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disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:47 AM Oct 2018

35% of Dems support a Republican...

Does anyone else think this is troubling?? Seriously, where is the outrage?? I looked around but didn't see this posted.. is DU missing out on a serious issue here???

"despite the fact that Democrats outnumber Republicans by a two-to-one margin in the state. On Tuesday, a Washington Post/University of Maryland poll found that Jealous is trailing Hogan by 20 points—58 percent to 38 percent. Most troubling for Jealous is that Hogan is winning 35 percent of Democrats."

[link:https://newrepublic.com/minutes/151653/third-maryland-democrats-backing-republican-governor|

]https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/gov-larry-hogan-leads-democrat-ben-jealous-by-20-points-post-u-md-poll-finds/2018/10/09/c1d23f40-cb40-11e8-a360-85875bac0b1f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c673a6dee065&wpisrc=al_local_politics__alert-local-politics&wpmk=1

This is AMAZING... It seems like "blue no matter who" is on a case by case basis


update;
[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211286790|

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35% of Dems support a Republican... (Original Post) disillusioned73 Oct 2018 OP
they might call themselves Dems, but they ain't Dems. nt Javaman Oct 2018 #1
Yeah.. very wierd what is going on in Maryland.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #3
Occam's razor: The Democratic candidate is black. Just cut to the chase. brush Oct 2018 #57
Sorry, doesn't work here in Maryland. elleng Oct 2018 #60
Ever have a black governor? brush Oct 2018 #62
Something similar is happening in MA with the Republican Gov. Baker Tom Rinaldo Oct 2018 #2
Hey grantcart Oct 2018 #17
Hi grantcart. Aside from the Trump presidency etc, everything is well. Tom Rinaldo Oct 2018 #43
Connecticut is one of the bluest states in the country, yet we had republican governors.... George II Oct 2018 #74
Thanks, Tom, for recognizing our open-mindedness. elleng Oct 2018 #65
You can't tar every Republican with the same brush... brooklynite Oct 2018 #4
Like that fucking Republican governor in Maryland. BigDemVoter Oct 2018 #5
Ben Jealous Guppy Oct 2018 #6
He's the Democratic candidate.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #8
Why is he to polarizing? gabeana Oct 2018 #19
He isn't polarizing, elleng Oct 2018 #61
Nonsense. BeckyDem Oct 2018 #23
Jealous has yet to run any ads in the area MiniMe Oct 2018 #7
So, ads drive voters in Maryland?? disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #9
No, but that is part of a campaign MiniMe Oct 2018 #14
We are doomed if voters disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #40
Here's Beto O'Rourke apparently thinking voters are dumbed down..... brooklynite Oct 2018 #37
Only the informed voter types are on DU at140 Oct 2018 #52
Local and state politics different from national and just because some beachbum bob Oct 2018 #10
Jealous has not been a good campaigner JaneQPublic Oct 2018 #11
I wasn't impressed by any Dem candidate this year marylandblue Oct 2018 #13
I was torn between Baker and Krish Vignarajah in the primary. JaneQPublic Oct 2018 #15
and there were so many of them, elleng Oct 2018 #66
Terrible Answer On The Funding Question Me. Oct 2018 #27
That's unfortunate.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #44
I was impressed with Jealous, too, when he was speaking for OTHER causes. JaneQPublic Oct 2018 #49
Hogan is not a typical Republican marylandblue Oct 2018 #12
Republicans support democrats locally too. pwb Oct 2018 #16
DEMS IN DISSARAY!!!! RandySF Oct 2018 #18
Do you support Republicans?? disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #29
Do you support three-headed monsters?!? emulatorloo Oct 2018 #50
K & R Bfd Oct 2018 #51
+10 at140 Oct 2018 #53
Mahalo, emulatorloo! Cha Oct 2018 #69
Bazinga! George II Oct 2018 #70
Great post Gothmog Oct 2018 #72
False headline. Delete this thread or edit it Haynx Oct 2018 #20
That was my impression. dmr Oct 2018 #25
Nice try.. no, it is VERY accurate disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #30
Then say that -- your header is inaccurate and misleading obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #42
It's in the body, not doom & gloom.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #45
I didn't dispute that it's in the body Haynx Oct 2018 #47
Right, thanks. elleng Oct 2018 #58
I thought so.. until I clicked on it.. it is Cha Oct 2018 #68
Well they are wrong to do that. Never trust a conservative and never believe a moderate BeckyDem Oct 2018 #21
The media is always complicit... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #36
The moderate label is pure propaganda. BeckyDem Oct 2018 #46
"All politics is local". PoliticAverse Oct 2018 #22
Tip was a great guy janterry Oct 2018 #26
There are a few races which will have less of an impact that others janterry Oct 2018 #24
BS lsewpershad Oct 2018 #28
Yeah.. lol disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #32
Yes, it does. It's about one governor's race, in MARYLAND, elleng Oct 2018 #59
Republican Baker in Massachusetts NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #31
Wow.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #33
As blue a state as Massachusetts is NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #38
And, what's up with Vermont having a gop gov? Cha Oct 2018 #71
Yes, it's a big margin. Feels like MA and MD are similar, elleng Oct 2018 #67
It's disappointing, but not at "outrage" level. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #34
Great post Gothmog Oct 2018 #73
Not particularly surprising book_worm Oct 2018 #35
This cautionary (panic note) doesn't not apply across the board peggysue2 Oct 2018 #39
I just don't like the hypocrisy.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #41
Just another case of the uninformed masses voting against their self interest. Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #48
Callin bullshit on this one... may not be a fake poll, but certainly fake responses to the poll. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #54
Some Dems Are Slow to Learn Republicans Are Out to Destroy Everything We Stand For dlk Oct 2018 #55
I'm just going to say this. If you vote for any rapeublican, anywhere, at any time, onecaliberal Oct 2018 #56
About the Maryland legislature: elleng Oct 2018 #63
the Republican Governor does not support Trump JI7 Oct 2018 #64
Update.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #75

