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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:35 AM Sep 2018

GOP Plan To Rule For 50 Years Through SCOTUS, Federal Courts Is What It Is All About.

It will not matter if the GOP is a small minority of Congress they can rule the country through a corrupted, tainted and compromised federal court system. that could go down to the state level as well. Buy or install all your own referees and you can knock down ALL the legislation you do not like and you can paralyze the country and rule at your will.

Recent SCOTUS decisions point exactly to the plan. You can even rule constitutional laws that are clearly and blatantly against everything the Constitution stands for. The idea that "nothing SPECIFICALLY not mentioned in the Constitution" is is unconstitutional is the plan and the "welfare" clause means ONLY the military and security is legitimate.

So you can close almost every government agency that is NOT the Defense Department and Homeland Security.

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GOP Plan To Rule For 50 Years Through SCOTUS, Federal Courts Is What It Is All About. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Sep 2018 OP
Sounds pretty accurate to me. pangaia Sep 2018 #1
They cannot beat the demographic shifts. They know that their voter suppression efforts are just Trust Buster Sep 2018 #2
I had an interesting talk with a legal hispanic immigrant last week wherein I learned that he KPN Sep 2018 #17
Why do you think they Iliyah Sep 2018 #3
Exactly -- which is why we ought to be behaving as if we are at war right now. KPN Sep 2018 #18
That plan won't work marylandblue Sep 2018 #4
Good point. Hope you're right. But I have to wonder how today's corporate media KPN Sep 2018 #20
Maybe, but one significant difference with past examples... JHB Sep 2018 #35
If the Democrats win big in 2020, they will pack the courts marylandblue Sep 2018 #42
+100% lunasun Sep 2018 #5
It is not pure politics though treestar Sep 2018 #6
You mean like Citizens United? KPN Sep 2018 #21
A far right court will invalidate every progressive piece of legislation for 50 years from kairos12 Sep 2018 #7
A Democratic Congress & POTUS could add liberal justices to the SCOTUS malchickiwick Sep 2018 #8
Agreed! See my sig line! Lucky Luciano Sep 2018 #13
They were ready to go that route back in 2012 when they nearly struck down the ACA. StevieM Sep 2018 #9
Methinks there's faulty confidence in that. The ACA left a lot of descretion to States. KPN Sep 2018 #22
I think you are missing my point. StevieM Sep 2018 #44
This: RedSpartan Sep 2018 #10
That's truly their plan bluestarone Sep 2018 #11
Governments derive their power from the consent of the governed... Moostache Sep 2018 #41
Depends on when Thomas dies qazplm135 Sep 2018 #12
trump's been warned DownriverDem Sep 2018 #15
Huh? He's only 70. What do you know that I don't? KPN Sep 2018 #23
what's the average lifespan for an American male? qazplm135 Sep 2018 #33
Avg life expectancy for 70 year old male is KPN Sep 2018 #45
well neither of those things are going to happen qazplm135 Sep 2018 #48
Well, I do hope are right about Thomas. I think we've got a good shot at killing Kavanaugh's KPN Sep 2018 #52
Thomas really doesn't look very healthy. RedSpartan Sep 2018 #24
Exactly DownriverDem Sep 2018 #14
Rachael Called It Years Ago Firestorm49 Sep 2018 #16
Koch-type zillionaires + white nationalists + religious right. Hortensis Sep 2018 #19
Oh heck, let's legislate AND chop! KPN Sep 2018 #25
:) Let's just say I wouldn't put my life on the line to Hortensis Sep 2018 #26
There is no GOP anymore. Johonny Sep 2018 #27
The GOP has transformed into elmac Sep 2018 #29
Yup Johonny Sep 2018 #47
Yeah! Let's eliminate the Airforce. They aren't mentioned. Kablooie Sep 2018 #28
I hope the people that didn't vote leftynyc Sep 2018 #30
In 2006 2 women were indicted, arrested, tried, and convicted for rigging the Cuyahoga County ... Botany Sep 2018 #31
Completely agree. Here is an eye opener jmbar2 Sep 2018 #32
To quote Charles Koch: "If you don't have the courts, you've got nothing." ancianita Sep 2018 #34
Pretty much. nt SunSeeker Sep 2018 #36
Yup. Our side is not zentrum Sep 2018 #37
Sheldon Adelson has more money than the Kochs. saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #38
Reality - either the current structure is reformed or the union dissolves by 2040. Moostache Sep 2018 #39
And they're willing to take a hit in the next election to get it. eppur_se_muova Sep 2018 #40
Congress is slowly neutering itself. Orsino Sep 2018 #50
That's the plan. Devious bastards. Most people have no idea that an independent fed judiciary is our Pepsidog Sep 2018 #43
People are just noticing? Retrograde Sep 2018 #46
Through money. Money is what it's all about. Orsino Sep 2018 #49
These things go in cycles. The repukes represent the past. One cannot hold back change forever Thekaspervote Sep 2018 #51
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
2. They cannot beat the demographic shifts. They know that their voter suppression efforts are just
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:39 AM
Sep 2018

