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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:41 PM Sep 2018

Michael Avenatti Has a Strategy - It Could Work, So I'm Not "Concerned"

He has a client who might be able to shed some more light on Kavanaugh's lack of character and rapey mindset.

His client, however, isn't quite ready to make her statement yet, and time's short. So Avenatti is dropping crumbs for the media to follow, building up anticipation and doing whatever his client needs.

Some people are, you know, "concerned" about his strategy. And that's supposed to get the rest of us "concerned."

Well, given the situation, I'm OK with letting the attorney work his strategy. He might just have the final blow ready to hammer everything home.

I'm not concerned. I'm hopeful.

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Michael Avenatti Has a Strategy - It Could Work, So I'm Not "Concerned" (Original Post) MineralMan Sep 2018 OP
+1. K&R. n/t rzemanfl Sep 2018 #1
Avenatti knows what he is doing. I wish we had more just like him. Meadowoak Sep 2018 #2
He certainly has a knack for getting coverage for his clients. MineralMan Sep 2018 #5
Exactly. And now the "concern" is over who Avenatti worked for before, as if R B Garr Sep 2018 #66
Remember that Michael worked for Rahm Emmanuel in Chicago politics. Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #6
And isn't a fighter just what you hope your attorney is? MineralMan Sep 2018 #8
I'd rather my lawyer be effective mythology Sep 2018 #36
I believe that the lawsuit was revealed to be a set-up Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #56
Ditto. zentrum Sep 2018 #65
K&R Nevilledog Sep 2018 #3
Yep...let him rock! SHRED Sep 2018 #4
I was expecting the asshat to be confirmed already so - OhZone Sep 2018 #7
I believe Avenatti is going for maximum impact TNLib Sep 2018 #9
Well, I hope Avenatti's bombshell drops on Wednesday. MineralMan Sep 2018 #11
He was on CNN last night and he said "within 48 hours" FakeNoose Sep 2018 #50
I love the alliteration. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #57
Good one! calimary Sep 2018 #62
When the clam opens saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #10
Yes. I hope Avenatti makes Trump drop his two scoops on the carpet. MineralMan Sep 2018 #13
You almost made me Samspadesnark Sep 2018 #24
+1 shanny Sep 2018 #12
These waters are uncharted, we don't know what we Ninga Sep 2018 #14
True enough. What we don't know today, though, MineralMan Sep 2018 #15
Of course we don't Tdog Sep 2018 #49
I also think it's good to let folks lie for a few days and then BOOM. Avenatti has my support FromTheAshes Sep 2018 #16
While it's clear he is into some serious self promotion. WeekiWater Sep 2018 #17
He is who he is. MineralMan Sep 2018 #18
He does appear to be good at getting publicity. WeekiWater Sep 2018 #19
GOOD! You're damn right it's valuable, WeekiWater! calimary Sep 2018 #46
i'm confused Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #20
Well, in the current news environment, there's a lot of noise, so MineralMan Sep 2018 #21
I agree, MM peggysue2 Sep 2018 #22
Have to agree justie18 Sep 2018 #26
Thank Dave in VA Sep 2018 #23
So far he has come through 100% lunatica Sep 2018 #25
Bottom line Sucha NastyWoman Sep 2018 #68
There's really only one person in DU who is concerned. And he's a troll. Squinch Sep 2018 #27
But he always gets these little tag-alongs, doesn't he? Odd... Hekate Sep 2018 #35
We already have a Master Showboater. libdem4life Sep 2018 #28
K&R... spanone Sep 2018 #29
You and me both. Trump is a circus ringmaster when it comes to media, always has been... Hekate Sep 2018 #30
Yup. There are always "concerns" when we're inching ahead. MineralMan Sep 2018 #31
Some times, really irritating people have a knack for doing something well. Nobody's perfect. Doitnow Sep 2018 #32
This is a heck of lot more than "showmanship." watoos Sep 2018 #33
And he's freakin' BRILLIANT at it. Both changing the narrative AND calimary Sep 2018 #44
to delay as much as possible is a good strategy AlexSFCA Sep 2018 #34
MMM-HMMM! String it out as long as possible. calimary Sep 2018 #39
If Kavanaugh is confirmed, it won't be Avenatti's fault. Iggo Sep 2018 #37
Neither am I. I wish we could clone him. calimary Sep 2018 #38
i will second your thoughts...we needs tens of thousands of him questionseverything Sep 2018 #41
Agreed. Because all the other "strategies" have worked SO well so far. Let Avenatti do his thing. ancianita Sep 2018 #40
I root for him but.. johnnyknj Sep 2018 #42
Welcome to DU, johnnyknj! calimary Sep 2018 #45
The less time Avenatti gives the Reps to counter, the better. He's OnDoutside Sep 2018 #43
Avenatti's client calls the shots it is her life being disrupted. gordianot Sep 2018 #47
Gang rape is rape multiplied. MineralMan Sep 2018 #48
K&R bluestarone Sep 2018 #51
I've seen Trumpians this afternoon claim that he's been snookered Goodheart Sep 2018 #52
Avenatti has denied that to CBS- I just posted news story from CBS in another thread wishstar Sep 2018 #53
Let's say his strategy falls on its face. BobTheSubgenius Sep 2018 #54
cute Michael Avenatti bdamomma Sep 2018 #55
K&R Puzzler Sep 2018 #58
I'm not concerned either bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #59
Hope is the thing with feathers oberliner Sep 2018 #60
Do you still think Kavanaugh will cave before Thursday? Tipperary Sep 2018 #61
It doesn't look like it. MineralMan Sep 2018 #64
Yes, I agree with you on this. It is as if they are simply doubling down. Tipperary Sep 2018 #67
I have been assuming that Avenatti knows exactly what he is doing. He has never let us down before. Nitram Sep 2018 #63

