But the damage will still be in billions.

He said there should have been way more cars on the road leaving.

And now conservative radio shock jocks, and lying shitweasel Republicans will have one more small piece of ammo to employ against those dreaded "heartless, evil Democrats".

Let them try. Ever visit Breitbart? Holy cow - a sewer of racism, misogyny, anti-semitism (any article mentioning Jarad Kushner). I'd put all those comments in an online ad in a heartbeat. And remember, I'm a NYer who remembers how after Sandy, all of a sudden there needed to be offsets to help us out. I'll never forget that.

I offered no opinion regarding the efficacy of such a tactic. I simply pointed out that wingnut assholes such as Limbaugh, Carlson, Ingraham, et al, are not above grabbing a comment from an anonymous lefty poster and attempting to use it to tar the entire progressive movement.
I personally do not celebrate tornadoes kicking the shit out of Oklahoma, Kansas, and the rest of Tornado Alley, nor do I enjoy watching storms of any nature devastate various bits of Wingnutistan.
Maybe that's just me.

and I hope that's not what you got from my post. Just pointing out that through all the hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, fires, whatever, you NEVER heard any NYer or anyone else from a state that gives more to the feds than they get back talk about the cost or even asked for thanks. Not until a storm hit NY, NJ, CT - all states that are "donor" states - did anyone all of a sudden give a crap about offsets. And I'll never forget that. They HATE us.

where kids come from both liberal and conversation homes.

Don't understand the sentiment about hurricanes targeting conservatives.

And many other places up that way. There are a lot of beautiful areas around there.

I suppose the rich and the retired military in the Florida panhandle will start lobbying for tax money to save their palaces built on sand.

You must be thinking of Manatee County or something else.

You are right, it's on the Atlantic coast instead of the gulf coast. I got that wrong, I am well north of there.

We stayed at Carabelle Beach one year on our way home from a big family trip. It's such a beautiful are and more like old Florida not being built up. Fishing towns along the lovely coast. Hurricane Dennis that it the year before we were there. If it weren't for the almost routine devastation I'd lobby my husband to move there. As much as I love arid Colorado I'd still move.

We live in FL and my friend lives in Denver and he keeps lobbying us to move there. The couple times I've visited him there I fell in love with the place.

It's old-hat to him but those mountains amaze me. I doubt we ever will move but if we start thinking about it, CO is at the top of the list.

Btw, I've lived here since 1976 and the mountains are still an awesome sight to us. We're in north Lakewood, so about 8 miles due west of downtown Denver. Being able to see the mountains from a few windows is a joy.

I was born and raised in Queens, NYC quite near the beaches. So I'm an island person at heart. No surprise that a part of Florida speaks to me. Carabelle, Sopchoppy. *Sigh*. But the mountains here make up for the ocean, every bit.

Come on up!

In the past 1/2 hour our first snow of the season started to fall. When the weather clears I expect that the mountains we see will be snow capped.

They were all in the Airstream travel trailer club and when I spent summers with them I went with them to rallies. The Sopchoppy folks made black-strap molasses and they all thought it was great fun to watch the expression on my 9 year old face the first time I tried it. My grandma laughed about that til the day she died. That was 45 years ago and I still remember that awful taste.

I'll holler next time we go up there! My friend is in Highland Ranch and I just heard from another friend who moved there this summer.

But this is a really bad spot for landfall. Lots of low areas, lots of poverty, and a nice little corner to help increase the storm surge.

My thoughts are with all of the residence of the area.

Hurricanes don't discriminate, assholes do.

And these assholes will fall all over themselves responding to this tragedy. Compared especially to PR and Maria

And the diaspora PR's now living in Florida will most likely take good note

Doing Search and Rescue under FEMA. I could set the election calendar based solely on the priorities of our deployments.

In election years, the deployments were fast and proactive. In non-election years, very slow to pull the trigger.

Yes, her mother is conservative. And they are with my sister, hopefully far enough from it. And they might lose their home. So thanks for asking.

take some big losses as well and insurance increases on property after this is over.

the Puerto Rico mess...I'd like to follow up w/ the Carolinas and the mess that they are in after their hurricane dumped loads of water on them...I'd bet that folks there are having issues w/ insurance due to flood water issues and not specifically hurricane related damages (insurance policies etc. clearly differ on how the damage was caused (water damages) and thus pay or not pay.

Hopes and thoughts for all involved. Don't wish anyone to suffer but unfortunately some will.

by wealthy people, a very large number of whom are from out of state. How will Florida residents respond to this? Gov. Scott's running for senator, so he'll likely do something like his best, but the best for lower-income residents of course isn't the same best as that given the more affluent.

60 Minutes just showed their piece again on one of the disappearing islands in the Chesapeake Bay. Residents are basically low income and vote heavily conservative, and they showed one still insisting on the local line that there is no sea level rise, just erosion -- which they of course are asking for massive infusion of federal tax dollars to stop.

God smiles on Susan's and Jeff's constituents as reward for their esteemed Senators allowing a slimeball onto the Supreme Court!

apparently he does it to liberals all the time, so say some preachers

It will also hit some of the poorest people in Florida, including Gadsden County, where many people do not have the means to evacuate.

The rain falls on the just and the unjust, but the poor drown.

Many people who could be seriously hurt and/or lose everything.

From Marc Caputo's political playbook today:

"IN CHARGE AND ON AIR — As we wrote yesterday , hurricanes can be a political boon to politicians, and Gov. Rick Scott stands to reap the most politically from the storm, which gives the state's top executive an unrivaled platform to be seen leading, especially on the nonpolitical Weather Channel. In just one day, Tuesday, Scott's name was mentioned 5,831 times, according to the TVEyes tracking service. His Democratic rival, Sen. Bill Nelson, had a tenth of that, 598 mentions. In the race for governor, Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum also got on the Weather Channel and CNN and earned 558 mentions. His Republican rival, Ron DeSantis, 298 mentions."

hurricanes don't discriminate.

The majority didn't care nor want any Federal $$$ going that way to help out a load of blacks that were stupid enough to live below sea level. WHY rebuild they said over and over and didn't think THEIR Guberment taxes should be spent on something so stupid.

Wonder what they'll say in the coming days??

I guess you feel your work is done here, right?

Had to sing at two Masses and then have a meeting with 6 pastors from 3 different denominations to set up an ecumenical Advent event

am as true blue as they get and hate the idea of lives lost due to this storm, whether they are conservative or not. It isn't a punishment for anyone. It is a cruel force of nature. I lived in Tallahassee for 6 years and I am familiar with many of the places being mentioned right now and it breaks my heart.