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He wants to talk to the FBI about Kavanaugh's drinking at Yale.
His name is Chad Ludington. The NYT article is behind a paywall, so I'm linking to this tweet, which has an excerpt.
Link to tweet
I think I'll stop by the library tomorrow morning to read the full article.
All these people coming forward to say he lied. So much for all of his character witnesses. By the end of the week, the GOP will look incredibly foolish at this pace.
pwb
(11,280 posts).
And his behavior is symptomatic of a patient with difficulty controlling impulses and performing complex, reasoned judgement.
Activities that are processed within an area of the brain frequently and permanently destroyed by binge drinking and chronic alcohol consumption.
Sadly, Party Animal Kavanaugh may have destroyed the physical part of his brain needed to perform the job of a judge. There are consequences to heavy drinking, especially at a young age. Kavanaugh will forever be the poster boy in my mind about future dreams short-circuited by youthful overindulgence.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Classic alcoholic response to deflect, accuse others, then apologize for their lack of impulse control. This petulant frat boy has no place on the highest court in the land.
Poiuyt
(18,129 posts)calimary
(81,351 posts)He was like the fire hydrant thats struck by a speeding, out-of-control car and the result is an exploding geyser that shoots water out at high pressure 20 feet high and all over everywhere.
Judicial temperament my ass. He showed the exact opposite! One hundred and 80 degrees opposite. Polar opposite.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)If his nomination is blocked, the Republicans with nominate another candidate pledged to do the same thing. They will be more cautions, but with the same basic intent. It is a fact that the future of the Republican Party rests on satisfying the ultra-conservative faction. Without the ultra-conservative religious ideologues and the Second Amendment radicals support they will relegated to becoming a minor party and quickly headed to the dust bin of history. Their constituency primarily consists of the ultra-wealthy, evangelicals, racists and second amendment radicals gun owners. These groups are vulnerable to enlightenment and progress philosophies and will eventually and inadvertently be drowned out of existence by the steady advancement of progressive concepts. They will be come just as discredited as the royalty's right of birth to rule and repressive religions mind control.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)"Vulnerable to enlightenment" ....they must be.... vampires!??!!!!
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)a judicial nominee for the SCOTUS. He is a blatant liar and does not have the ability to be impartial or nonpartisan.
BigmanPigman
(51,613 posts)who has an anger management problem. Definitely NOT SCOTUS material.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 30, 2018, 07:56 PM - Edit history (1)
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)See pwb comment...it's the reddish cheeks and chin...classic signals of alcoholism. It does go away, but takes a long time of sobriety. And if so, a closet alcoholic under stress, is a disaster. That's the outbursts of anger and vitriol.
womanofthehills
(8,723 posts)I bet he is still drinking. Latest Yale classmate to comment on his drinking said it was not just beer.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)Kavanaugh's theme song.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)The song was ringing a bell, but I could never quite place where it originated...
Naturally, they alter the lyrics so there's no suggestion that alcohol has any mind-altering capabilities!
calimary
(81,351 posts)Meadowoak
(5,552 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Bad Thoughts
(2,524 posts)He's not a friend, but I worked at the university. He's kind of a jerk.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They don't have a real view of the world. They've lived in a bubble all their lives. I thought it was telling that Dr. Ford had mentioned a couple of times in her past that Kavanaugh might become a judge (which he did) and might get on the Supreme Court. I gather that's because all that elite class is on a privileged trajectory. They KNOW from the outset that they must do this, then that, then they become something "special," like the others in their privileged class.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)they arent all jerks. Some of them are funny, smart, extremely well-educated people who are great to talk and hang out with. And, some are complete jerks. Much like a certain percentage of the members of every other class in the country.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)From reading his account, looks like he realized he was headed in the wrong direction and tried to tone it down.
Bad Thoughts
(2,524 posts)I should say he is arrogant. I would not though call him entitled or mean.
calimary
(81,351 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)because odds are that Kavanaugh will be confirmed. So we'll have not just a sexual assaulter on the highest court in the land, but someone who lies with ease, in addition to his being a political operative and conspiracy theorist.
I think this man for coming forward, though. It's not a hatchet job. It's a balanced telling of the truth and opinion.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)That likely will push Murkowski and Collins to no and maybe even Flake to no. Flake still gets to vote on the next rightwing dream once Kavanaugh is pulled and someone else is trotted out.
Dems should demand that all documentation on the new person be made available for them to review before hearings start, they can use the rush to get Kavanaugh confirmed as justification for their demand.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They are not doing investigations. And there is so much material out there. And NOW there is a bad thing that happened...someone called Sen. Whitehouse's office (a man) and made claim that he stopped Kavanaugh from assaulting a woman. Turned out not to be true, so the Judiciary Committee is referring that to the DOJ for a CRIMINAL investigation. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that man is a rightwing zealot.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Everytime I think of the "no difference between parties" or "vote my conscience" mouth pieces and asshole voters, I want to scream. What in the hell is wrong with those people, can't they tell evil when they see it?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)So any lying about that won't be, either. I think it's strictly about the allegations by Ford and one other accuser.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)So, that to me, would say his drinking and behavior changes when he drank are relevant to Dr. Ford's assault allegation. The issue that I have is potential gang rapes that he either help set up (spiking drinks) or participated in won't be covered, BUT, the press will dig into that if only to produce accounts that sell newsprint. The question for Collins, Murkowski and Flake will be given that he lied about drunkenness, are they willing to put him on the Court and have future evidence that he is a rapist (at least when drunk) come out?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's limited to the accusations of just Ford & one other (not the Swetnik gang rape one).
