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blm

(113,094 posts)
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 05:34 PM Oct 2018

Trump publicly declared the assaulted women committed a hoax. Can they sue him for slander?

This type of claim would REALLY put their lives even more at risk. He accused them of committing a crime. Especially slanderous since he went on to say they were people who are 'evil'. Just what the delusional RW nutcases need to hear from their leader. Isn't there a plausible lawsuit there?

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Trump publicly declared the assaulted women committed a hoax. Can they sue him for slander? (Original Post) blm Oct 2018 OP
Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress dlk Oct 2018 #1
If he wasn't the President, absolutely. Elon Musk is getting sued by the person who was still_one Oct 2018 #2
That could still be challenged. GOPs do it all the time when it suits them. blm Oct 2018 #5
I agree still_one Oct 2018 #7
no, that is not what was decided shanny Oct 2018 #35
As an aside manor321 Oct 2018 #3
So what I'm getting from this is... In It to Win It Oct 2018 #27
How can he feel so certain? Trumpmustgo_ Oct 2018 #4
Uh, when did she admit she was raped? dumbcat Oct 2018 #10
We not talking about Ms. Ford? Trumpmustgo_ Oct 2018 #22
When did Ms Ford admit she was raped? dumbcat Oct 2018 #23
She's wasn't gang banged? Trumpmustgo_ Oct 2018 #24
You're thinking of Avenatti's witness. Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #25
O then I'm misinformed, sorry. Trumpmustgo_ Oct 2018 #28
Understandable. It was pretty fast and furious for a while. n/t Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #30
I'm glad this ass has been banned. This post alone is soooo offensive. marble falls Oct 2018 #39
Yes, he can be sued for slander marylandblue Oct 2018 #6
Accusing someone of a crime(lying in sworn statements/testimony/FBI interviews) is defamation per se RockRaven Oct 2018 #8
and open it ALL up to discovery blm Oct 2018 #9
Accusing someone of a crime - if true - is not defamation (per se - or otherwise). Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #29
She can get witnesses deposed in a suit. Including Trump and Kavanaugh. blm Oct 2018 #31
Yes, but it's still very hard to prove when there is not tangible evidence Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #33
I would blm Oct 2018 #34
He used the word "hoax." Worse than "lying" kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2018 #38
Sadly, Ford is now a limited public figure nt Azathoth Oct 2018 #11
He accused them both of committing a crime. That's a big step up from mere gossip. blm Oct 2018 #19
Someone should write a book riverwalker Oct 2018 #12
The is the same anus that says says central Park Five are guilty, despite DNA evidence Brother Buzz Oct 2018 #13
This is tRump's MO MiniMe Oct 2018 #14
He doesn't have the dough people were led to believe. Pretty sure their legal bills would be covered blm Oct 2018 #20
Agree, but he will still appeal any judgement against him MiniMe Oct 2018 #21
Sure we could blm Oct 2018 #32
Boozin Brett will vote no RhodeIslandOne Oct 2018 #15
If Trump managed to get the libel/slander laws changed the way he wanted them changed then yes. mwooldri Oct 2018 #16
Except he accused them in front of news cameras of lying about their sexual assault and declared them evil blm Oct 2018 #17
Let's hope so. moondust Oct 2018 #18
Not with Brett in the SC Bfd Oct 2018 #26
No, prolly not Puzzledtraveller Oct 2018 #36
Should Kavanaugh sue Ford? keithbvadu2 Oct 2018 #37

still_one

(92,409 posts)
2. If he wasn't the President, absolutely. Elon Musk is getting sued by the person who was
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 05:41 PM
Oct 2018

instrumental in rescuing the children in Thailand by calling him a "pediophile"

In the Paula Jones case Judge Weber ruled that a sitting President couldn't be sued



 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
35. no, that is not what was decided
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 07:27 PM
Oct 2018

although in this case there is a distinction:

Clinton v. Jones, 520 U.S. 681 (1997), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case establishing that a sitting President of the United States has no immunity from civil law litigation, in federal court, against him or her, for acts done before taking office and unrelated to the office."


So. Clearly the preznit in question is in office and ifaik there has been no decision made in that instance.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
3. As an aside
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 05:41 PM
Oct 2018

Of course his behavior is disgusting, but have you noticed how Republicans never back down? They never apologize. And voters don't punish them for it. There is a lesson in there somewhere, especially for people actually telling the truth.

