It happened 17 years ago; he's established his liberal bona-fides since then.

And because of what he showed about his character. He didn't fight for her -- he was genial Joe, honoring his promise to the Republicans and not allowing her corroborating witnesses to take up their precious time.

How many women voted against him when he ran for VP in 2008 and 2012?

Millions of women old enough to have lived through the Anita Hill hearings won't.

Hillary Clinton was attacked with 30 years of lies by some that insist that they are the most progressive. So no, people are going to attack Joe with whatever political weapon they think enhances their preferred candidate's chances. I just hope the level of virulence is not as bad as 2016.

"Bona-fide liberals" can be bona-fide sexist pigs as well.

let's move on,time for new blood and btw,the Ladies will not forgive.

I believe it was heartfelt. We will not have a perfect candidate with a perfect past or record. When you know better you should do better and I think Biden has done that. This should not hold him back, imo.

He said he regrets that he couldn't do more, suggesting he did all he could do but his hands were tied.

That's not an apology or anything close to it. It's a copout.

Joe Biden apologizes again about Anita Hill during the Kavanaugh firestorm
The former vice president says he’s sorry he didn’t stop the attacks on Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/21/17886484/joe-biden-anita-hill-brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford

that I'd recalled that he had apologized. You're exactly correct, Effie, he did not apologize publicly as I had thought. He's said he owed Anita Hill an apology. I'm glad I went back to read the article: http://time.com/5064108/joe-biden-anita-hill-apology/

When we know better, we should do better. I stand corrected.

It happens to all of us ...

JMHO.

But, it is going to be weaponized, including from some on our own side-- the precedence is there with Al Franken. Meanwhile the RW will effectively use our quest for "purity" and "zero tolerance" (laudable goal only for Democrats, it seems) against us, once again.

sigh...

And, kindly don't accuse me of dismissing the horror that was the Hill-Thomas hearings. I've NEVER forgotten and, in fact, had the opportunity to verbally tell off one key player--(Alan K. Simpson-R, WY) years later. Of course his arrogance remained intact, but he still looked stunned to be confronted.

Just that he was supposedly powerless to do more than he did.

Biden said no such thing and the article you linked to didn't say he did.

Here's what he said:

“'I’m sorry I couldn’t have stopped the kind of attacks that came to you,” Biden told NBC’s Today on Friday. “But I never attacked her, I supported her. I believed her from the beginning.'

“'Anita Hill was vilified when she came forward by a lot of my colleagues, character assassination. I wish I could’ve done more to prevent those questions, the way they asked them.'”

That's NOT an apology for "not stopping the attacks." It's an attempt to excuse his failure to protect her by claiming he was POWRRLESS to do so - exactly what he said months ago when he insisted he did everything he could and lacked the power to do any more.

And the article also points out that, while he said he owed her an apology for not being able to do more, he never actually apologized to Prof. Hill.

"Biden actually said in December that he owed Hill an apology. He still hadn’t called her to make one a month later, but continued to say he should have done a better job of protecting her from the partisan smear campaign she faced for accusing Thomas.:

You may not be able to to take "I OWE ANITA HILL AN APOLOGY" as an apology, but most of us are gracious enough to credit the attempt, even if we wish him to say more. Even Dr. Hill, (while also believing he should have gone further and had more to learn from his own actions), accepted his attempt at an apology.


Your insinuation that I was not truthful after my quoting the article title and link in full is not truthful. In doing so, YOU owe ME an apology!

Hill replied, “It’s funny you said ‘sort of’ apologized. He said, ‘I owe her an apology.’ People were asking, ‘When are you going to apologize to her?’ It’s become sort of a running joke in the household when someone rings the doorbell and we’re not expecting company. ‘Oh,’ we say, ‘is that Joe Biden coming to apologize?’”

(If he's the candidate I'll vote for him. But I would really like a non baby boomer in 2020)

I'm not sure I want him to run--for other reasons, but when someone tries to make amends and show from their example that they are supportive of women (as Biden has done in spades) I will NOT belittle him for the attempt.

He said it was the Republicans' fault, and he was powerless to stop them, and that he owed Anita Hill an apology - not because he DIDN'T do more but because he COULDN'T do more - and he has yet to actually communicate directly with her.

That's neither in an apology nor even close to making amends.

so, I find it fruitless to continue this further. This is especially true, given YOU did not apologize for insinuating I misrepresented (or even lied re: ) the article posted earlier, despite having quoted the title verbatum.

But doing the right thing on women's issues in the Senate does NOT make amends for the mess he made of the Thomas-Hill hearings.