elleng

(130,931 posts)
60. Sorry, doesn't work here in Maryland.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 02:53 PM
Oct 2018

'The more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation.'

The Maryland state legislature is BLUE.

The Maryland General Assembly is the state legislature of the U.S. state of Maryland that convenes within the State House in Annapolis. It is a bicameral body: the upper chamber, the Maryland State Senate, has 47 representatives and the lower chamber, the Maryland House of Delegates, has 141 representatives. Wikipedia
Speaker of the House of Delegates: Michael E. Busch (D); Since January 8, 2003
House Majority Leader: William Frick (D); Since January 20, 2017
Senate Majority Leader: Katherine A. Klausmeier (D); Since December 6, 2016
President of the Senate: Thomas V. Mike Miller, Jr. (D); Since 1987

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
2. Something similar is happening in MA with the Republican Gov. Baker
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:53 AM
Oct 2018

And never forget that while Chris Christie was still posing as a "moderate" he easily won reelection in heavily Democratic NJ. Democratic voters tend to be more open minded about considering the merits of individuals running for office rather than just their party identification. It must be noted that Hogan is NOT a big Trump backer.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
17. Hey
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:16 PM
Oct 2018

I don't want to get into it on the Maryland thread but I believe it to be a proxy argument that if Democrats can support a good Republican over a Democrat then they have to shut up about Bernie not being a Democrat.

I have always found something odd about Jealous. Patronizing, sneering, can't put my finger on it but not surprised he is failing.

Hope everything is well

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
43. Hi grantcart. Aside from the Trump presidency etc, everything is well.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:11 PM
Oct 2018

Yeah, there may be some veiled proxy arguments going on but I have no interest in them. There is a larger pattern of "moderate" Republicans being elected governors of Blue States. Happened in Vermont also. I don't know much about Jealous personally but any Democrat nominated faced an uphill battle from what I can understand. Hogan is pretty damn popular in MD it seems.