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. He certainly has a knack for getting coverage for his clients.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:46 PM
Sep 2018

As far as I can tell, he's working hard for them. Some people are "concerned" that he's using women who are his clients. I think he's working hard FOR them.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
66. Exactly. And now the "concern" is over who Avenatti worked for before, as if
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 11:01 AM
Sep 2018

helping only certain types of Democrats would make him okay. Thanks for keeping things in perspective here, MM!

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
6. Remember that Michael worked for Rahm Emmanuel in Chicago politics.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:46 PM
Sep 2018

And Rahm is known as a hard-knuckle in-fighter.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
8. And isn't a fighter just what you hope your attorney is?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:47 PM
Sep 2018

He seems to be going all in for his clients.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
36. I'd rather my lawyer be effective
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:14 PM
Sep 2018

Avenatti to me, seems more in it for attention for himself. He is at best careless with regards to business, hence why he's been sued and lost on business matters repeatedly.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
56. I believe that the lawsuit was revealed to be a set-up
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:35 PM
Sep 2018

by deep deep republican pockets and has been dismissed. The man behind it was a shady character without the means to prove his case and ended up not having the standing to pursue it further.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
9. I believe Avenatti is going for maximum impact
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:50 PM
Sep 2018

Either on Thursday or after thursday he's going to drop the big bomb on them and in this situation their are probably other victims out there and other bombs to be dropped.

What's crazy is the GOP is sticking their head in the sand

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. Well, I hope Avenatti's bombshell drops on Wednesday.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:53 PM
Sep 2018

Thursday promises to be a very busy news day, what with the hearing and Rosenstein. Even Avenatti won't be able to break anything effectively on Thursday. But I'm sure he realizes that.

FakeNoose

(32,653 posts)
50. He was on CNN last night and he said "within 48 hours"
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:07 PM
Sep 2018

... so yes hopefully Wednesday is the day. Avenatti is carefully checking his client's story and other witnesses before he brings the whole story to the media. I think that's admirable, and also it's in his client's best interest to do that.



saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
10. When the clam opens
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:52 PM
Sep 2018

and delivers a pearl it will be worth reading the tweet. Until then just more volume twitter landfill, but that is just me.