His drinking re Ford would involve just his drinking that day. Not a history of getting drunk & blacking out, etc. She didn't testify to that. She didn't know him very well.
WE will hear about these things, and the press will report things. But I'd doubt the Senators are reading much about that...there's SO MUCH info that they have to take in already. News articles are not some of the info they are supposed to rely on.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The question for republicans become, do they want to put a man on the Court who one day will be shown to be a rapist and potentially serial rapist?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Dr. Ford's allegations are about assault, not rape. Isn't the other one, too?
The only allegations considered at the hearing were Ford's.
The Senate is not supposed to, and won't, consider any allegations that haven't been testified to or investigated.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Yeah. Really impartial judge
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)be able to use a 'private browsing' or 'private tab' feature of your browser to open and read the whole article. I like the privacy aspect so use it quite often now to follow links.
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pioche4
(114 posts)Was unaware of this rule. I have self deleted it the article.
Samspadesnark
(75 posts)that if the FBI does a proper and thorough investigation, it will by definition take longer than a week especially if they investigate his kinky finances, financial backers (it is illegal for a 501 (c)(3) organization to lobby to promote anyone to the judiciary, something that happened with both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, to the collective tune of around $61 million), and each lie made under oath. IF the investigation proceeds at the FBI's pace, and not at the pace dictated by Sarah Sanders, then I predict the GOP senate will ram him through before the FBI has completed its investigation; they clearly looked desperate to confirm him for what can only be highly suspicious reasons. At that point, any FBI investigation would have to uncover something seriously criminal to get him off the bench because an impeachment would never occur, no matter what the FBI found.
That said, Kavanaugh should expect a steady stream of public truth tellers from now on out, for people to whisper behind his back when he is seen in public places, to wonder from now on out which friends are real and which are not, and for every single one of his rulings to be highly questioned. Now that the real Kavanaugh has been exposed, the hollow poseur Kavanaugh will never attain the honor and public esteem he so desperately craves. If his wife ever leaves him, he might literally deconstruct.
Question to those who know how the FBI works in this type of situation: IF the investigation does take longer and the FBI digs up some serious 'worms', can it then issue a determination that Kavanaugh had failed his background check, even if it did not find indictable information? Because by law, it seems that he has to pass a background check for this position as he did for the previous position, no? Is the FBI holding some cards here that we do not know about or have not considered?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Collins, Murkowski and Flake can still vote to confirm him, but history will not be kind to them.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The directive I read on CNN is to include only the accusations of Ford and one other (not Swetnik, the gang rape accuser). Interview witnesses & basic stuff.
It's VERY limited and seems to me just for the purpose of slapping of "FBI investigation" on it, for show.
pioche4
(114 posts)I wish that FBI would divulge what exactly they have already looked at in the previous background checks. My nephew had to go through a background check and emailed this to me recently as it talked about what exactly they do look at, and what can be disqualifying.
The biggest message that I tell anybody thats applying for the FBI or any other federal government agency is to be truthful. The issue, the concern, that can eliminate anyones employment or opportunities for employment is candor. If we find that that information you have provided to us is inaccurate, false, misleading, then at that point we can discontinue an applicant for lack of candor. If an individual has applied for the FBI and is deemed to show lack of candor in any issue during the process, that will eliminate that person from ever applying with the FBI ever again. There are issues; there are certain standards; there may be things in your background that you dont want us to find out. I assure you we have some of the best investigators; we have, the, I believe, the best adjudicators; we are going to go ahead and try to find out everything about this person so that we bring in the best and the brightest and most suitable to be employees of the FBI.
https://www.fbi.gov/audio-repository/news-podcasts-inside-background-checks-for-new-applicants.mp3/view
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)does not include Kavanaugh's lack of candor or possible lying. It's simply to check on the accusations, which I guess would involve witnesses for Kavanaugh, and anything Kavanaugh said (which was basically, "I didn't do it."
It's a very limited probe with a short time frame.
Prior statements to the FBI wouldn't come into it, unless they asked him if he got drunk in high school or sexually assaulted someone, and he said no, and they find evidence that that is a lie. Which would be almost impossible, I think.
triron
(22,008 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)iluvtennis
(19,864 posts)Ludington, an associate professor at North Carolina State University, provided a copy of the statement to The Post.