George II

(67,782 posts)
74. Connecticut is one of the bluest states in the country, yet we had republican governors....
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 07:24 PM
Oct 2018

...(if we include "independent" Lowell Weiker) for twenty years before we elected Dan Malloy.

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
4. You can't tar every Republican with the same brush...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:57 AM
Oct 2018

It may be emotionally satisfying, but in order to campaign successfully, you have to look at voters as they are. Plenty of Cardin voters will vote for Hogan; plenty of Warren voters will vote for Baker. Not every Republican politician is a Trump supporter.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
5. Like that fucking Republican governor in Maryland.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:58 AM
Oct 2018

I don't care how "liberal" or how "good" a repig is. . . They are STILL repigs. . . . Fuck them and their entire goddamned party. I loathe ALL of them.

They all have an "R" behind their names, and they are ALL guilty simply by association.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
8. He's the Democratic candidate..
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:05 PM
Oct 2018

What policies or platform issues that he has expressed are so polarizing that you would vote for the Republican??

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
7. Jealous has yet to run any ads in the area
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:04 PM
Oct 2018

I have seen tons of ads from Hogan. He has to actually try to win, he can't win by just being a dem.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
14. No, but that is part of a campaign
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:11 PM
Oct 2018

I have gotten nothing by mail either. I plan on voting for Jealous because I can't stand Hogan, but you need to get written and visual material out so people know who is running. My guess is a lot of people don't even know who is running other than Hogan. And as full of sh*t as his ads are, they are effective.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
40. We are doomed if voters
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:06 PM
Oct 2018

are strictly dependent on smear adds for "information" on their candidates.. this country is spinning down that drain a lot quicker than I ever thought possible..

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
37. Here's Beto O'Rourke apparently thinking voters are dumbed down.....
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:04 PM
Oct 2018



...and here's Andrew Gillum...



..and here's Tony Evers...



...and here's Gretchen Whitmer...

at140

(6,110 posts)
52. Only the informed voter types are on DU
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 02:16 PM
Oct 2018

majority of voters can not name the 2 senators in their state! So TV Ads matter a lot.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
10. Local and state politics different from national and just because some
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:06 PM
Oct 2018

Democrats vote for a republican state candidate doesn't mean they are republican in nature. I have voted a few times for a republican governor because he was the BEST choice to vote for at the time.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
11. Jealous has not been a good campaigner
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:08 PM
Oct 2018

I'll be voting for him, but his campaign thus far has not inspired much confidence.

For example, he blurted out the F-word in an angry response to a reporter at a press conference. When asked about funding for his Medicare for All plan, he simply said the state accountants will calculate the costing when the time comes. I have seen very few campaign ads of his, either on TV or in the mail, while Hogan's are everywhere.

It's surprising how awkward Jealous has been on the campaign trail, considering how forcefully he spoke in support of the NAACP and for Bernie in the 2016 primaries.

At this point, I'm thinking Hogan wouldn't be so far ahead in the polls if Maryland Dems had chosen one of the many other candidates running in the primary.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
15. I was torn between Baker and Krish Vignarajah in the primary.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:14 PM
Oct 2018

Although I liked Krish better, I voted for Baker, thinking he had the better chance of beating Hogan.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
44. That's unfortunate..
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:13 PM
Oct 2018

I haven't followed the campaign much in Maryland (being in PA).. but I was always impressed by him when I saw him on the national stage.. it seems like such an easy pick up state for Dems - demographics & such

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
49. I was impressed with Jealous, too, when he was speaking for OTHER causes.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:56 PM
Oct 2018

NAACP, Bernie, etc. But it seems he doesn't do as well pleading HIS OWN case.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
12. Hogan is not a typical Republican
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:09 PM
Oct 2018

He is one of the last moderate Repubs. He is critical of Trump, supported a major public transit project, and not made drastic spending cuts. He even removed a statue of Roger Taney(the infamous Dred Scott judge) from the State Capitol. His public demeanor is low key and friendly.

