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Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:27 PM Sep 2018

So, guess why gop is suddenly interested in double jeopardy

"Utah lawmaker Orrin Hatch, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee, filed a 44-page amicus brief earlier this month in Gamble v. United States, a case that will consider whether the dual-sovereignty doctrine should be put to rest."

"Republicans, always talk a good game about promoting the sovereign right of states … so long as what the states are doing agrees with them. But here Hatch is willing to take a power away from every state. And why would that be? Two words: Mueller investigation."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/25/1798610/-Republicans-are-suddenly-very-very-interested-in-double-jeopardy-law

Once again, their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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So, guess why gop is suddenly interested in double jeopardy (Original Post) Va Lefty Sep 2018 OP
The Bunk is sick of Mcnulty's bullsh tymorial Sep 2018 #1
That article is somewhat misleading... PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #2
Thanks for the info. Did not know that. Va Lefty Sep 2018 #3
This is really amazing to me. TomSlick Sep 2018 #4
Justice Ginsburg pushed for this case to be brought a year ago. onenote Sep 2018 #5

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. That article is somewhat misleading...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:49 PM
Sep 2018
In the case of Manafort, both New York and Virginia state prosecutors could have a go at recharging Trump’s campaign chair for any of the bank fraud or tax-evasion charges should Trump hand him a pardon. But Gamble could wipe that option off the table. It doesn’t mean they couldn’t try — after all, is failure to pay state taxes part of “the same act” in such a case—but it would certainly wrong-foot prosecutors and strengthen Trump’s hand when it comes to pardons.


State tax evasion and federal tax evasion are separate crimes. You can evade federal income taxes without evading state and vice versa. Prosecutions for tax evasion are unlikely to be affected by a decision on this case.

Trump administration officials prosecuted by Mueller are unlikely to be affected by this issue to any great extent - lying to the FBI and "conspiracy to defraud the United States" aren't state crimes, for example.

Also it's likely that Ruth Bader Ginsberg is one of those pushing to eliminate the separate sovereigns double jeopardy exception as in the past she has suggested the court revisit this issue.

TomSlick

(11,100 posts)
4. This is really amazing to me.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:31 PM
Sep 2018

The separate sovereigns exception to double jeopardy is tied-up in federalism. It seems amazing to me that the GOP is abandoning the sovereignty of the states.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
5. Justice Ginsburg pushed for this case to be brought a year ago.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:33 PM
Sep 2018

Last edited Wed Sep 26, 2018, 10:41 AM - Edit history (1)

This case was brought to the Court and accepted in significant part because of an opinion authored by Justice Ginsburg (and joined by Justice Thomas) suggesting that the time had come to revisit the dual sovereignty exception to the double jeopardy rule. To quote from the opinion written by Justice Ginsburg:

"The double jeopardy proscription is intended to shield individuals from the harassment of multiple prosecutions for the same misconduct. Green v. United States, 355 U. S. 184, 187 (1957). Current “separate sovereigns” doctrine hardly serves that objective. States and Nation are “kindred systems,” yet “parts of ONE WHOLE.” The Federalist No. 82, p. 245 (J. Hopkins ed., 2d ed. 1802) (reprint 2008). Within that whole is it not “an affront to human dignity,” Abbate v. United States, 359 U. S. 187, 203 (1959) (Black, J., dissenting), “inconsistent with the spirit of [our] Bill of Rights,” Developments in the Law— Criminal Conspiracy, 72 Harv. L. Rev. 920, 968 (1959), to try or punish a person twice for the same offense?"

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