In it, Ludington says in one instance, Kavanaugh initiated a fight that led to the arrest of a mutual friend: When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive. On one of the last occasions I purposely socialized with Brett, I witnessed him respond to a semi-hostile remark, not by defusing the situation, but by throwing his beer in the mans face and starting a fight that ended with one of our mutual friends in jail.
Ludington says he was deeply troubled by Kavanaugh appearing to blatantly mischaracterize his drinking in Senate testimony.
Link to tweet
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pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)With that, it is within reason that if he had the hots for a female and she spurned him, he would get violent with her, including up to raping her.
blue-wave
(4,356 posts)the mounting testimonials against this guy, it will still be hard as heck to find enough republicon defections to our side, is testimony enough that every one of them on the ballot should go down in defeat this November. America, please!!!!
wcmagumba
(2,886 posts)paste it into a google search box. This will often let you read an article behind a paywall
when you just click an https:// type link. Doesn't always work but more often than not (at least
for me)....🧟
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)If you google the title of an article,
you can often find it elsewhere.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)drank beer, then "only" wine for the afternoon so she would be sober enough to go to a bar to drink mixed drinks.
She was always a happy drunk who expressed love for us kids.
Her own sons were messed up, but both stopped drinking and one is now a substance-abuse therapist.
Sad.
oasis
(49,394 posts)trueblue2007
(17,230 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)SuprstitionAintthWay
(386 posts)I sent the below to Greg Sargent at the Post, Gail Collins at the Times, Rachel's show, and CNN. Trump is playing word games and lying about the latitude the FBI has while he runs out the clock on his sham investigation. I wrote the below before his supposed relaxing of the restrictions Monday, but my opinion hasn't changed. I notice we still haven't seen either set of Trump's orders to the FBI. Until we do, assume Trump's lying and the background investigation is still on a severely tight leash. WaPo says the restrictions are slightly less than they were, but they don't know how or how much. And what they were was a farce: 4 people, 3 of whom were already on record as remembering nothing, and the 4th already on record as denying everything.
I'd rather this be a new thread but I just re-joined (after a decade) and can't make it a thread yet. If someone else will copy and paste it into its own thread, please do.
If McConnell holds a vote Friday, then 3 of the 6 days the FBI has are already gone. Witnesses against Kavanaugh need to force their statements into this outrageous "process." This is how.
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 6:32 PM
To: rachel@msnbc.com
Subject: Fw: Publicize a way to get Kav reports into FBI records anyway
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 6:01 PM
To: sargentg@washpost.com
Subject: Publicize a way to get Kav reports into FBI records anyway
Hi Greg:
I think this workaround will work; check with your Bureau sources about whether it will.
Do your best to get the word out, FAST, that if you have relevant info on Kavanaugh or Mark Judge, to not call the FBI and wait for a call back, because that's probably been specifically prohibited by McCabe and Trump until the 7 days are up.
Tell people to instead PHYSICALLY GO TO AN FBI OFFICE, tell them you're there to REPORT A FEDERAL CRIME, and then sit in their damn lobby and refuse to leave until a SPECIAL AGENT TAKES YOUR REPORT.
INSIST you want to report the crime RIGHT THERE AND THEN, and don't let them put you off. Because they probably will if you let them, Christopher Wray is almost surely under presidential orders to essentially run out the clock on this background investigation (BI) extension.
Thursday Sep. 27, 2018 Brett Kavanaugh committed maybe 100 federal crimes. He lied under oath to Congress about that many times, and everybody witnessed it. Whichever lie he told that a person has specific knowledge is false, is the federal crime to report there in the FBI field office.
And again, you must INSIST on reporting what you know to be a federal crime, based on whatever information you have that is contrary to his lie. Be prepared for the field office agents to try to not take the report, by saying it falls under a BI that a special team of agents is doing and you'd need to report it directly to them. Well, that special BI team of agents are not going to talk to you until after Friday, if then.
So INSIST. There has been a federal crime committed, and you insist on reporting what you know about it, right then and there.
Stay until you do.
Ask for a photocopy of the statement you sign.
Take the special agent's name. I believe they're required to submit it within 24 hours of receiving the report. Ask to be emailed and mailed a copy of it.
When you leave, immediately send all of the particulars to the Democratic senator of your choice. And to the Washington Post, New York Times, New Yorker, CNN, MSNBC, Guardian, and whatever other media of your choice. Probably the FBI will instruct you not to disclose your report to anybody... "ongoing investigation" and all that. I'd do it anyway and take my chances, because to not will probably be to have accomplished nothing.
If everyone who knows factually about a Kavanaugh lie to Congress does this immediately, we can at least get the reports physically into the FBI somewhere. And Democratic senators, the principled media, and the American public hopefully can successfully demand that the reports be taken into account before a final vote to confirm Kavanaugh.
I hope this works. We are in a fast-moving constitutional crisis created by a dishonest authoritarian president and his Republican senator co-conspirators. The White House is in the position to make Christopher Wray run out the clock while avoiding any new negative information about Kavanaugh in a sham of a BI. And we need to do everything can to counter this, right NOW.
Thank you.