Ben Jealous is a weak candidate. He has no prior government experience. He has good ideas, but it's not clear how he plans to pay for them and we already pay a lot of taxes here.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
29. Do you support Republicans??
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:55 PM
Oct 2018

I see plenty of posts bemoaning folks that don't support the Dems, particularly celebrities.. but the Dem electorate is left off the hook?? Interesting..

 

Haynx

(46 posts)
20. False headline. Delete this thread or edit it
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:21 PM
Oct 2018

Last edited Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:28 PM - Edit history (1)

You don’t say this is in Maryland only, and in one election only. Every person who saw your title thought that you referred to Democrats nationwide.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
30. Nice try.. no, it is VERY accurate
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:56 PM
Oct 2018

don't come after the messenger - the problem is the Dem voters of Maryland..

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
45. It's in the body, not doom & gloom..
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:18 PM
Oct 2018

nothing misleading - 35% of Democrats support the Republican in this race. it sucks... but it's the truth..

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
21. Well they are wrong to do that. Never trust a conservative and never believe a moderate
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:23 PM
Oct 2018

won't screw you over once they have the majority in the state senate. DO NOT vote for any Republican!!!!!!!!!

Obama endorsed Ben, and more voters should listen to him before its too late.



When much of America was watching Brett Kavanaugh's interview on Fox Newson Sept. 24, there was another important broadcast being aired: the Maryland gubernatorial debate, in which Democratic nominee Ben Jealous faced off with incumbent Republican Gov. Larry Hogan.

Ahead of the debate, polls showed Hogan with 64 percent job approval and a 22-point lead in the race. This debate, the only one scheduled when Jealous had requested as many as five, was an opportunity for him to share his story and vision, tying both to the state's future. At the same time, he had to try to reveal the sheep's clothing on the wolf who is Hogan.

Hogan has been defined by the mainstream media as a moderate. The Washington Post, for instance, has claimed that Hogan has "governed as a moderate," and ran a headline that called him "radically normal."

It's true that, in the era of Trumpian bombast, Hogan's message might seem moderated. And the Democratic supermajority in the Maryland legislature has moderated his actions. Some of the key reforms in Maryland from the past year, including paid sick leave and "banning the box," which prevents public colleges and universities from forcing applicants to provide information about their criminal histories, were passed over Hogan's veto.

But Hogan's actions will be far less moderate if Republican leaders succeed in their "Drive for Five" - their effort to gain five seats in the state Senate during the 2018 elections. The drive, which Hogan has championed and fundraised for, would eliminate the Democratic supermajority and give the GOP more power over judicial appointments and redistricting after the 2020 Census.

Without a veto-proof supermajority, Hogan's approach to policymaking would undoubtedly change. He is backed by wealthy special interests, accepting thousands of dollars from Koch Industries and tens of thousands from pharmaceutical companies. And he has benefited from a seven-figure attack-ad blitz by the Republican Governors Association.

This glossing-over of Hogan's conservatism has created a juggernaut against first-time candidate Jealous, who is, more and more, being left off lists of likely Democratic wins. Still, there is hope for Jealous. According to a recent Goucher poll, 26 percent of Marylanders said they could change their mind about who they will vote for.

https://www.newstimes.com/opinion/article/Don-t-count-out-Ben-Jealous-in-Maryland-13275024.php

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
36. The media is always complicit...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:04 PM
Oct 2018

look at the way they lauded Nikki Haleys resignation - moderate my ass..

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
46. The moderate label is pure propaganda.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:26 PM
Oct 2018

She also made it clear she is going to stump for him in 2020.

His agenda is to cut every benefit from the people who need it most and the msm call her a moderate?
Bullshit.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
24. There are a few races which will have less of an impact that others
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:47 PM
Oct 2018

The house and the senate are important. State houses and state senates are important. In FL, the gov is VERY important.

But I live in VT. It's likely that our Gov Scott will get re-elected. That does nothing to detract from the progressive politics of our state. I suppose Hallquist could win (IDK). But even if she doesn't - VT will remain VERY, VERY liberal.