A short term bandage. They see the judicial branch as their only lifeline.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
17. I had an interesting talk with a legal hispanic immigrant last week wherein I learned that he
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:05 AM
Sep 2018

and his wife are Libertarians. They have achieved what I would call upper middle class stature and are upwardly mobile. They both work for government. Are we sure we can count on demographic shifts to hold conservatives at bay?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. Why do you think they
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:46 AM
Sep 2018

colluded with the Russians to rig the elections. In my opinion GOPers are so fucked up, they will destroy the USA while destroying themselves.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
18. Exactly -- which is why we ought to be behaving as if we are at war right now.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:06 AM
Sep 2018

This nomination is a fight for our nation's and democracy's survival; not to be hyperbolic, but conceivably even maybe even the world's/mankind's.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. That plan won't work
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:48 AM
Sep 2018

It's been tried twice. Before the Civil War in the Dred Scott decision and in the New Deal. In both cases, the court's decisions undermined its own legitimacy. The first led to the Civil War. In the New Deal, the court changed its mind after the 1936 election.

So, I predict that if Dems win decisive victories in 2018 and 2020, the courts will follow. If we don't win, blame your fellow voters who'd rather live in 1850 than 2050.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
20. Good point. Hope you're right. But I have to wonder how today's corporate media
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:12 AM
Sep 2018

and the internet might affect that past dynamic. We need to be vigilant and do everything we can to keep Kavanaugh and any other Trump appointee off the bench.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
35. Maybe, but one significant difference with past examples...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:15 PM
Sep 2018

Conservatives have made a point of placing ideological fellow travelers in the courts. The whole purpose of the Federalist Society is to act as a recruiting and grooming site. What we're seeing now is part of a process that they've been engaged in since the late 70s.

They don't always end up with that they expect, but men like Thomas and Kavanaugh were chosen precisely because they had "conservatively correct" politics, were reliable operatives, and were young enough to stay on the court for decades.

The support system for them to keep their current views and not bend to the will of the people may be more organized than in the past.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
42. If the Democrats win big in 2020, they will pack the courts
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:41 PM
Sep 2018

I think there will be an historic political shift to the left bigger than anything since 1932.

So my prediction is based on a really big "if."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
6. It is not pure politics though
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:22 AM
Sep 2018

They have to come up with some legal rationale. It will be a real shame on them if they write completely absurd and illogical opinions.

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
7. A far right court will invalidate every progressive piece of legislation for 50 years from
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:27 AM
Sep 2018

Congress or State legislatures.

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
8. A Democratic Congress & POTUS could add liberal justices to the SCOTUS
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:28 AM
Sep 2018

Or, assuming Democrats can eventually form a super-majority in the Senate, impeach and oust the corrupt fuckers.

And, yes, I know FDR tried packing the court and it was very unpopular, but I think the context of how those current seats have been stolen would make my scenario different in the court of public opinion.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
9. They were ready to go that route back in 2012 when they nearly struck down the ACA.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:28 AM
Sep 2018

That would have been one of the most extraordinary rulings in American history. Chief Justice Roberts backed down at the last moment.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
22. Methinks there's faulty confidence in that. The ACA left a lot of descretion to States.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:18 AM
Sep 2018

I believe Roberts was comforted by that.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
44. I think you are missing my point.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:36 PM
Sep 2018

My point is that they came very close to doing away with American democracy in 2012, and they are at a point where they are now ready to go all the way and do it.