His strategy is to poke the orange beast into reacting or spoiling his piece of daily chocolate cake.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
13. Yes. I hope Avenatti makes Trump drop his two scoops on the carpet.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:55 PM
Sep 2018

What a mess!

Twitter is what it is - a noisy place where everyone's a pundit. I don't use Twitter for politics - just business.

 

Tdog

(6 posts)
49. Of course we don't
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 06:56 PM
Sep 2018

and neither does anyone else. I mean seriously, the more he waits the more the R's circle the wagons and move this thing forward.

UGGGGGGGGGG! Get on with it!

Sorry guys, been lurking for a long time and finally signed up. This mess has got me so pissed.


T-

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
17. While it's clear he is into some serious self promotion.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:11 PM
Sep 2018

He is working for his client and she will come out on her time. We simply don't know the full story. There are serious concerns for any woman when she comes out with her story. It has to be even more difficult, and throws different aspects into play, when her story will be played out on the national stage.

I have to trust that he is working for his client and that she is making the final calls.

I'm not all that big on Avenatti but I'm concerned about Trump, Kav, and the rest of the Republicans.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
18. He is who he is.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:13 PM
Sep 2018

Clients approach him, I think. He's good at getting publicity. Everyone has a talent.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
19. He does appear to be good at getting publicity.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:15 PM
Sep 2018

That is valuable for a certain segment of clients needing an attorney. Very valuable.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
46. GOOD! You're damn right it's valuable, WeekiWater!
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:29 PM
Sep 2018

In THIS day and age, in THIS political and societal climate, it's not just valuable, it's ESSENTIAL!

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,356 posts)
20. i'm confused
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:22 PM
Sep 2018

Do "clouds and shadows" come after "concerned"? Or are clouds and shadows unique to emails? I feel like I should get this right, since I have no pearls to clutch.


Suggestion: Avenatti appears to be setting off firecrackers rather than dropping crumbs for the media. Most of today's media seem incapable of following crumbs to find the loaf. He may need to resort to a 2 by 4 between the eyes to get some to take note.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
21. Well, in the current news environment, there's a lot of noise, so
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:24 PM
Sep 2018

you need to make quite a bit of it to get noticed.

There are only so many news people and so much time. The bigger the bangs the bigger the story, i guess.

peggysue2

(10,833 posts)
22. I agree, MM
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:26 PM
Sep 2018

I have my problems with Avenatti for being basically a showboater. But . . .if he delivers the goods before the hearings on Thursday, I'll be the first to cheer. Frankly, I didn't read the Dem leadership reaction as that condemning. There are few details at this moment. What are they suppose to say?

However, if Avenatti makes good on his promise? I guarantee all Dems will rally around the man and his client. Because Kavanaugh will be toast.

Nothing wrong with hope.

justie18

(169 posts)
26. Have to agree
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:41 PM
Sep 2018

I was a big fan of Avenatti at one point, but increasingly his actions seem to be just grandstanding. The Democrats are ignoring him right now and most of the media is not interested either. It is just a tease now and comes across to some as very exploitive.

But if he delivers - great. Hope it is not too late to affect the vote for Kavanaugh.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
25. So far he has come through 100%
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:38 PM
Sep 2018

If people want to judge him then do it on the success or failure of his record.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
28. We already have a Master Showboater.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:45 PM
Sep 2018

Heck, Avenatti is even honest about his hair...no orange weave for him.

Seems he's set it up to be the more he's attacked, the more publicity and power he has. And to drop the hammer, so to speak, tomorrow...the day before the other Big Deals we've got going, when everyone will be glued to their news of preference, well that's just perfect. And the topping of whipped cream is that he doesn't need the Septuagenarians of the Senate. Guess what will dominate the news on Thursday? IMHO


Hekate

(90,719 posts)
30. You and me both. Trump is a circus ringmaster when it comes to media, always has been...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:47 PM
Sep 2018

And at this moment in time, "some people" are concerned that another showman -- younger, sharper -- has entered the ring and might give Trump a run for his money? Oh please.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
33. This is a heck of lot more than "showmanship."
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:01 PM
Sep 2018

Avenatti has done what most Democrats find trouble with, changing the narrative. Democrats have the reich wing M$M to deal with. The M$M is complicit with Republicans. There is a fight going on now about the narrative. Traitorous Republicans want us to believe that Democrats are behind a conspiracy to slander Kavanaugh. The real narrative, that Avanatti is pushing, is that Kavanaugh is a monster, that he was responsible for enabling gang rapes, that Kavanaugh deserves a seat in jail and not a seat on the SC.