Funny, though, how we've gone from "He apologized!" (which he didn't) to "He's made amends!" (which he hasn't) to "He's get generally been good on women's issues" (which is what he's SUPPOSED to be).

Working towards women's rights is a means for him to make amends for his failures toward Dr. Hill and his responsibility to take sexual assault serious.

That you can not see that is very discouraging, but so be it.

He doesn't think - or at least, won't admit - he did anything wrong.

Making anends requires that one first admit they made a mistake or did some harm. His only regret is that he did everything he possibly could but it wasn't enough. Unless and until he admits that HE could have done more or done things differently but didn't, he gets no pass on this from me. And I'm not alone.

That said, the article did indeed said what you said it did. I apologize for suggesting you mischaractetized it.

I am not going to be goaded into being other than polite, so count yourself done with me and this discussion. I do not waste time on those who argue merely for the sake of arguing, especially since I consider you to have made a false statement re: to me earlier without correction or apology.

which he claims he was powerless to Dom

But never owned up to HIS role in it.

And he still hasn't apologized to her.

….im still voting for him.

are disregarded or not talked about but they are evident to many anyway. I’ll trust Obama on his selection of Biden as VP.

It is something he needs to be cognizant of though.

Perception is reality.

But to post this right-wing shit here is a disgrace.

with his deportment. When I meet a man, I don't want his hands on me, even if he's Joe Biden.

including the one you posted.

I don't think there's anything nefarious about his behavior -- but it does make some women and girls uncomfortable. And I don't think he's the best choice in the primary.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joe-biden-2020-harvey-weinstein_us_5a0a0ba8e4b00a6eece3a13e

His behavior also had more patronizing undercurrents. A big part of his act was remarking on the attractiveness of women, young and old. He would comment on how pretty young women were and warn their fathers to keep the guys away.

Many people found this behavior charming. He wasn’t stiff like some politicians. He grabbed people’s hands, put his arm around them and even kissed people on the cheek.

But it’s clear some people were uncomfortable. The teenage daughter of Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.), for example, visibly cringed and pulled away when Biden whispered in her ear and kissed her on the head.

In 2015, when Biden put his arms on the wife of Defense Secretary Ash Carter at Carter’s swearing-in ceremony, people noticed how uncomfortable the moment looked.

SNIP

Okay, she had her hands clasped in a prayer fashion when he was on her show and didn’t utter the words that she was begging him. I can’t link on my phone. But she was favorable to him and the audience loved him.

Biden is plenty popular. I don’t think Obama got it wrong chosing him to serve as his VP.

Valid ones too. For me, it is primarily his age. And his drug warrior philosophy. When he tacked the RAVE ACT onto the Amber Alert bill, that was it for me.

But his age is huge (same with Bernie as well) Hell be 80(?) in 2020? Think a Millenial will vote for an 80 year old? NO.

She has lots of experience, too

Do I think she has no way of beating him thus wouldn't support him in the primaries? Sadly yes.

Seriously, all those jokes about Reagan/Dole/McCain being too old to be president are coming back to bite us in the ass with guys like Biden and Sanders still hanging around. Both of them need to give it the fuck up. Your time came and went. Accept it.

Time for new blood.

Also, we are becoming known as the old party. Time for new blood.

Biden has been on the wrong side of many issues. At best he is better than Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/31/us/politics/banking-ties-could-hurt-joe-biden-in-race-with-populist-overtone.html

In the late 1990s, amid an increase in bankruptcy filings, the financial services industry began pushing for rules that would make it more difficult for consumers to seek bankruptcy protection. Among those courted by the industry was Mr. Biden, who represented the home state of a number of vested companies, including, at the time, the credit-card issuer MBNA Corporation. (Bank of America bought MBNA in 2006.) MBNA executives and employees contributed roughly $200,000 to Mr. Biden’s campaigns from 1989 to 2010, making the company his largest corporate donor during that time, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics.

The 2020 election is FAR too important for that. We need somebody fresh with a minimum of skeletons in their closet.

44 is plenty.

There are just too many clips of him being handsy during photo ops and whatnot. He's a scandal waiting to happen on that front.

He sold out American women. They may have forgiven, however, they have not forgotten.

for the Boomer™ generation.

PS. I'm 71

His time has passed him by and I would hope for some new, young blood to come forward in the Democratic Party.
Besides, there would be those on the far Left who would have a snit because Biden would not be liberal enough to suit them and that's a great way to get Trump reelected while they teach us another lesson about not choosing their candidate.

the American electorate seems to prefer an actual predator.

If his name was Kamala Harris, was a woman and currently a Senator.

For this reason AND it’s time for new, younger faces!

If he had ran in 2016, he would have likely lost the primary (he would have won the general, popular and electoral vote-wise).