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FLAKE is *way* down the road: If he votes Yes in the end, he'll need to go into exile somewhere. (Original Post) UTUSN Oct 2018 OP
Ramirez texts prove he knew about it, that seals it grantcart Oct 2018 #1
Might have to relocate to Kyrgyzstan and rename himself to Vladmir Shitikov. idcdu Oct 2018 #2
If he wants a shot at a further political office, he will have to vote "no". roamer65 Oct 2018 #3
Flake has further political ambitions... Raster Oct 2018 #11
Trump is very popular among the Republican base so Flake or anyone else running as a Republican JI7 Oct 2018 #12
Generally agree... however, because of tRump*, the actual Republican party membership is decreasing. Raster Oct 2018 #16
I don't know why he doesn't just declare as an independent and caucus with Dems OhioBlue Oct 2018 #4
Probably only because the Republicans would still keep the majority. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #10
because he is a conservative . he doesn't like the vileness of Trump JI7 Oct 2018 #13
they will, like always, count the votes and let him or Collins or both vote againt, but wiggs Oct 2018 #5
He's from AZ. He's going to vote for Kav and not be worried. bitterross Oct 2018 #6
Flake wants to run for Prez or something. GOP base will NEVER accept him. He might as well Demovictory9 Oct 2018 #7
He is not a Democrat oberliner Oct 2018 #14
Not if the FBI investigation remains narrow, and comes back as inconclusive. unitedwethrive Oct 2018 #8
I agree duforsure Oct 2018 #9
A man without a Party... kentuck Oct 2018 #15

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
1. Ramirez texts prove he knew about it, that seals it
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 10:47 PM
Oct 2018

Now Lake wants more to come out so that they pull it

 

idcdu

(170 posts)
2. Might have to relocate to Kyrgyzstan and rename himself to Vladmir Shitikov.
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 10:51 PM
Oct 2018

If he votes yes.

Heads will be rolling, and shit rolls downstream.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
3. If he wants a shot at a further political office, he will have to vote "no".
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 11:04 PM
Oct 2018

If he does otherwise, his political career is OVER.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
11. Flake has further political ambitions...
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 06:31 AM
Oct 2018

...he'll try and purge the tRump* stink off himself and possibly make a 2020 play, attempting to remake himself as a return to Republican norms pre-tRump*. He'll vote no. At least I hope he does.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
12. Trump is very popular among the Republican base so Flake or anyone else running as a Republican
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 07:01 AM
Oct 2018

who has been critical even if they have a right wing record themselves has little chance of making it.

Flake's best chance for a future political career is probably becoming an independent .

Raster

(20,998 posts)
16. Generally agree... however, because of tRump*, the actual Republican party membership is decreasing.
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:33 AM
Oct 2018

There is a large contingent of never-tRumpers*, former tRumpers*, and "voted for him because it seemed like a good idea at the time" Independenty/GOPy voters that no longer feel part of the Republican party. I think Flake wants to appeal to those voters. tRump*s hardcore, solid base will never deviate from tRump*. He hates the same people they do.

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
4. I don't know why he doesn't just declare as an independent and caucus with Dems
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 11:12 PM
Oct 2018

He should have done it months ago.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
10. Probably only because the Republicans would still keep the majority.
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 12:16 AM
Oct 2018

If he defected with somebody, however, that would be different.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
13. because he is a conservative . he doesn't like the vileness of Trump
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 07:04 AM
Oct 2018

but he supports the usual republican agenda of tax cuts and all the other shit.

wiggs

(7,817 posts)
5. they will, like always, count the votes and let him or Collins or both vote againt, but
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 11:12 PM
Oct 2018

only if the votes work out for confirmation.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
6. He's from AZ. He's going to vote for Kav and not be worried.
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 11:48 PM
Oct 2018

He has to vote for Kavanagh to keep in the good graces of all the people he needs lobbying contracts and speaking engagements from. He won't spend a ton of time in AZ worried about the people who will be angry.

Trump will do something egregious and change the headlines soon after the confirmation and he'll be off the hook.

Sorry to be such a downer but that's reality.

Demovictory9

(32,472 posts)
7. Flake wants to run for Prez or something. GOP base will NEVER accept him. He might as well
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 11:54 PM
Oct 2018

become a Dem in his last few months in office.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
8. Not if the FBI investigation remains narrow, and comes back as inconclusive.
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 11:55 PM
Oct 2018

Which is what I, unfortunately, am predicting.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
9. I agree
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 12:03 AM
Oct 2018

A lot of them are in that same position , if they vote for him their future is over in politics, especially n close races. They would be stupid to even hold a vote if they don't have the votes, and it'll expose them even more.

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