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Does anyone else think this is troubling?? Seriously, where is the outrage?? I looked around but didn't see this posted.. is DU missing out on a serious issue here???
"despite the fact that Democrats outnumber Republicans by a two-to-one margin in the state. On Tuesday, a Washington Post/University of Maryland poll found that Jealous is trailing Hogan by 20 points58 percent to 38 percent. Most troubling for Jealous is that Hogan is winning 35 percent of Democrats."
[link:https://newrepublic.com/minutes/151653/third-maryland-democrats-backing-republican-governor|
]https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/gov-larry-hogan-leads-democrat-ben-jealous-by-20-points-post-u-md-poll-finds/2018/10/09/c1d23f40-cb40-11e8-a360-85875bac0b1f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c673a6dee065&wpisrc=al_local_politics__alert-local-politics&wpmk=1
This is AMAZING... It seems like "blue no matter who" is on a case by case basis
update;
[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211286790|
Javaman
(62,530 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)brush
(53,782 posts)elleng
(130,931 posts)'The more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation.'
The Maryland state legislature is BLUE.
The Maryland General Assembly is the state legislature of the U.S. state of Maryland that convenes within the State House in Annapolis. It is a bicameral body: the upper chamber, the Maryland State Senate, has 47 representatives and the lower chamber, the Maryland House of Delegates, has 141 representatives. Wikipedia
Speaker of the House of Delegates: Michael E. Busch (D); Since January 8, 2003
House Majority Leader: William Frick (D); Since January 20, 2017
Senate Majority Leader: Katherine A. Klausmeier (D); Since December 6, 2016
President of the Senate: Thomas V. Mike Miller, Jr. (D); Since 1987
brush
(53,782 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)And never forget that while Chris Christie was still posing as a "moderate" he easily won reelection in heavily Democratic NJ. Democratic voters tend to be more open minded about considering the merits of individuals running for office rather than just their party identification. It must be noted that Hogan is NOT a big Trump backer.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)I don't want to get into it on the Maryland thread but I believe it to be a proxy argument that if Democrats can support a good Republican over a Democrat then they have to shut up about Bernie not being a Democrat.
I have always found something odd about Jealous. Patronizing, sneering, can't put my finger on it but not surprised he is failing.
Hope everything is well
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)Yeah, there may be some veiled proxy arguments going on but I have no interest in them. There is a larger pattern of "moderate" Republicans being elected governors of Blue States. Happened in Vermont also. I don't know much about Jealous personally but any Democrat nominated faced an uphill battle from what I can understand. Hogan is pretty damn popular in MD it seems.
George II
(67,782 posts)...(if we include "independent" Lowell Weiker) for twenty years before we elected Dan Malloy.
elleng
(130,931 posts)brooklynite
(94,581 posts)It may be emotionally satisfying, but in order to campaign successfully, you have to look at voters as they are. Plenty of Cardin voters will vote for Hogan; plenty of Warren voters will vote for Baker. Not every Republican politician is a Trump supporter.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)I don't care how "liberal" or how "good" a repig is. . . They are STILL repigs. . . . Fuck them and their entire goddamned party. I loathe ALL of them.
They all have an "R" behind their names, and they are ALL guilty simply by association.
Guppy
(444 posts)is a bad candidate. He is too polarizing. You need the right candidate for your state.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)What policies or platform issues that he has expressed are so polarizing that you would vote for the Republican??
gabeana
(3,166 posts)elleng
(130,931 posts)just not dramatic enough to attract much attention, imo.
MiniMe
(21,716 posts)I have seen tons of ads from Hogan. He has to actually try to win, he can't win by just being a dem.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)are they that dumbed down??
MiniMe
(21,716 posts)I have gotten nothing by mail either. I plan on voting for Jealous because I can't stand Hogan, but you need to get written and visual material out so people know who is running. My guess is a lot of people don't even know who is running other than Hogan. And as full of sh*t as his ads are, they are effective.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)are strictly dependent on smear adds for "information" on their candidates.. this country is spinning down that drain a lot quicker than I ever thought possible..
brooklynite
(94,581 posts)Link to tweet
...and here's Andrew Gillum...
..and here's Tony Evers...
