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NRaleighLiberal

(60,021 posts)
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 08:51 PM Oct 2018

Charles Blow - NYT - "Liberals, This Is War"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/opinion/brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court.html

What’s at stake is much more than a single Supreme Court seat.

(got carried away - thanks, EarlG for asking me to do the snipping to make it OK with copyright. Read it all, folks - and sorry about the firewall!)

Charles M. Blow
By Charles M. Blow
Opinion Columnist

Oct. 7, 2018

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Then, step back, view the entirety of the battle in which you are engaged, and understand that Kavanaugh is just one part of a much larger plan by conservatives to fundamentally change the American political structure so that it enshrines and protects white male power even after America’s changing demographics and mores move away from that power.


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But, when I think of originalism, I think this: Many of the founders owned slaves; in the Constitution they viewed black people as less than fully human; they didn’t want women or poor white men to vote. The founders, a bunch of rich, powerful white men, didn’t want true democracy in this country, and in fact were dreadfully afraid of it.

Now, a bunch of rich, powerful white men want to return us to this sensibility, wrapped in a populist “follow the Constitution” rallying cry and disguised as the ultimate form of patriotism.



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As The Washington Post pointed out in 2016, “In the Electoral College, each individual Wyoming vote weighs 3.6 times more than an individual Californian’s vote.” The Post continued, “That’s the most extreme example, but if you average the 10 most populous states and compare the power of their residents’ votes to those of the 10 least populous states, you get a ratio of 1 to 2.5.”

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Folks, Kavanaugh is only one soldier, albeit an important one, in a larger battle. Stop thinking you’re in a skirmish, when you’re at war.
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Charles Blow - NYT - "Liberals, This Is War" (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Oct 2018 OP
He's right. vi5 Oct 2018 #1
Ok, which is which in your opinion? nt babylonsister Oct 2018 #4
Really? You need to ask that? vi5 Oct 2018 #40
Yes, I did, because I've babylonsister Oct 2018 #49
The world is at war with fascism. Look at Brazil tonight. IluvPitties Oct 2018 #2
Poland, Hungary, Latvia.. Authoritarianism is running amok. pangaia Oct 2018 #8
Russia needs to be stopped at all costs ProudLib72 Oct 2018 #18
Dugin, Surkov, Gerasimov et al didn't simply vanish after the presidential election. The_jackalope Oct 2018 #19
Putin is a James Bond villain. Initech Oct 2018 #35
The Far Right Aims to Take Control of the European Union Next Year,' New York Mag. Aug. 3, 18. appalachiablue Oct 2018 #23
I saw this coming a couple years ago, but of course didn't want to really believe it.. pangaia Oct 2018 #28
Too bad he didn't die from that stabbing. roamer65 Oct 2018 #21
i just heard trump on tv barbtries Oct 2018 #3
It's way beyond sickening, barbtires.. I don't Cha Oct 2018 #5
don't worry, I can't stomach it. barbtries Oct 2018 #7
Ah ha! Yeah, that's me too.. I shut down all Cha Oct 2018 #9
Control of the media along with control of the judiciary... pangaia Oct 2018 #10
The GOP are playing a much more serious game than politics. lancelyons Oct 2018 #25
Right. They don't seem to see the attack fleet for the fog. pangaia Oct 2018 #29
I feel like most people here are tuned in BadgerMom Oct 2018 #6
The majority of the voters don't know shit, to one degree or another. pangaia Oct 2018 #11
I'm sure there are millions who don't even know there's an election next month. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #46
No joke. pangaia Oct 2018 #47
Yes it is. And our most powerful weapon is VOTING. SunSeeker Oct 2018 #12
What was the original intent of 2 Senators per state? MadDAsHell Oct 2018 #13
The House was to be based on population and the Senate was to mtngirl47 Oct 2018 #22
And now Senators are elected by the people and, in theory, represent the people just like Reps. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #48
For movement conservatives, politics is a war by other means. betsuni Oct 2018 #14
Originalism and textualism both intend... dchill Oct 2018 #15
White *heterosexual* male authority. nt TwistOneUp Oct 2018 #42
Scary. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #16
Same Reason I Reject Originalism DallasNE Oct 2018 #17
Its been war for 25 years and more. BlueTsunami2018 Oct 2018 #20
More like 40+ years pangaia Oct 2018 #30
Agreed. BlueTsunami2018 Oct 2018 #31
That's my problem too: WTF is wrong that we didn't/couldn't/wouldn't see this coming? shanny Oct 2018 #44
Careful Mr Blow, you might be labeled a defeatist lancelyons Oct 2018 #24
Machiavelli said it best. sandensea Oct 2018 #26
About Time... LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #27
Malcolm Nance ... LenaBaby61 Oct 2018 #32
Malcom Nance. My man! nt TwistOneUp Oct 2018 #43
Charles Blow gets it librechik Oct 2018 #33
Yes. I get that now. lunatica Oct 2018 #34
K&R&Bookmarking Control-Z Oct 2018 #36
A Mock Constitutional Convention has already happened...Sept 2016, see links and related articles pioche4 Oct 2018 #37
The (planetary) oligarchs are making their move. debsy Oct 2018 #38
Gideon awaits... FirstLight Oct 2018 #39
We Are Up Against It colsohlibgal Oct 2018 #41
The tens of millions of Republicans and Trump supporters are going nowhere. elocs Oct 2018 #45
 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
1. He's right.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 08:55 PM
Oct 2018

