking this,all along onetexan Sep 2018 #24
Save some time and start the investigation with McConnell and Grassley world wide wally Sep 2018 #26
with you on that rurallib Sep 2018 #27
I've seen some background checks that were involved treestar Sep 2018 #29
An attorney who defended Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings was on NPR this morning, Nitram Sep 2018 #33
K&R The Greedy Old Perverts own Kavanaugh and they are now complicit in his crimes. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #30
"We must take our government back!" Abso-fucking-lutely! Nitram Sep 2018 #31
K&R... spanone Sep 2018 #32
In a nutshell. Boom! bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #34
I've seen reports of GOP Staffers knowing more was coming last week lovemydogs Sep 2018 #41
Besides the sensational stuff disndat Sep 2018 #42
Yes, why have the Democrats not probed his shady-looking finances more? IphengeniaBlumgarten Sep 2018 #48
Can you serve on the Supreme Court while in a Maryland state prison? tclambert Sep 2018 #44

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
47. This is why Grassley immediately
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:12 PM
Sep 2018

embargoed 90% of Kavanaugh's file.

Which means that he - and Bitch McConnell - knew ALL ALONG who and what Kavanaugh is. They are complicit up to their eye sockets in this and must be held accountable.

WE HAVE GOT TO STOP PUSSY-FOOTING AROUND AND GET SERIOUS ABOUT HOLDING PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE.

VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE

triron

(22,007 posts)
6. Once Avenatti's client goes public, all hell is going to break loose.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 11:18 PM
Sep 2018

If you think last 2 days were crazy just wait.

Amaryllis

(9,525 posts)
19. Rachel said NBC hadn't yet investigated Avenatti's story, but she doesnt put any old rumors up on
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:03 AM
Sep 2018

her show. You can bet she checked it out with him and made sure it was credible first.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
8. Well said !!
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 11:22 PM
Sep 2018

I agree ! This can't be dropped. And hey, maybe this will male our fondest wish come true- the arrest and imprisonment of McConnell. Please let it be so.

peggysue2

(10,833 posts)
9. x1000!
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 11:24 PM
Sep 2018

If any of these men knew the dirt was out there and pushed this nominee anyway? They need to resign. It would certainly explain why Kavanaugh's confirmation was being jammed through--they all knew and wanted him confirmed before anyone found out.

The whole thing is disgusting, particularly by a group of men who wish to deny women agency over their own bodies and reproductive health. And now we're suppose to pretend that these alleged accusations are 'frivolous, mere fantasy, the product of mixed-up women?"

May they all rot in hell for this!

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
21. For SCOTUS appointments, the FBI background checks go back to your youth.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:06 AM
Sep 2018

For example, Anthony Kennedy was asked if he shoplifted as a kid, and whether he ever had "kinky sex":

Millions of Americans with security clearances or government jobs are asked probing questions about their loyalty, reliability and character in FBI background checks. But for Supreme Court contenders, the inquiry goes far deeper.

Justice Anthony Kennedy sat through 10-plus hours of FBI interviews — and a three-hour session with the attorney general and White House counsel in which all "conceivable no-holds-barred questions were asked," according to a memorandum archived in the Reagan Library.

Among the questions Kennedy was asked: Have you ever engaged in kinky sex? Did you shoplift as a kid? What about any associations with groups like the Klu Klux Klan? Ever abuse a girlfriend? Engage in cruelty to animals? And tell us about sex in college: How often, how many women, and did you ever contract a venereal disease?


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/the-intrusive-investigation-behind-supreme-court-nominations

atreides1

(16,082 posts)
28. Except in this case!!!
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:19 AM
Sep 2018

I believe that Wray assigned this to agents that the White House picked...in other words it appears that the fix was in from the beginning!!!

Just a theory, because good investigators don't miss this kind of history, unless they were told what to investigate and what to ignore!!!

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
39. There were a lot of deviations from the norm in this case.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:38 AM
Sep 2018

Ok, I can understand how they might have missed this on the first go round. The FBI missed it with Clarence Thomas as well. But for the White House to refuse to request that the FBI reopen the background check after the allegations surfaced is truly unprecedented and appalling. And for the Senate to refuse to call any witnesses, other than the victim herself, amounts to a GOP coverup.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
45. Sadly, there were people who KNEW that Thomas had done
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:03 PM
Sep 2018

everything Anita Hill claimed he did. And more. David Brock wrote a great book, "Blinded By the Right," in which he discusses this in exquisite detail. He had carried water for the RNC on Thomas and was horrified when he discovered that they had lied to him all along. It was no less than Theodore Olsen who told Brock "of course, it's true." And that he (and others) knew it to be true yet refused to reveal the facts because they wanted Thomas on the Court as a rubber stamp.

So republicans lying their asses off and doing whatever it takes to pack the Court with their corrupt cronies is not news.

DavidCayJohnston

(17 posts)
25. FBI background checks
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:30 AM
Sep 2018

Background checks include questions on good character, etc. But unless you were tipped, and assuming the candidate lied, then things that would make you subject to blackmail like sexual assaults including gang rapes would not be asked about -- shows a real flaw in the system...