...and here's Gretchen Whitmer...
at140
(6,110 posts)majority of voters can not name the 2 senators in their state! So TV Ads matter a lot.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Democrats vote for a republican state candidate doesn't mean they are republican in nature. I have voted a few times for a republican governor because he was the BEST choice to vote for at the time.
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)I'll be voting for him, but his campaign thus far has not inspired much confidence.
For example, he blurted out the F-word in an angry response to a reporter at a press conference. When asked about funding for his Medicare for All plan, he simply said the state accountants will calculate the costing when the time comes. I have seen very few campaign ads of his, either on TV or in the mail, while Hogan's are everywhere.
It's surprising how awkward Jealous has been on the campaign trail, considering how forcefully he spoke in support of the NAACP and for Bernie in the 2016 primaries.
At this point, I'm thinking Hogan wouldn't be so far ahead in the polls if Maryland Dems had chosen one of the many other candidates running in the primary.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But I thought Rushern Baker had the best shot.
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)Although I liked Krish better, I voted for Baker, thinking he had the better chance of beating Hogan.
elleng
(130,931 posts)hard for one to stand out.
Me.
(35,454 posts)who would trust that
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)I haven't followed the campaign much in Maryland (being in PA).. but I was always impressed by him when I saw him on the national stage.. it seems like such an easy pick up state for Dems - demographics & such
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)NAACP, Bernie, etc. But it seems he doesn't do as well pleading HIS OWN case.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)He is one of the last moderate Repubs. He is critical of Trump, supported a major public transit project, and not made drastic spending cuts. He even removed a statue of Roger Taney(the infamous Dred Scott judge) from the State Capitol. His public demeanor is low key and friendly.
Ben Jealous is a weak candidate. He has no prior government experience. He has good ideas, but it's not clear how he plans to pay for them and we already pay a lot of taxes here.
pwb
(11,275 posts)It's a whole different ball game nationally.
RandySF
(58,874 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)I see plenty of posts bemoaning folks that don't support the Dems, particularly celebrities.. but the Dem electorate is left off the hook?? Interesting..
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)Stop shoving words into other peoples mouths.
Cha
(297,265 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(145,289 posts)Haynx
(46 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:28 PM - Edit history (1)
You dont say this is in Maryland only, and in one election only. Every person who saw your title thought that you referred to Democrats nationwide.
dmr
(28,347 posts)I don't believe it either.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)don't come after the messenger - the problem is the Dem voters of Maryland..
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)And wrongfully doom and gloom.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)nothing misleading - 35% of Democrats support the Republican in this race. it sucks... but it's the truth..
Haynx
(46 posts)But why isnt it in the headline?
elleng
(130,931 posts)Cha
(297,265 posts)deceiving.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)won't screw you over once they have the majority in the state senate. DO NOT vote for any Republican!!!!!!!!!
Obama endorsed Ben, and more voters should listen to him before its too late.
When much of America was watching Brett Kavanaugh's interview on Fox Newson Sept. 24, there was another important broadcast being aired: the Maryland gubernatorial debate, in which Democratic nominee Ben Jealous faced off with incumbent Republican Gov. Larry Hogan.
Ahead of the debate, polls showed Hogan with 64 percent job approval and a 22-point lead in the race. This debate, the only one scheduled when Jealous had requested as many as five, was an opportunity for him to share his story and vision, tying both to the state's future. At the same time, he had to try to reveal the sheep's clothing on the wolf who is Hogan.
Hogan has been defined by the mainstream media as a moderate. The Washington Post, for instance, has claimed that Hogan has "governed as a moderate," and ran a headline that called him "radically normal."
It's true that, in the era of Trumpian bombast, Hogan's message might seem moderated. And the Democratic supermajority in the Maryland legislature has moderated his actions. Some of the key reforms in Maryland from the past year, including paid sick leave and "banning the box," which prevents public colleges and universities from forcing applicants to provide information about their criminal histories, were passed over Hogan's veto.
But Hogan's actions will be far less moderate if Republican leaders succeed in their "Drive for Five" - their effort to gain five seats in the state Senate during the 2018 elections. The drive, which Hogan has championed and fundraised for, would eliminate the Democratic supermajority and give the GOP more power over judicial appointments and redistricting after the 2020 Census.