But only one side knows that it is a war. The other side thinks its a quaint game of cribbage among old friends.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
40. Really? You need to ask that?
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 05:02 PM
Oct 2018

They are fighting a war. We are still acting like we are still having a friendly game of cards over tea.

And by "They" and "We" I mean their elected politicians and ours. I think most of our voters know this is war.

babylonsister

(171,092 posts)
49. Yes, I did, because I've
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 08:50 PM
Oct 2018

been real proud of the Democrats recently and thought they fought like hell.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
8. Poland, Hungary, Latvia.. Authoritarianism is running amok.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:37 PM
Oct 2018

Russians are sure winning this.. They are very close to destroying the EU and Western Europe. and The US of A.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
18. Russia needs to be stopped at all costs
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:21 PM
Oct 2018

Putin is killing people left and right all over the world. And our government is complicit. What are we supposed to do? This is not the plot line of Red Dawn. This is something way more terrible, something no screenwriter could have imagined.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
19. Dugin, Surkov, Gerasimov et al didn't simply vanish after the presidential election.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:32 PM
Oct 2018

The US just suddenly got a problem closer to home and stopped paying attention. Their plans to reorganize the global geopolitical landscape are still in play.

appalachiablue

(41,172 posts)
23. The Far Right Aims to Take Control of the European Union Next Year,' New York Mag. Aug. 3, 18.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:01 PM
Oct 2018

"The Far Right Aims to Take Control of the European Union Next Year," Jonah Shepp, New York Magazine, Aug. 3, '18. Excerpts:
The past year has been a historically bad one for liberal democracy in Europe. Right-wing nationalist and anti-immigrant political leaders and parties took power, consolidated power, or made major gains in elections across the continent, particularly in central Europe: Austria, Germany, Italy, the Czech Republic, and Hungary.

The governing bodies of the European Union have been a perennial punching bag for the European right, which has accused them of undemocratically foisting liberal values and open borders on member states without their people’s consent. Some nationalists, like the U.K.’s Brexiteers (and Donald Trump), see the solution in shrinking or dismantling the union. Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, an anti-Muslim Eurosceptic nationalist and currently the closest thing to a dictator in the E.U., has a better idea: Take it over, and destroy the liberal order from within.

In his annual speech to a community of ethnic Hungarians in neighboring Romania last week, Orban, who has presided over the almost complete erosion of democratic institutions in Hungary, declared that next year’s elections to the European Parliament would be the moment the right-wing nationalist wave achieved its real victory over the liberal elites who are out to “transform Europe, to ship it into a post-Christian era, and into an era when nations disappear.”
>“We are facing a big moment: We are saying goodbye not simply to liberal democracy but to the 1968 elite,” in an allusion to the year a wave of left-liberal protest movements overturned conservative governments in a number of European countries..

Orban is sometimes described as a European Trump, though it’s really more accurate to call Trump an American Orban, as the Hungarian strongman has been around much longer than Trump the notional politician. Orban sailed into a third term after a commanding victory in April’s parliamentary elections — a win on which Trump congratulated Orban in June, to the dismay of anyone who still vainly hopes for the U.S. to stand up for freedom and democracy around the world.

In power since 2010, Orban refused to take part in the E.U.’s refugee resettlement program and closed his country’s borders in defiance of Brussels, building a fence along its borders with Serbia and Croatia in 2015.
> He has undermined the independence of his country’s judiciary and smashed its free press: This week, supporters of his took control of a prominent television news channel. More, http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/far-right-aims-take-over-european-union.html

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
28. I saw this coming a couple years ago, but of course didn't want to really believe it..
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:39 PM
Oct 2018

Especially didn't believe it woukd happen this fast.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
3. i just heard trump on tv
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:17 PM
Oct 2018

claim that democrats practice "mob rule" and are unfit to govern. to the ecstatic cheers of his brainless cult.

i'm about shaking i am so pissed.

this was on ABC, but my roku, so i don't know what show. but after trump they had mcconnell, and after mcconnell they had kellyanne conway. what the motherfuck is that all about?

