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The Senate truly is up for grabs. (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 OP
I hate to say it genxlib Oct 2018 #1
Possibly. Am hoping Gillum has coattails to help Nelson. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #2
Rick Scott is not going to win budkin Oct 2018 #22
This storm is going MFM008 Oct 2018 #30
Also if people walk in the red tide water they can get really sick womanofthehills Oct 2018 #41
Yes, but the blue algae is a new variable. And it's naaaasty. lindysalsagal Oct 2018 #32
I think the devastation of this hurricane will be too great to help Scott womanofthehills Oct 2018 #36
Yes genxlib Oct 2018 #37
That storm destroyed the panhandle. Ligyron Oct 2018 #44
I predict we win the senate! Joe941 Oct 2018 #3
Ah not so fast.......538 says no way...... a kennedy Oct 2018 #5
He also said Hillary was almost a guarantee Drahthaardogs Oct 2018 #6
I know......and doing what I can to help DEMS win the Senate. a kennedy Oct 2018 #7
Good for you. I have the Hatch Act that more or less restricts me. Drahthaardogs Oct 2018 #9
No he didn't jcgoldie Oct 2018 #16
In an election, 70% is almost a guarantee Drahthaardogs Oct 2018 #19
70% is far from a guarantee fallout87 Oct 2018 #21
You can't use statistics when the game is rigged Drahthaardogs Oct 2018 #25
Nate has also had a lot more trouble predicting local races sweetloukillbot Oct 2018 #27
Hillary was 80% Joe941 Oct 2018 #34
No it is not karynnj Oct 2018 #45
After 2016 MFM008 Oct 2018 #31
The folks at 538 were the ones warning that Clinton didn't have it in the bag. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #35
Anything is possible MFM008 Oct 2018 #42
Of course. And 538 agrees that it's possible. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #43
Past is not prologue DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #38
Floridians, get off your couch and vote Gillum, Nelson, and Democrat down ballot! OrlandoDem2 Oct 2018 #4
538 has 20% chance Dems take the Senate manor321 Oct 2018 #8
And that 20% will continue to drop Awsi Dooger Oct 2018 #10
I think you are way off on the TN race redstateblues Oct 2018 #11
Lol at calling Blackburn Blackheart....because she does have a horrible black heart...or not one. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #14
Sounds more like anecdotal evidence. fallout87 Oct 2018 #23
It will shift back now that the Kavanaugh thing fades into memory redstateblues Oct 2018 #28
Because it is a tough year for us with the states that have seats up karynnj Oct 2018 #46
Of those 10, we're defending 6. *If* we win 5 of those 6, we have to win 3 of the other 4. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #12
I really wish for a miracle in Utah Polybius Oct 2018 #13
Don't get your hopes up. Romney wins huge. Look elsewhere on the map for Dem wins. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #15
hoping Romney loses in Utah is like hoping Democrats lose California JI7 Oct 2018 #33
The prophet has spoken FreeState Oct 2018 #40
Senate falls below 20% on 538 for first time Awsi Dooger Oct 2018 #17
Not according to 538/Nate Silver fallout87 Oct 2018 #18
Nate analyzes data...real Clear just lists all of the recent polls and averages them. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #20
538 analyzes polls too fallout87 Oct 2018 #24
Yes, 538/Nate analyzes many things. Real Clear does not analyze. It just averages polls. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #26
If you believe in fantasy sports statistics, then DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #39
Remain in striking distance for 2020 and 2022 Awsi Dooger Oct 2018 #29

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
1. I hate to say it
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 08:53 PM
Oct 2018

But this hurricane really helps Scott in Florida. He has a real talent for jumping in front of a camera and taking credit for work that other people have done.

Of course that assumes that the damage is not so bad as to affect turn out in areas of the State that would be strong for him.

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
30. This storm is going
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 05:35 AM
Oct 2018

To blow red tide all the way to Mississippi.
Id keep showing piles of dead fish and remind voters
Who was Governor.

womanofthehills

(8,712 posts)
41. Also if people walk in the red tide water they can get really sick
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 05:12 PM
Oct 2018

Breathing it is bad enough. Breathing the organism causes bronchoconstriction.

karelia braves = red tide organism produces toxic chemicals that effects the nervous system just like pesticides.

And don't forget the mega maggots on the dead fish.

womanofthehills

(8,712 posts)
36. I think the devastation of this hurricane will be too great to help Scott
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:11 PM
Oct 2018

Lots of people did not evacuate - it's going to be really bad. Trump is still deciding if he is going to go to his rally. Trump is in la la land.

Trump said the government has been helping some people evacuate, but he said others "don't want to go out."

"They will be OK," Trump said. "They are strong, smart, wonderful people."



https://www.wfmz.com/weather/trump-warns-of-powerful-hurricane-michael/805357453

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
37. Yes
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:43 PM
Oct 2018

The storm looks a lot worse than it did yesterday when I made that post. It seems to be 20-30 mph stronger than they were anticipating and that makes a huge difference. 150mph is a whole different kind of storm than 120mph.

As someone who lived through Andrew and has seen a lot of devastation, I fear for them.

It is still too early to tell how this effects Scott politically but that is immaterial right now when citizens are in real danger.

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
44. That storm destroyed the panhandle.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:41 PM
Oct 2018

A hot bed of GOP voters and their voting infrastructure may be screwed up?

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
16. No he didn't
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:34 PM
Oct 2018

He said her odds were 70%. That was much much lower than anyone else and he even caught flack at the time for being too conservative and promoting a horserace while others like Sam Wang said her chances were 99.9% and promised to eat bugs if she lost.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
19. In an election, 70% is almost a guarantee
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:38 PM
Oct 2018

Plus I think that number was his REVISED version after he came out with his "I wasn't really wrong article.