Without a veto-proof supermajority, Hogan's approach to policymaking would undoubtedly change. He is backed by wealthy special interests, accepting thousands of dollars from Koch Industries and tens of thousands from pharmaceutical companies. And he has benefited from a seven-figure attack-ad blitz by the Republican Governors Association.
This glossing-over of Hogan's conservatism has created a juggernaut against first-time candidate Jealous, who is, more and more, being left off lists of likely Democratic wins. Still, there is hope for Jealous. According to a recent Goucher poll, 26 percent of Marylanders said they could change their mind about who they will vote for.
https://www.newstimes.com/opinion/article/Don-t-count-out-Ben-Jealous-in-Maryland-13275024.php
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)look at the way they lauded Nikki Haleys resignation - moderate my ass..
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)She also made it clear she is going to stump for him in 2020.
His agenda is to cut every benefit from the people who need it most and the msm call her a moderate?
Bullshit.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)janterry
(4,429 posts)n/t
janterry
(4,429 posts)The house and the senate are important. State houses and state senates are important. In FL, the gov is VERY important.
But I live in VT. It's likely that our Gov Scott will get re-elected. That does nothing to detract from the progressive politics of our state. I suppose Hallquist could win (IDK). But even if she doesn't - VT will remain VERY, VERY liberal.
Likewise, a Gov in MA who is a republican, does not change the character of the state. It's progressive.
I'm not advocating for either, just stating the facts. These states are 'blue.' They will send progressives to washington - and will vote along those lines.
I understand what you are saying. This is an important election. And it's important to vote for Democrats. But a few of those races aren't as telling - and don't fit into the model well.
lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)sounds like a bot.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)you forget russian bot..
elleng
(130,931 posts)and should SAY so.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)is up by a lot more than Hogan - I think he's up by 40 points in some polling. In a state where Democrats outnumber Republicans like 4 to 1 and Independents also bigly outnumber Republicans, that is a stunning margin.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)that is so pathetic, sad really..
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)If Baker wins and serves his entire 4 years, the state will have had a Republican governor for 24 of the last 32 years, with only Deval Patrick's 8 year run interrupting the GOP. They had GOP governors from 1991 through 2007, then Patrick came in for his 8 years, and then it looks like Baker will serve through at least 2023 if he wins again.
Connecticut is not far different
They had Republican turned independent Lowell Weicker from 1991-95; then Republican John Rowland from 95-04, then Jodi Rell from 04-11 and finally have had Democrat Dan Malloy 2011-18. Right now, it's a tight race to replace the unpopular Malloy - Democrat Ned Lamont and Republican Bob Stefanowski. The Republicans have a huge amount of outside money coming in to the race.
Cha
(297,265 posts)elleng
(130,931 posts)in this matter; have both switched between Dem and Repub governors (in recent years.)
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Gothmog
(145,289 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)Maryland is a an overwhelmingly Democratic state but Hogan is a popular governor. Same with Massachusetts--another overwhelmingly Democratic state and the GOP Governor there is hugely popular and will be easily re-elected.
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)Maryland and Massachusetts have two very popular Republican Governors who are not the same as the Republicans in Congress and both states are progressive in nature. In fact, Baker in Massachusetts is one the most popular Governors in the country.
So no. I don't think this is troubling. Not all races are alike and the Democratic challengers had a very steep climb from the start, pushing against incumbents who their constituents like and are willing to give a second nod to.
No sense creating crisis where there is none.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)you can't give a pass on one hand and lambast a states voters on the other hand when it doesn't please you..
not directed at you
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)There's no logical reason why a Democrat would vote for any Repug.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)dlk
(11,566 posts)onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)You are NOT a real Democrat.
elleng
(130,931 posts)The Maryland General Assembly is the state legislature of the U.S. state of Maryland that convenes within the State House in Annapolis. It is a bicameral body: the upper chamber, the Maryland State Senate, has 47 representatives and the lower chamber, the Maryland House of Delegates, has 141 representatives. Wikipedia
Speaker of the House of Delegates: Michael E. Busch (D); Since January 8, 2003
House Majority Leader: William Frick (D); Since January 20, 2017
Senate Majority Leader: Katherine A. Klausmeier (D); Since December 6, 2016
President of the Senate: Thomas V. Mike Miller, Jr. (D); Since 1987
JI7
(89,250 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211286790|
I am hoping that Maryland could be a surprise come November..