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Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 01:33 AM Oct 2018

The October Surprise

I believe the Repubs do not have the votes to confirm Kavenaugh. Considering Graham's comments that Trump should renominate Kavenaugh if they lose the Senate vote and take it to the people and Trump's attacks on the victims tonight at his rally, it is my conclusion that they will try to use the failure to confirm Kavanaugh as the October Surprise. Then they will announce that the midterm elections are a referendum on getting Kavanaugh (and conservative judges) appointed in order to electrify their base, particularly males, who Trump also played to today by saying it was a dangerous time to be a man. I think they believe it may be a way to save the Senate for them since there are so many Democrats running in Trump states.

That's fine with me because there are more of us than there are of them. Normally I would worry that our majority will not vote, but not this time.

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Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
1. Remember: Don't watch for the Blue Wave. BE the Blue Wave!
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 01:39 AM
Oct 2018

Just a friendly public service announcement.



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Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
2. We should all discuss and organize as GOTV volunteers
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 01:42 AM
Oct 2018

Call your local Dem Party headquarters and volunteer to make GOTV phone calls, door knocking, literature distributions, driving people to the polls, etc. I have done it many times and it makes a difference.

wiggs

(7,817 posts)
3. I believe they will have several October surprises. That may be one. Announcements of
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 01:53 AM
Oct 2018

investigation of Feinstein, probably a skirmish somewhere, probably an announcement of another meeting with Kim, probably some more fake economy claims, probably more punching down at women/immigrants/people of color/LGBTQ, maybe some fabricated Clinton scandal news, maybe a fake planted accuser or two, maybe more fake suspicious substance claims....

...there is no low bar for them, therefore they have unlimited possibilities.

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
4. Kavanaugh is poison. The GOP will dump him
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 01:59 AM
Oct 2018

and distance themselves from him. No way they will cast the midterms as a referendum on Kavanaugh. ‘This is a disaster for the Republicans’ Chris Wallace

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
5. I saw that argued on Predicit today
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 02:00 AM
Oct 2018

Someone from Tennessee posted that Bredesen will win the senate race unless Kavanaugh is not confirmed. He wrote matter of factly that Tennesseans are co concerned about a conservative senate that people who plan to vote for Bredesen now would switch to Blackburn.

I have to say it is not out of the question

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
8. Right, with another month even more will come out on him
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 02:06 AM
Oct 2018

Especially with president shit for brains stirring the pot.

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
10. Exactly. 'I've got some juicy new dirt on Kavsnaugh'
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 02:16 AM
Oct 2018

and you can take your pick of TV shows. Trump knows more than most how this works. They’ll dump him.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
11. Kavanaugh would be out of the picture
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 03:06 AM
Oct 2018

Maybe I didn't read the OP fully, or make the point from Predictit properly.

Kavanaugh would no longer be involved. The argument on Predicit was that Kavanaugh is pulled or defeated, and then Trump campaigns until November with emphasis to his base that unless you vote for Republicans then they'll lose the senate and not be able to dictate the next justice, or lower court justices.

They won't take that risk but it is seemingly more effective than any other argument on that side, to motivate the base

wiggs

(7,817 posts)
6. They will use the full weight of the WH and govt to protect themselves. Lots of opportunity...
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 02:03 AM
Oct 2018

wouldn't be surprised if they hired Rove and exhumed Lee Atwater to help forge, smear, lie, foment hate, encourage polarization, come up with new groups to demonize, and shock doctrine their way past the midterms.

We think we've seen horrifying things...and we have. But they are just getting started. Wait till the firings, pardons, fake investigations of dems, payoffs, fake wars, fake economy reports, subpoena refusals, vote fraud, and voter suppression gears get going. They wanted Kavanaugh for those things but they will proceed without him if need be. They have Ryan, Nunes, McConnell, Graham, Grassley, and Fox. Might be enough.

This is it. The fork in the road.

Going to volunteer for Harley tomorrow.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
9. I think they will just let it linger until after Nov 6, then attempt a recess appointment...
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 02:09 AM
Oct 2018

if they do not have the votes.

The Turtle will not bring it to the floor if they don’t have the votes, but they are not gonna Dump Rapey Bart.

JudyM

(29,277 posts)
13. This!
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 07:16 PM
Oct 2018

If it’s possible.
They are deep in the system. Not sure how much hope there is of our saving it but this election is the best shot we may ever have again.

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