In other words, I have no confidence in the Supreme Court at all.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
41. Governments derive their power from the consent of the governed...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:39 PM
Sep 2018

If the "plan" is to permanently thwart the will of the people by any means necessary, then the current governmental structure will be replaced one way or another....their "plan" has as much potential for long-term success as their party does...

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
12. Depends on when Thomas dies
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:45 AM
Sep 2018

if it's sooner than folks might think, then it might flip the court 5-4 liberal assuming Trump doesn't add anyone else and Dems win in 2020 and say 2024.

I'd be pretty surprised if he lasts through 2024.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
33. what's the average lifespan for an American male?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:01 PM
Sep 2018

78.7. He'd be 76 in 2024. the average age of retirement for SC Justices is only four years older than that.

They don't usually die on the bench, they usually retire, so to me there's a significant likelihood he retires by or before then.
No guarantee for sure, but definitely a likelihood.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
45. Avg life expectancy for 70 year old male is
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:18 PM
Sep 2018

currently 85+. Can’t count on him being gone in 2024. We need to kill any further SCOTUS noms by this illegitimate President starting with Kavanaugh. Then we need to impeach Gorsuch on the basis of an illegitimate appointment. Some wishful thinking I know — but that has to be our strategy.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
48. well neither of those things are going to happen
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:30 PM
Sep 2018

and like I said, the average for retirement is only 4 years longer than he will be in 2024 so that at the very least means a 50/50 chance.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
52. Well, I do hope are right about Thomas. I think we've got a good shot at killing Kavanaugh's
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 10:19 AM
Sep 2018

appointment. If not, there will be a lot of anger across America ... and who knows what that may achieve.

Firestorm49

(4,035 posts)
16. Rachael Called It Years Ago
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:58 AM
Sep 2018

A while ago, sorry but I don’t know when, Rachael had a Republican operative on her show. During the prelude to the interview she called this man one of the sharpest and smartest political operatives in the country. He was the one who developed the long term Republican strategy to begin packing the courts with Republicans - that is to say, every possible electable court position in every state in the republic.

Rachael had the knowledge and understanding to recognize this man as creating a movement under the noses of Democrats, and she applauded the accomplishment. Combine this with the article recently posted in DU, “The Skeleton Holding The Smoking Gun”, and you realize the true intent and shear danger of the Republican Party. History is proving itself.

If anybody, like those who know basically nothing about the seige we are under, and those who chose not to vote out of either ignorance or complacency, thinks that life in America will be another verse in Kunbaya, as long as Republicans dangle the strings, they have another guess coming.

Their plan has been developed and put into play years ago. Where are we?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Koch-type zillionaires + white nationalists + religious right.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:09 AM
Sep 2018

Although many wealthy call themselves libertarians, there's actually a great deal of overlap between these competing/cooperating groups.

The GOP has been taken over and is being run as their elective political arm. Chop off the heads of every Republican in congress, and they would be replaced.

We have to legislate the destruction of these new classes that have sprung up so wealthy that they are incompatible with democracy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. :) Let's just say I wouldn't put my life on the line to
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:31 AM
Sep 2018

stop a trumpster mob that imagined that would solve their Republican leadership problem. Being them, though, they'd probably boil over when congress was out of session.

Johonny

(20,854 posts)
27. There is no GOP anymore.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:32 AM
Sep 2018

There last party convention was a who isn't who of losers.

This supreme courts job is to cement the oligarchy, not to support the GOP. Look for weird out of the box decisions that GOP voters never saw coming because they believe in an imaginary platform of an imaginary party. It's why their congress doesn't do anything for them, their president really doesn't do anything for them...there's no platform to do anything for them. There's no model of governance they're trying to achieve. It's a group of pasty old white guys pushing and shoving all trying to pass very narrow minded agendas that don't mesh with each other while holding on to get rich schemes for themselves.

Botany

(70,522 posts)
31. In 2006 2 women were indicted, arrested, tried, and convicted for rigging the Cuyahoga County ...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:58 AM
Sep 2018

... (Cleveland), OH recount of the 2004 election and they were sentenced to prison but
a republican judge voided their convictions and let them walk.

jmbar2

(4,897 posts)
32. Completely agree. Here is an eye opener
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:58 AM
Sep 2018

On Sept 21, 2018, the Federalist Society (Koch/hard right libertarian) held a panel discussion on the upcoming Supreme Court agenda, as well as significant cases percolating up from the lower courts. The featured speaker is Noel Francisco, who will replace Rod Rosenstein if/when he gets fired.