Whoever wins this battle of narratives, wins the war. The public needs to see Kavanaugh for what he is, a monster. He is not just anti-woman he is anti-worker, anti-democracy.

We should all be 100% behind Avenatti and pray that his client has the strength to tell her story, the truth.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
44. And he's freakin' BRILLIANT at it. Both changing the narrative AND
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:16 PM
Sep 2018

understanding messaging. With guts and a side of backbone.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
34. to delay as much as possible is a good strategy
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:09 PM
Sep 2018

rather than quickly force kavanaugh to withdraw with all these new evidence dropping at once. Delaying helps dems to build momentum for midterms and reduce gop chances to proceed with another nominee because time will be running out. Also, we are having broader national sexual abuse conversation that is good for the country. Young girls, future voters, are paying close attention.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
39. MMM-HMMM! String it out as long as possible.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:29 PM
Sep 2018

Let the "drip-drip-drip" effect work for you.

And you're right, AlexSFCA, we ARE having a broader national sexual abuse conversation now, and that IS good for the country. It's about time we really looked at this and faced it all, and dug down into the many truths about it. And NOT let the perpetrators and abusers and predators slither away, facing NO consequences. I'm hoping Brett Kavanaugh goes down in flames, AND becomes a cautionary tale for our boys AND our girls, going forward. That you CAN'T do this shit and not have to pay for it. Bill Cosby is an excellent one. Even the mighty can fall, or be felled.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
38. Neither am I. I wish we could clone him.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:25 PM
Sep 2018

He's exactly the kind of fighter the Democrats have needed - for DECADES!

Are you sick and tired of getting rolled? Of spineless Dems who always concede? Who never fight to the death? Even when that's what they're up against - and you have NO HOPE of even getting close to a win if you're up against an adversary who fights to the death while your automatic default is to go easy on 'em?

Hell, I've been waiting all my adult life for a fighter like Michael Avenatti on our side of the political equation. It's about time! It's LONG PAST time.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
41. i will second your thoughts...we needs tens of thousands of him
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:47 PM
Sep 2018

but

I can still be concerned

I understand why he operates the way he does but it must be hard on the women knowing their time in the "barrel" is coming soon

I can be concerned that we still have to fight this crap ovr and ovr

I am concerned there is even a possibility that if half of what his letter states is true, that we have evil men in charge that will willfully ignore it

hopefully he can prove these new allegations, and change the devastating course we are on but I remember he is only human and he is fighting evil itself so

concerned is kinda my constant state

johnnyknj

(37 posts)
42. I root for him but..
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:57 PM
Sep 2018

He does have a little Trump in him. Remember, he was "very close" to identifying the guy who threatened Stormy in the parking lot - just like Trumps "investigators" were finding all that" very interesting" stuff in Hawaii about Obama's birth certificate. I like that he's a fighter but he has to deliver on the teases he throws out there.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
45. Welcome to DU, johnnyknj!
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:25 PM
Sep 2018

Hey, I can be as machiavellian as the next guy. If we take a little bit of trump - the showmanship, the shrewd manipulation, the messaging and repetition of that messaging, all that stuff. My issue is - we haven't had ANYBODY like that on our side of the aisle, who can manage perception like he can. And unfortunately, in this day and age, we need that stuff! We need attack dogs! Loud, snarling, dominating the microphones and cameras. Savvy about soundbites and appearances and the LOOK of strength. The IMAGE of strength and power and might. It's LONG PAST TIME we had somebody doing that on our side! Wielding those weapons on OUR side. And FOR our side. People like him give us something to fight for and with. And more importantly than ever, these days, something to VOTE for.