FYI, I've been interviewed as a reference for people getting security clearances.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
36. Thank you for that information Mr. Johnston
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:26 AM
Sep 2018

Welcome to DU as well.

if McConnell, Grassley and others were involved in the cover-up, they should be forced to resign as well.

obamanut2012

(26,083 posts)
40. I was interviewed when a college roommate of mine had a high-level check
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:43 AM
Sep 2018

Twenty years after she was my roommate!

OMGWTF

(3,962 posts)
38. My brother had a top secret clearance for his work in the Navy
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:38 AM
Sep 2018

and the FBI interviewed the owner of the corner grocery store near our childhood home about his behavior growing-up.

Samspadesnark

(75 posts)
43. That raises a whole 'nother' issue:
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:24 PM
Sep 2018

Did Kavanaugh ask any of his friends to lie to him while they were questioned by the FBI as part of his background checks? I had very high security clearances for a former government position, and the FBI actually came to my hometown and talked to neighbors, etc. It never occurred to me to tell anyone how to respond. I merely told my old neighbors that I had applied for a high-security position, and the FBI might well be visiting them soon. They said, " they've already been here!", and I just laughed, marveling at the efficiency of the organization I hold in such high regard. I do not know the level of security clearance that a federal judge must possess, but would think it should be substantial. After all, as part of their position they may have to review confidential government documents and, as I did, they have to take an oath of office. Kavanaugh strikes me as easily blackmailable and a high security risk for many reasons.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,356 posts)
14. our government has a cancer
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 11:36 PM
Sep 2018

This disease must be found and removed. I suspect that McCONnell is one of the malignant cells.

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
16. Could it be useful to demonstrate?
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 11:42 PM
Sep 2018

Kavanaugh is not polling well. Rachel had numbers from Fox, if memory serves, and they were staggeringly bad. Obama won two elections decisively but his SC nominee was blocked. Garland was OUR nominee. Not only were we denied Merrick, Kavanaugh is being crammed down our collective throats for reasons I cannot fully understand without factoring in massive corruption. I’m all in for voting and doing everything possible to help others vote in November. I’ve been feeling for a few days we need something sooner and dramatic. Protests? Demonstrations?

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
17. If this blows wide open
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 11:45 PM
Sep 2018

Every Republican Senator who is up for election needs to be held accountable for committing to voting for this monster. Democrats need to remind the voters every damn day up to election day.

jmbar2

(4,899 posts)
20. They need to look at the FBI screening results
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:04 AM
Sep 2018

If he passed, they aren't doing a good job. Which I kind of doubt.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
23. This man should have been eliminated weeks ago for his professional failings
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:30 AM
Sep 2018

If he wasn't a sleazebag behind closed doors, he'd be on the court being a sleazebag at the office.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
35. AND, he "interviewed" very poorly , even before all of this came out.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:59 AM
Sep 2018

He was obviously ill-prepared, fudging and floundering. Too bad Al Franken couldn't have been there to add his incisive questioning, as well: poetic justice.

onetexan

(13,043 posts)
24. I've been asking this,all along
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:58 AM
Sep 2018

How did this shmuck get past all the due diligence & got appointed a judge (a lifetime position at that) in the 1st place? answer: good ol boy network.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
29. I've seen some background checks that were involved
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:06 AM
Sep 2018

and you had to list former dating partners.

But even that would not have revealed this stuff.

Though for federal judges, maybe it can involve high school, but you might have to talk to every student to get this kind of information.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
33. An attorney who defended Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings was on NPR this morning,
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:24 AM
Sep 2018

and she said that the most important thing we've learned is that the background check process needs to include an investigation into whether the candidate has ever been suspected of sexual assault.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
30. K&R The Greedy Old Perverts own Kavanaugh and they are now complicit in his crimes.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:09 AM
Sep 2018

Every one of them should be registered as a sex offender.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
31. "We must take our government back!" Abso-fucking-lutely!
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:21 AM
Sep 2018

These goons have hijacked our democracy and we need to take it back. Yes, there is a vast left wing conspiracy! It is a conspiracy to restore constitutional protections, and checks and balances. It is a conspiracy to turn the government around and start serving the people rather than the wealthy and their corporations. It is a conspiracy to kick corrupt Republican traitors out of office and pay for their crimes against our nation.

lovemydogs

(575 posts)
41. I've seen reports of GOP Staffers knowing more was coming last week
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:10 PM
Sep 2018

A couple of democratic staffers privy to the fact that several GOP staffers knew of the New Yorker story coming out last week.
They knew more was coming in regard to Kavanaugh.
Whether they told Grassley or other GOP committee members is not known as everyone asked pleads innocence.

Huffington Post has an item this AM on it.

disndat

(1,887 posts)
42. Besides the sensational stuff
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:28 PM
Sep 2018

What about his gambling addiction and his $200,000 debt which was mysteriously paid off recently?
I should think that alone is enough to disqualify Kav. Apparently Trump got him to promise, if Kav becomes Justice, not to indict him if Mueller's investigations turn up criminal offenses.

48. Yes, why have the Democrats not probed his shady-looking finances more?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:30 PM
Sep 2018

Perhaps sex assaults are easier for people to understand, and get more attention right now. If he is confirmed, I certainly hope that they continue to investigate his finances. It is probably at lot easier to track the money than to prove assaults that happened so many years ago. If there are bribes or other financial misbehaviors that might be his un-doing, even if he has been confirmed.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»David Cay Johnston thread...