Cha

(297,681 posts)
5. It's way beyond sickening, barbtires.. I don't
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:26 PM
Oct 2018

see how you can stomach to watch it. It's hard just to read.

I would think regarding what trump LIES about, though, that it will just inspire Dems to fight harder and GOTV!..

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
7. don't worry, I can't stomach it.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:34 PM
Oct 2018

i just had it on while i was working and the first 2 soundbites were fast, muted it on mcconnell after being enraged by trump, then saw that conway was gish galloping and switched the channel.

no, i cannot stand it. i haven't heard so much as a sound bite from Collins's BS apologia. I find out what was said from DU, twitter, and FB. And late night comedy. I do try to watch news but it rarely works out unless it's MSNBC; this was ABC.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
10. Control of the media along with control of the judiciary...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:41 PM
Oct 2018

They already have the executive and legislative..

Same thing is happening in Poland right now.. and elsewhere---- Hungary, Latvia..... Estonia? not sure yet....

God I saw this coming 2 years ago,,,,

If Democrats do NOT take over the House.. it is over....finished....
And even then.... it may be over...

And DON'T criticize me for 'being negative' or whatever.... This is reality..

But, I keep firing with what ammo I have......

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
29. Right. They don't seem to see the attack fleet for the fog.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:42 PM
Oct 2018

God, somebody tell "them." Although i have no idea what thet can do.

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
6. I feel like most people here are tuned in
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:34 PM
Oct 2018

and know this. I don't think it's generally understood by the majority of voters. My strong hope is that we Democrats elect leaders who will recognize the dire situation we face and lead with the intelligence, gamesmanship and passion to negotiate our eventual victory.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
11. The majority of the voters don't know shit, to one degree or another.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:42 PM
Oct 2018

And I only know what I know, which is less than some here know. And almost EVERYBODY here knows more than a HUGE majority of Americans.



 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
13. What was the original intent of 2 Senators per state?
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:55 PM
Oct 2018

And is that intent now irrelevant enough that we can convince 2/3 of states to undo it?

mtngirl47

(991 posts)
22. The House was to be based on population and the Senate was to
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:54 PM
Oct 2018

give each state equal representation. Senators were originally chosen by state legislatures. The term was set to 6 years to provide stability and keep Senators from influenced by populism. LOL!

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
48. And now Senators are elected by the people and, in theory, represent the people just like Reps.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 08:25 PM
Oct 2018

But the tyranny of the minority aspect remains. How convenient.

dchill

(38,538 posts)
15. Originalism and textualism both intend...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:00 PM
Oct 2018

White male superiority. All others are inferior in the eyes of the law.

This, of course, CAN NOT BE. Everyone must have the rights set forth in the Constitution, numerated and unnumerated. EQUALLY.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
17. Same Reason I Reject Originalism
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:21 PM
Oct 2018

The Senators were appointed by the power brokers of the day (in addition to slavery). The commerce clause is not an originalist idea and there are many more. Indeed, where does the Constitution say Judges are to use an originalist philosophy in there rulings. It doesn't but Conservatives conjered that up to hide that they were legislating from the bench.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,503 posts)
20. Its been war for 25 years and more.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:38 PM
Oct 2018

And we’re just figuring this out now?

We should have been going no holds barred, scorched earth, damn the claims of hypocrisy since the Clinton days. The Яepublicans have. And there hasn’t been anything close to an equal response. 2009 was the time to neck stomp those scumbags and instead we got passive “outreach” and olive branches and calls for bipartisanship that was never, ever going to happen.

They play ruthlessly. They play to win at all costs.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,503 posts)
31. Agreed.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:52 PM
Oct 2018

The first part was pretty much under the radar. After the demise of the Fairness Doctrine the gloves truly came off.

Our side never seems to see it coming and never seems to have the counterpunching.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
44. That's my problem too: WTF is wrong that we didn't/couldn't/wouldn't see this coming?
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 05:59 PM
Oct 2018

They got themselves a game plan and a road map way back in 1970 and they have been following it ever since. And now we are starting to wake up?

Jeezus Keeeerrriiiist on a trailer hitch.

sandensea

(21,670 posts)
26. Machiavelli said it best.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:26 PM
Oct 2018

Politics is war by other means.