In his review of past and future cases before the courts, Francisco emphasizes that many of the cases coming up are challenges to established precedent.

The vid is about an hour and a half, but you can learn a lot from the first 15 minutes or so. It is clear why they want this guy to replace Rosenstein ASAP. They have a list of established precedents that they want to overturn. It's chilling.

Take a few minutes to watch. Then, make sure you are registered to vote!

&feature=youtu.be

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
38. Sheldon Adelson has more money than the Kochs.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:25 PM
Sep 2018

He spends millions to influence elections and the judicial system.

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Sheldon_Adelson

2012 Investigation by US Justice Department
Since early 2012, Adelson has been the subject of a Justice Department investigation inquiring into activities at Adelson-controlled casinos in Macau, a special administrative region of China, west of Hong Kong. Adelson is suspected of violating sections of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (which prohibits the bribing of foreign officials) while dealing with the Chinese government. [8]

Emails leaked by ex-company employees prompted the investigation, Adelson allegedly instructed a top executive to make a $700,000 payment to Leonel Alves, a Macau legislator, to help resolve two issues: a lawsuit by a Taiwanese businessman and permission to sell luxury apartments in Macau. [9] Adelson instructed executives at the Macau casino to pay the official despite warnings from his general counsel that the payment could violate of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. [10] The Chinese government has fined Adelson's company $1.6 million for regulations violations [11]


Adelson's casino empire is also under investigation for possibly violating federal money-laundering laws, by accepting millions from high-rolling gamblers accused of drug trafficking and embezzlement. The company did not report the receipt of hundreds of millions of dollars from gamblers accused of drug-dealing and embezzlement [12] [13]

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
39. Reality - either the current structure is reformed or the union dissolves by 2040.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:28 PM
Sep 2018

A minority of appointed judges cannot be allowed to thwart the will of the people in a representative republic. Maybe we have to ditch the entire structure of the House, Senate, Presidency and SCOTUS composition and terms. Maybe a better government would be a parliamentary system.

I would LOVE to see Trump face questions in a House of Commons-like setting...it would be pure comedic gold.

eppur_se_muova

(36,271 posts)
40. And they're willing to take a hit in the next election to get it.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:29 PM
Sep 2018

Making 45 a lame duck for two years may be rough on his twitter thumbs, but perfectly OK with the GOP. They know voters have short memories, that's how Uglicans keep getting elected.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
50. Congress is slowly neutering itself.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:42 PM
Sep 2018

They are willing to allow direct rule by the wealthy, and busy themselves doing nothing while our democracy is bought out from under us. The current GOP majority knows its days may be numbered, but they will saddle us with a Supreme court that can be counted upon to line-item veto any law a Democratic Congress manages to pass.

They'll have the Constitution reinterpreted so as to make it impossible to enact progressive reforms that stick.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
43. That's the plan. Devious bastards. Most people have no idea that an independent fed judiciary is our
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:41 PM
Sep 2018

last line of defense we individuals have to combat a tyrannical govt. Once that is gone to the far right, we need to get ready for a evangelical theocracy. Value Voters, Moral Majority etc. it’s enough to want to make me vomit.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
46. People are just noticing?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:46 PM
Sep 2018

That's why McConnell is pushing for a vote: he knows the House and possibly the Senate will turn Democratic after the next election, but so what? They change hands regularly. Meanwhile, Thomas, Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch and all those on the lower federal benches will be there for decades.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
49. Through money. Money is what it's all about.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:40 PM
Sep 2018

Our steadfast refusal to regulate the private financing of political campaigns led us here, allowing the sort of Supreme court to fester that would give us Citizens United. We want money to buy power, and for that wealth to be hereditary. We want aristocracy, and now we have it.

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
51. These things go in cycles. The repukes represent the past. One cannot hold back change forever
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:51 PM
Sep 2018

Just like the repukes, we need to and are learning to play the long game. They cannot hold progression in check indefinitely. They will loose... it’s a faulty plan.

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