Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 09:42 PM Oct 2018

Third Party traitors gave us Mitch McConnell

The idea that if we leave the Democratic Party and go for the more extreme alternative didn't start with Susan Sarandon.

Its the reason why McConnell was able to defeat a Democratic Senator in 1984.

McConnell Republican 644,990
Huddleston Democrat 639,821
Dave Welters Socialist Workers 7.696

Margin of victory 5,269

As you grit your teeth as you listen to Mitch McConnell crow about his victory and how its all going to blow over in a few days just think of the self centered Dave Welters who knew that he was smarter than everyone else and had to get his name on the ballot for the 'larger victory'.

Strange because in this SWP pamphlet they find that Trump isn't bad, not a fascist, and there is no ultra right movement in the US. Trump is good because he "thumbs his nose at party bosses".

http://www.themilitant.com/SWPCampaign2016/pdf/SWPFreeSpeechStatement.pdf 2016 SWP

This is how a minority party stays in power, by diverting just a small number of well intentioned low information voters on the left to actually turn out and advance the Republican cause.

And we should fight for Sarandon's right to be honoured at DU?

I think not.

11 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Third Party traitors gave us Mitch McConnell (Original Post) grantcart Oct 2018 OP
no KentuckyWoman Oct 2018 #1
That proves my point, KY is soft on incumbents grantcart Oct 2018 #2
KR!!! Cha Oct 2018 #3
not having a better election system is the problem here. Democrats should certainly be advancing JCanete Oct 2018 #4
Yes people have a right to vote just as they have a right to be exceedingly naive grantcart Oct 2018 #5
Amen! Eyes on the Prize. Cha Oct 2018 #8
That's not true. It doesn't have to be a constitutional amendment. It isn't some JCanete Oct 2018 #11
K&R betsuni Oct 2018 #6
Wow.. that's really obtuse and super ignorant of Cha Oct 2018 #7
KICK! Cha Oct 2018 #9
K&R sheshe2 Oct 2018 #10

KentuckyWoman

(6,690 posts)
1. no
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 09:46 PM
Oct 2018

Kentucky legitimately keeps sending him back. If he'd lost by a small margin in 84 they would have elected him next go round.

I can't explain it other than stupidity.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
2. That proves my point, KY is soft on incumbents
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 09:56 PM
Oct 2018

He only got close because of the Reagan landslide.

Had Huddleston been re elected then he would likely have continued to win as he got 61% of the vote on the previous election.

Had McConnell lost he wouldn't be "sent back" he would be an unknown County Commissioner.

If he wasn't elected in 84 he wouldn't have the lure of the incumbency he would have been the guy who lost in a Republican landslide.
 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
4. not having a better election system is the problem here. Democrats should certainly be advancing
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:39 AM
Oct 2018

better local and state election parameters in places they control so that voting 3rd party isn't a spoiler vote and isn't thrown away. Tactically I think its often problematic to vote 3rd party, but philosophically, its something that people have every right to do, and 2 parties shouldn't have a choke-hold on viable candidates. If we don't like spoilers, we should stop shaming them and try to change our voting process(first where we can) to something like runoff voting that eliminates that problem, but when's the last time you've heard any mainstream Democratic candidate advocate for something like that? The problem is the benefactors of a two-party system are those two parties, except of course, when somebody plays spoiler.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
5. Yes people have a right to vote just as they have a right to be exceedingly naive
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 04:00 AM
Oct 2018

"Better election parameters"???? What does that even mean?? Some extra constitutional solution that exists in imaginary beer discussions.


In this election where the Democratic nominee takes 1 state and the District of Columbia. In Kentucky a very weak McConnell [b [/b. underperforms Reagan by 20% and 270,000 .

The only way McConnell wins is by professional ratfucking by buying the corrupt SWP to run and pull the half percent that will make a difference.

In 2016 Trump camaign hires them to try discredit Dems in Chicago.

The fundamental problem in modern US politics is that there is a bedrock racist, mysoginistic, anti poor, anti BLGTQ, block of 40-50 million and we need every progressive/Democratic to row in the same direction and not engaging in self centered, self promoting, self aggrandizing political masturbation.
 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
11. That's not true. It doesn't have to be a constitutional amendment. It isn't some
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 03:49 AM
Oct 2018

"imaginary beer" discussion.

http://prospect.org/article/would-instant-runoff-voting-cure-what-ails-american-politics.


The fundamental problem in America is that there are forces that have been working for a long time to mold or freeze people into those racist misogynistic, anti poor...etc. cubby holes. Because it makes them pliable. The problem is almost everybody with power does not like ceding that power, and that also goes with the Democratic Party, which could absolutely make instant-runoff voting part of its platform, and could absolutely usher it in in states we control. Which would entirely eliminate spoilers, and would take a lot of wind out of the sails of a protest vote, or conversely, would allow the protest vote and simultaneously account for the pragmatic vote.

Cha

(297,490 posts)
7. Wow.. that's really obtuse and super ignorant of
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:06 AM
Oct 2018

the SWP to conclude trump isn't a dumb stupid fascist who turned out to be under vladmirputin's thumb.

What do they have to say about that.. ".. no ultra right party in the US.." now?

trump is the anti-Christ. Too bad the Democrat didn't win back in 1984 and maybe we would have had a chance not to have this Russian asshole asset as the heinous majority asshole now.

It's too weird it happened in 1984 and here we are getting piled on by the Fascist Big Brother.. working hard to make sure we continue Living our Worst Nightmares.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Third Party traitors gave...