Rethugs have very much seen it that way since the Nixon years. And as sad as it is to say, we should too.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
27. About Time...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 11:33 PM
Oct 2018

Someone is saying it. High time to wake up from the Coma and Play To Crush the GOP, Burn the GOP and Take All The Power from All Things GOP.

LenaBaby61

(6,977 posts)
32. Malcolm Nance ...
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 01:01 AM
Oct 2018

Has been discussing the spread of Authoritarianism for a while now as we've discussed here on this site ....



lunatica

(53,410 posts)
34. Yes. I get that now.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 01:08 AM
Oct 2018

The only possible reason for what they are doing is to go back to 1776 when the Constitution was written and brand new.

It makes complete sense.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
36. K&R&Bookmarking
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 03:19 AM
Oct 2018

so I can easily remind myself to come back in the morning and read the entire article.

Thank you for the OP.

pioche4

(114 posts)
37. A Mock Constitutional Convention has already happened...Sept 2016, see links and related articles
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 03:15 PM
Oct 2018

It isn't alarmist that the looonnnnggg game is absolute power maintained..its been a 30 yr long game, made even more real with the redistricting in 2010. They only need 34 State legislatures to pass the motion for a constitutional conv.

This has been a bigger worry to me than Trump, Kav, etc.....they are all kogs in a wheel that could end up with the constitution ripped up and rewritten. Even the organization of government and 3 separate sectors could be scrapped.

Mock Const. Convention was held: Sept 21-26, 2016
https://conventionofstates.com/cos-simulation ... There is a final report posted there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/23/us/inside-the-conservative-push-for-states-to-amend-the-constitution.html?mcubz=0&_r=0

"So far, 28 states have adopted resolutions calling for a convention on a balanced-budget amendment, including 10 in the past three years, and two, Oklahoma and West Virginia, this spring. That is just six states short of the 34 needed to invoke the Article 5 clause."

"Article 5 places no limits on a convention’s power. Some experts note that the Constitution itself arose from a convention called to amend its predecessor, the Articles of Confederation — and tore up the document and started from scratch."


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-republican-constitution-amendment-20161205-story.html
The possibility of a convention dominated by delegates from a single party is "alarming," said Carolyn Fiddler, a spokeswoman for the national Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee.

"There are no rules. They can just throw out the whole Constitution if they want to," Fiddler said. "It's the wildest of Wild West situations."

And another:
https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/constitutional-convention-explainer/index.html

debsy

(530 posts)
38. The (planetary) oligarchs are making their move.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 04:22 PM
Oct 2018

We have sat on the side-lines for far too long. Wyoming has a population of 563,767, according to the last census, and gets 3 electoral votes. That translates to 187922 people per electoral vote cast. California's population in the last census was 39.54 million (I believe it is over 40 million now) with 55 electoral votes. That translates to over 720000 people per electoral vote cast. That is beyond messed up. We need to start boycotting and taking radical steps to cut their source of power off. We stop buying frivolous (most of what we buy) things, and take our money away from the banks and Wall Street so the companies that support these assholes feel our pain. They understand money and power. The power we have is to hit them in their pocketbooks and to get out and hold them accountable. We need to start getting involved in our local politics and holding those who claim to represent us accountable. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!

FirstLight

(13,364 posts)
39. Gideon awaits...
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 04:49 PM
Oct 2018

The long term effects of this is downright terrifying, not just here but all over the world. I fear what things will look like in less than 5 years, especially as Climate Change ramps up and causes fighting over resources, misplaced populations, etc. We are NOT living in a fun time folks.

I don't know what to do yet, except vote. Also living in a rural area makes it hard to march... I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop in some sense, though Kavanaugh brings that a LOT closer IMO.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
41. We Are Up Against It
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 05:40 PM
Oct 2018

It is time to point out daily what a right wing scam the Electoral College is. Minus that bizarre system no Dubya no Orange Doofus.

elocs

(22,608 posts)
45. The tens of millions of Republicans and Trump supporters are going nowhere.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 06:35 PM
Oct 2018

Even if Democrats retake the House, the Senate, the White House these millions of right wingers are not going to disappear in some kind of political rapture--they will still be here fighting and voting and obstructing. They do this because they believe it is their duty, their mission to stop the godless "libtards" and they don't need to be excited and motivated to get out and vote.
This is war without end and unless those on the Left stick together and are vigilant and vote as if the future of the country depends upon it, then the right will prevail and they will do everything they can to maintain their power and control.
We had better hope that Ruth Bader Ginsburg remains in good health and able to stay on the Supreme Court until Trump is gone otherwise he will be able to fill a third of the seats on the Supreme Court and it will remain solidly conservative for a generation.

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