I've said it before, here: I wish we could clone him.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
43. The less time Avenatti gives the Reps to counter, the better. He's
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:58 PM
Sep 2018

screwing with them, and it scares them. All good for me.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
47. Avenatti's client calls the shots it is her life being disrupted.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:34 PM
Sep 2018

I remember years ago someone related a HighSchool story about him and some friends “pulling the train”. My reaction to his story that sounds like rape since she was at a friends and the offer was to have sex in order to get back home. This person was shocked that I would call that rape his response she was a real slut and they had sex either before. I still classify that as rape but at age 26 had never heard the term “pulling the train”. After 45 years I would still call that rape. There is a certain amount of justice getting called on such acts years later.

My daughter who works as a Director of Student Life at Liberal Arts University told me recently Kavanaugh is already the poster child at her University how bad behavior drinking, drugs, and sex can come back and bite you.

Whatever the outcome of this sordid mess Kavanaugh is marked as a disgusting man child.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
48. Gang rape is rape multiplied.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:35 PM
Sep 2018

"Pulling train" is what males call it. It's gang rape. Calling the victim a slut is a bogus excuse. It's a lie.

Goodheart

(5,334 posts)
52. I've seen Trumpians this afternoon claim that he's been snookered
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:14 PM
Sep 2018

That his secret client is nothing but a troll who conned him, and that he's had to shut down his Twitter account to hide.



wishstar

(5,270 posts)
53. Avenatti has denied that to CBS- I just posted news story from CBS in another thread
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:42 PM
Sep 2018
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-avenatti-denies-he-got-pranked-by-4chan/

"A 4Chan user posted on Tuesday that his girlfriend had called Avenatti on a burner phone and claimed to be a woman who had been assaulted by Kavanaugh in high school. He claimed that he and his girlfriend also pretended to be another person who could confirm the fictional woman's story. 4Chan is an internet message board which has been linked to the alt-right.

Avenatti told CBS News' Nancy Cordes on Tuesday that the post was false.

"There's nothing wrong! I had to go online to look, and I read this post, and I'm laughing. None of that happened. It's a complete fabrication. There's zero truth to it. When I say zero truth, I mean zero truth. Not a single thing in that is true," he said. Avenatti also said that his client was not having second thoughts about coming forward, saying that she is "remaining strong."

Avenatti tweeted on Sept. 23 that he and his client "will be demanding the opportunity to present testimony to the committee and will likewise be demanding that Judge and others be subpoenaed to testify. The nomination must be withdrawn."

Avenatti has said that his client will be coming forward shortly. Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and Deborah Ramirez have accused Kavanaugh of sexual assault during their high school and college years, respectively."

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
54. Let's say his strategy falls on its face.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:54 PM
Sep 2018

They "stall" too long, and she is unable to testify. First, it is her decision and it's not up to her to meet the expectations of others. In fact, it's time for her to receive consideration from others.

Second...how much farther is the case against BK set back? The prosecution of it, so to speak, would be exactly where it was last week, before we heard of her existence.

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)
59. I'm not concerned either
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 07:10 AM
Sep 2018

This is one of the most tainted nominations in US history. It will be re-examined early and often. Republicans are not engaged with reality, they are ignoring anything that doesn't fit their political ideology and methodology. No one can live there for extended periods, and there is always blow back.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
60. Hope is the thing with feathers
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 07:24 AM
Sep 2018

That perches in the soul -
And sings the tune without the words -
And never stops - at all.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
61. Do you still think Kavanaugh will cave before Thursday?
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 07:50 AM
Sep 2018

I am doubtful at this point, though I would rather be hopeful.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
67. Yes, I agree with you on this. It is as if they are simply doubling down.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 02:38 PM
Sep 2018

It is not only disturbing, it is frightening to me. These cretins are afraid of nothing and have NO decency.

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