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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,010 posts) Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:00 PM Oct 2018

Trump: 'Dems will end ethanol'

Trump said Tuesday that Democrats would “end ethanol” if they gained power in the upcoming midterm congressional elections.

At an Iowa rally where he rolled out a plan to boost ethanol use by lifting a key limit on ethanol content in gasoline, Trump warned attendees that in contrast to his pro-ethanol policies, Democrats would be anti-ethanol.

“The Dems will end ethanol, you know that, they’re not going to approve ethanol,” he said. “They will find a way to take it away ... you better go out there and vote for Republicans.”

Iowa’s economy depends heavily on corn ethanol and on the federal ethanol mandate. Trump’s visit came weeks before the midterm election and gave ethanol interests a major victory they have been pushing for years.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/410683-trump-dems-will-end-ethanol

Then how come they didn't end it during the Obama years you stupid fuck?

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Trump: 'Dems will end ethanol' (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 OP

That's a goddamned lie! (hic!). nt Xipe Totec Oct 2018 #1

Yes it is. saidsimplesimon Oct 2018 #4

Xactly! nt Xipe Totec Oct 2018 #11

Trump has no ethics, no morals. Just say what is needed to get what he wants. Demovictory9 Oct 2018 #15

And for anyone who likes to pretend this is anything new for Republicans... JHB Oct 2018 #17

As they should Drahthaardogs Oct 2018 #2

+1 tymorial Oct 2018 #13

IIRC Trumpsters tried to do that last year rurallib Oct 2018 #3

What an asshole. 👹👹👹👹 Trust Buster Oct 2018 #5

Which isnt a bad thing ..ethanol is fuckall idea.. Corn ethanol is net energy negative Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #6

Corn ethanol is definitely a bad fuel. roamer65 Oct 2018 #18

Not true Dickster Oct 2018 #21

Still.. The moisture issues with ethanol remains. Ethanol has lower energy density than gasoline so Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #24

As long as Trump is in power, ethanol sales to Democrats will boom. nt The_jackalope Oct 2018 #7

On the contrary, Donnie Moscow meow2u3 Oct 2018 #8

What elected Democrats in any significant position favor that? former9thward Oct 2018 #12

"Commenting on internet snippets is dangerous..." LanternWaste Oct 2018 #25

he lies with every breath... spanone Oct 2018 #9

WTF is he talking about? No one has said this ever. Initech Oct 2018 #10

He likely knows nothing about Iowa. so his handlers Thrill Oct 2018 #19

He most likely doesn't know 95% of what he is talking about. Initech Oct 2018 #22

We should. tymorial Oct 2018 #14

. Takket Oct 2018 #16

And corn syrup! Liberals hate corn syrup! JDC Oct 2018 #20

And I hear Soros gives good benefits! Initech Oct 2018 #23

All he does is lie and he gets away with it. book_worm Oct 2018 #26

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)

1. That's a goddamned lie! (hic!). nt

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:02 PM

Oct 2018

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)

4. Yes it is.

Reply to Xipe Totec (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:13 PM

Oct 2018

"Then how come they didn't end it during the Obama years you stupid fuck?"

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)

11. Xactly! nt

Reply to saidsimplesimon (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:42 PM

Oct 2018

Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)

15. Trump has no ethics, no morals. Just say what is needed to get what he wants.

Reply to saidsimplesimon (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:05 PM

Oct 2018

JHB

(37,160 posts)

17. And for anyone who likes to pretend this is anything new for Republicans...

Reply to Demovictory9 (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:14 PM

Oct 2018

...The very same thing was (and still is) true of Newt Gingrich a quarter century ago. They made him Speaker of the House for it.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)

2. As they should

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:04 PM

Oct 2018

Welfare for corporate farms to produce a product that requires more energy than it generates

tymorial

(3,433 posts)

13. +1

Reply to Drahthaardogs (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:59 PM

Oct 2018

rurallib

(62,416 posts)

3. IIRC Trumpsters tried to do that last year

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:05 PM

Oct 2018

Maybe that is how they got old Chuck by the balls - traded his soul for corn alcohol.

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)

5. What an asshole. 👹👹👹👹

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:18 PM

Oct 2018

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)

6. Which isnt a bad thing ..ethanol is fuckall idea.. Corn ethanol is net energy negative

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:24 PM

Oct 2018

Alcohol is hygroscopic ..ie it will absorb moisture from air ..and miscible with water.

Water in gas beyond a certian level is bad for engines.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)

18. Corn ethanol is definitely a bad fuel.

Reply to Le Gaucher (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:22 PM

Oct 2018

We need synthetic hydrocarbons produced from atmospheric CO2.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/06/carbon-engineering-liquid-fuel-carbon-capture-neutral-science/

Great use for solar and wind generated electricity.

Dickster

(103 posts)

21. Not true

Reply to Le Gaucher (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:02 PM

Oct 2018

Cassman, a professor of agronomy at the University of Nebraska–Lincoln, said in 2008 that ethanol has a substantial net positive direct energy balance—1.5 to 1.6 more units of energy are derived from ethanol than are used to produce it. Comparing 2008 to 2003, Alan Tiemann of Seward, a Nebraska Corn Board member, said that ethanol plants produce 15 percent more ethanol from a bushel of corn and use about 20 percent less energy in the process. At the same time, corn growers are more efficient, producing more corn per acre and using less energy to do so.[4]

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)

24. Still.. The moisture issues with ethanol remains. Ethanol has lower energy density than gasoline so

Reply to Dickster (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:48 PM

Oct 2018

You are getting ripped off if you pay the same amount per gallon as regular gas... And the lower energy density results in lower acceleration for non Flex Fuel Vehicles.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)

7. As long as Trump is in power, ethanol sales to Democrats will boom. nt

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:26 PM

Oct 2018

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)

8. On the contrary, Donnie Moscow

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:28 PM

Oct 2018

Democrats would want ethanol fueled cars, which I nickname "boozemobiles." Ethanol is much cleaner energy than gas or diesel.

former9thward

(32,016 posts)

12. What elected Democrats in any significant position favor that?

Reply to meow2u3 (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:48 PM

Oct 2018

Ethanol is a terrible product which uses more energy to produce it than it supplies. Neither party has the guts to end it unfortunately. They are in bed with the Iowa farmers who they hope will vote for them in the undemocratic Iowa caucuses.