Regardless, if the election wasn't straight (and I don't believe it was) poll numbers are wrong.

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
21. 70% is far from a guarantee
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:39 PM
Oct 2018

We found that out the hard way.

Nate took a lot of flack for having it at 70/30... but he was closer than most others.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
25. You can't use statistics when the game is rigged
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:48 PM
Oct 2018

Like playing BlackJack with marked cards. Odds become meaningless

sweetloukillbot

(11,026 posts)
27. Nate has also had a lot more trouble predicting local races
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:52 PM
Oct 2018

IIRC he said something to that effect a few years ago - his model worked on national elections, but wasn't as accurate for state elections.
He also has a tendency to frame things to where he's always right, regardless of the outcomes.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
45. No it is not
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:02 PM
Oct 2018

This never meant that she was predicted to get 70 percent of the vote. This was the result of simulations that gave her an overall probability of winning at 70%. That meant that Trump had a 30 percent chance of winning. Odds of 7 out of 10 is NOT a guarantee.

I think the meaning of his analytical model result was misunderstood by many who considered it to be like polling results -- where you would be very correct that someone getting 70 percent would be extremely unlikely to lose without any major event impacting the race. While I would prefer to have the 70 percent probability, it was not a sure thing. Two things that were concerning were that the trend was against us. The other thing was that Silver pointed out that in a wave, states tend to break in the same direction.

The results actually came close to the final national polling. She was about 3 percent ahead -- which was where she actually was.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
35. The folks at 538 were the ones warning that Clinton didn't have it in the bag.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 03:45 PM
Oct 2018

And they're certainly not wrong about it being unlikely that we'll gain control of the Senate. We have to win almost every single one of the 10 races mentioned in the OP.

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
4. Floridians, get off your couch and vote Gillum, Nelson, and Democrat down ballot!
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 08:59 PM
Oct 2018

We need to control the Senate to control court nominations.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
8. 538 has 20% chance Dems take the Senate
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:12 PM
Oct 2018

It is more probable that we lose Senate seats.

Just think how bad the Republicans have been the last two years and yet they can still pick up seats.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
10. And that 20% will continue to drop
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:44 PM
Oct 2018

It has been going down an average of almost 1% per day.

Once it gets closer to election day the polling takes on more significance, and not the purported wave aspect that was baked into the original 34.3% number on 538, which was frankly a joke. Other mathematical markets were in the 16-22% range when Nate posted that 34.3%.

The Tennessee race looks to be much more lopsided than conventional wisdom preferred. If other polls match the CBS poll and now the New York Times ongoing poll, that race will shift out of the toss-up category, where it probably never was to begin with. Blackburn was always the betting favorite despite Bredesen leading in the polls.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
11. I think you are way off on the TN race
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:15 PM
Oct 2018

I’m in Blackhearts district and there are a lot of Republicans planning to vote for Bredesen. I think we’ve got a better shot than Beto

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
46. Because it is a tough year for us with the states that have seats up
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:07 PM
Oct 2018

We have many seats in red or purple areas that we won in 2012.

I hope we DO win the Senate -- and if we do, we likely keep it through the next two cycles - as those are the ones from 2014 and 2016 - when we lost seats we should have won.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
12. Of those 10, we're defending 6. *If* we win 5 of those 6, we have to win 3 of the other 4.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:27 PM
Oct 2018

That's a really tall order.

Polybius

(15,423 posts)
13. I really wish for a miracle in Utah
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:31 PM
Oct 2018

I thought we saw the last of that moron Romney when he got his ass handed to him in 2012!

JI7

(89,251 posts)
33. hoping Romney loses in Utah is like hoping Democrats lose California
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 06:42 AM
Oct 2018

it's just not going to happen.


 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
17. Senate falls below 20% on 538 for first time
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:36 PM
Oct 2018

Barely...at 19.9%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=midterms-header

But I don't mind today's overall sample because the House rose from 73.8% on 538 all the way up to 78.3%. I'd prefer to solidify the House than keep flimsy hopes toward the senate.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/?ex_cid=midterms-header

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
18. Not according to 538/Nate Silver
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:38 PM
Oct 2018

Our chances went down this morning...

from 2/7 to 1/5. Their modeling suggest the houses with go in different directions... Dems pick up seats in house, Reps pick up seats in senate.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-behind-democrats-shrinking-senate-odds/

Funtatlaguy

(10,878 posts)
20. Nate analyzes data...real Clear just lists all of the recent polls and averages them.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:39 PM
Oct 2018

Yes, Nate looks at trends...and they aren’t good for us now....but, it’s possible....27 days...and still could do it....kind of like drawing to an inside straight though

Funtatlaguy

(10,878 posts)
26. Yes, 538/Nate analyzes many things. Real Clear does not analyze. It just averages polls.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:51 PM
Oct 2018

I think we are saying the same thing.
I posted Real Clear because it is more optimistic for the Dems just seeing the raw data.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
29. Remain in striking distance for 2020 and 2022
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:44 AM
Oct 2018

I realize nobody wants to look at it that way, but it is a reasonable goal. The next two cycles set up favorably.

If we could walk out of 2018 with 49 I would be thrilled, given what it looked like from a big picture perspective, and considering how many seats we would have lost if Hillary had been president.

Not that I would trade that presidential loss for senate situation. But it is ultimate denial not to realize the devastating losses we would have suffered this cycle if Hillary had won. The senate probably would have been gone for the foreseeable. That's what you give up by winning three consecutive terms and allowing the other side to have free swings in the subsequent midterm each time.

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