 

Trumpmustgo_

(11 posts)
4. How can he feel so certain?
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 05:42 PM
Oct 2018

It’s sad the President of the USA can get away with calling a woman that just admitted she was raped evil. The President is the evil one!!!

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
23. When did Ms Ford admit she was raped?
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:05 PM
Oct 2018

I saw accusations of sexual assault, but no mention of penetration. Did something change?

 

Trumpmustgo_

(11 posts)
24. She's wasn't gang banged?
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:00 PM
Oct 2018

I thought I remember her saying like three or four guys took turns with her. I’m so lost now. Thank God she wasn’t raped then, although sexual assault can’t be much better.

Sorry for confusion.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. Yes, he can be sued for slander
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 05:46 PM
Oct 2018

There are already two lawsuits pending against him - Summer Zervos and Stormy Daniels.

RockRaven

(15,003 posts)
8. Accusing someone of a crime(lying in sworn statements/testimony/FBI interviews) is defamation per se
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 05:52 PM
Oct 2018

I don't know how much being POTUS would shield him from a civil suit on this matter, but he'd argue it all the ay up to SCOTUS of course.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
29. Accusing someone of a crime - if true - is not defamation (per se - or otherwise).
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:02 PM
Oct 2018

His contention is that his statements are true. As part of the prima facie case for defamation, she would need to prove his statements were false, i.e. that she did not lie under oath. That can be challenging to prove - especially when, as here, there are no tangible facts to support her testimony.

I'm not suggesting - for a moment - that I think she lied. I absolutely beleive her - but what can be demonstrated in court is a different matter. If I was in her shoes, it would be far more than I would be willing to tolerate.

blm

(113,094 posts)
31. She can get witnesses deposed in a suit. Including Trump and Kavanaugh.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:31 PM
Oct 2018

And especially the witnesses she told before his confirmation. Same with Ramirez and same with Swetnick who ALL had witnesses ready to go, but, were blocked from being interviewed by WH.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
33. Yes, but it's still very hard to prove when there is not tangible evidence
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:40 PM
Oct 2018

She will bear the burden of proving his statement was false.

If I was in her shoes, I would not choose to spend my emotional bandwidth chasing Trump on this matter.

MiniMe

(21,718 posts)
14. This is tRump's MO
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 06:25 PM
Oct 2018

He has way more money than she does, and he will appeal and appeal and his lawyers will get rich just so he won't have a conviction against him. That is why he ruined so many small businesses, they can't afford all the lawsuits and it ends up bankrupting them. tRump is just a mean, vile man

blm

(113,094 posts)
20. He doesn't have the dough people were led to believe. Pretty sure their legal bills would be covered
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 08:07 PM
Oct 2018

by the millions who want to see justice prevail.

MiniMe

(21,718 posts)
21. Agree, but he will still appeal any judgement against him
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 08:37 PM
Oct 2018

And the little folks won't be able to counter that.

blm

(113,094 posts)
32. Sure we could
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:33 PM
Oct 2018

Some of Ford’s supporters have far more REAL dollars than the con man in chief.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
16. If Trump managed to get the libel/slander laws changed the way he wanted them changed then yes.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 06:55 PM
Oct 2018

Presently it would be extremely hard to win a libel/slander case in the USA thanks to the 1st Amendment which Mr. Trump presently is seen running roughshod over on multiple occasions.

If Trump were a UK politician, he'd probably be in court permanently for all his lies and slander. Probably kicked out of Parliament too - that is if he ever got in, something Nigel Farage never managed to do.

blm

(113,094 posts)
17. Except he accused them in front of news cameras of lying about their sexual assault and declared them evil
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 07:08 PM
Oct 2018

He accused them of a CRIME. Hard to imagine that it would even be possible for him to walk that back. He also has a special position of power over the lives of those he so viciously attacked.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
18. Let's hope so.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 07:31 PM
Oct 2018

This kind of talk could have the effect of further silencing some women for fear of not being believed, which could then lead to more sexual assaults if some emboldened men are pretty sure their victims won't be believed.

keithbvadu2

(36,917 posts)
37. Should Kavanaugh sue Ford?
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:36 PM
Oct 2018

The Federalist
?Verified account @FDRLST

Brett Kavanaugh has been libeled and slandered. For that the law offers redress. He should sue Ford and the Washington Post. For $20 million. Each.
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Absolutely! And Kav would not be protected by a limited scope investigation.


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