Likewise, a Gov in MA who is a republican, does not change the character of the state. It's progressive.

I'm not advocating for either, just stating the facts. These states are 'blue.' They will send progressives to washington - and will vote along those lines.

I understand what you are saying. This is an important election. And it's important to vote for Democrats. But a few of those races aren't as telling - and don't fit into the model well.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
31. Republican Baker in Massachusetts
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:57 PM
Oct 2018

is up by a lot more than Hogan - I think he's up by 40 points in some polling. In a state where Democrats outnumber Republicans like 4 to 1 and Independents also bigly outnumber Republicans, that is a stunning margin.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
38. As blue a state as Massachusetts is
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:05 PM
Oct 2018

If Baker wins and serves his entire 4 years, the state will have had a Republican governor for 24 of the last 32 years, with only Deval Patrick's 8 year run interrupting the GOP. They had GOP governors from 1991 through 2007, then Patrick came in for his 8 years, and then it looks like Baker will serve through at least 2023 if he wins again.

Connecticut is not far different

They had Republican turned independent Lowell Weicker from 1991-95; then Republican John Rowland from 95-04, then Jodi Rell from 04-11 and finally have had Democrat Dan Malloy 2011-18. Right now, it's a tight race to replace the unpopular Malloy - Democrat Ned Lamont and Republican Bob Stefanowski. The Republicans have a huge amount of outside money coming in to the race.

elleng

(130,931 posts)
67. Yes, it's a big margin. Feels like MA and MD are similar,
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 03:05 PM
Oct 2018

in this matter; have both switched between Dem and Repub governors (in recent years.)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
34. It's disappointing, but not at "outrage" level.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:59 PM
Oct 2018
Most troubling for Jealous is that Hogan is winning 35 percent of Democrats.
It tells me that Ben Jealous probably wasn't the best candidate to go up against a centrist and generally well-liked and non-controversial and non-Trump-loving Republican governor.

This is AMAZING... It seems like "blue no matter who" is on a case by case basis
It's frustrating. I'd say that's always the case. I'm not seeing anything unique or shocking about it this time.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
35. Not particularly surprising
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:02 PM
Oct 2018

Maryland is a an overwhelmingly Democratic state but Hogan is a popular governor. Same with Massachusetts--another overwhelmingly Democratic state and the GOP Governor there is hugely popular and will be easily re-elected.

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
39. This cautionary (panic note) doesn't not apply across the board
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:06 PM
Oct 2018

Maryland and Massachusetts have two very popular Republican Governors who are not the same as the Republicans in Congress and both states are progressive in nature. In fact, Baker in Massachusetts is one the most popular Governors in the country.

So no. I don't think this is troubling. Not all races are alike and the Democratic challengers had a very steep climb from the start, pushing against incumbents who their constituents like and are willing to give a second nod to.

No sense creating crisis where there is none.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
41. I just don't like the hypocrisy..
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:09 PM
Oct 2018

you can't give a pass on one hand and lambast a states voters on the other hand when it doesn't please you..

not directed at you

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
48. Just another case of the uninformed masses voting against their self interest.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:39 PM
Oct 2018

There's no logical reason why a Democrat would vote for any Repug.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
56. I'm just going to say this. If you vote for any rapeublican, anywhere, at any time,
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 02:41 PM
Oct 2018

You are NOT a real Democrat.

elleng

(130,931 posts)
63. About the Maryland legislature:
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 02:57 PM
Oct 2018

The Maryland General Assembly is the state legislature of the U.S. state of Maryland that convenes within the State House in Annapolis. It is a bicameral body: the upper chamber, the Maryland State Senate, has 47 representatives and the lower chamber, the Maryland House of Delegates, has 141 representatives. Wikipedia

Speaker of the House of Delegates: Michael E. Busch (D); Since January 8, 2003
House Majority Leader: William Frick (D); Since January 20, 2017
Senate Majority Leader: Katherine A. Klausmeier (D); Since December 6, 2016
President of the Senate: Thomas V. Mike Miller, Jr. (D); Since 1987

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