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Now that we have pulled out of the international Criminal Court, did Trump have any (Original Post) Atticus Oct 2018 OP
America has never been a party to the International Criminal Court tritsofme Oct 2018 #1
+ struggle4progress Oct 2018 #2
Correct malaise Oct 2018 #3
Facts are rather awkward sometimes mythology Oct 2018 #4
Facts are facts. They are only awkward if we refuse to admit when we get them wrong Atticus Oct 2018 #5

tritsofme

(17,399 posts)
1. America has never been a party to the International Criminal Court
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 01:50 PM
Oct 2018

Bill Clinton signed the Rome Treaty near the end of his term, but never submitted it to the Senate. Bush subsequently removed our signature, and took a host of actions to undermine the court, including holding hostage foreign aid to poor countries unless they agreed not to cooperate with the court.

Obama was not as directly hostile, but was still limited by laws from that era that prohibit most cooperation. Now that Bolton is back in power, he’s continued his vendetta against the ICC right where he left off.

The court claims jurisdiction over all crimes occurring in member states since their accession to the Rome Statute. A non-party state such as the US is vulnerable to prosecution for crimes that occur in a party state, such as Afghanistan, the court is in fact mulling such an investigation today.

But I don’t think there has been any major change in posture recently in terms of how we interact with the ICC? I would assume each of the past three presidents has some degree of legal vulnerability to the court, I don’t think Trump would have any unique exposure.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
5. Facts are facts. They are only awkward if we refuse to admit when we get them wrong
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 02:53 PM
Oct 2018

as I did in the OP. Bolton threatened the ICC but did not say we were withdrawing from it. I "assumed" and we know how that can go.

My bad.

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