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(52,243 posts)
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 03:57 PM Oct 2018

long rates are rising and stocks are tanking. timing couldn't be worse for donnie.

donnie is an historically unpopular president.

the one thing that has been enabling the media to portray him as someone the country can tolerate is that the economy and the financial markets have been doing well, despite donnie's penchant for delivering the occasional heart attack via tweet.


but long rates finally started rising recently, and the sentiment seems to be that this may be the start of a secular shift -- the beginning of a long and steady march toward substantially higher long-term rates, as opposed to the historically low rates we've had for over a decade.

this shift in long-term rates has a host of negative implications for the stock market.

first, stock valuations are compared to a discount rate which will now be projected to be higher. so stock valuations across the board will be lower given higher interest rates.

second, stocks have been performing well in part due to lack of investment competition. bonds paying tiny interest rates are safe, but hardly appealing. now that bond interest rates may soon start to have meaningful payouts, people might take money out of stocks and put them into debt. this means lower demand for stocks, ergo, lower prices.

third, companies will face more expensive borrowing, which directly hurts their profitability, reducing their upside and increasing their risk of complete failure.


this is coming about just one month before the election. if this shift in expectations of future interest rates continues throughout october and into november, it could mean more headline bad news for the stock market going right into the midterms.

it could turn make democratic gains, already expected to be huge, even larger.

hell, we might even win the senate!

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long rates are rising and stocks are tanking. timing couldn't be worse for donnie. (Original Post) unblock Oct 2018 OP
i notice he hasn't been hyping the stock market as much lately 0rganism Oct 2018 #1
yeah, they'll keep quiet about it. they don't want "bear market" talk going into november.... unblock Oct 2018 #3
Food for thought----- Wellstone ruled Oct 2018 #2
Gas prices are up, too. lindysalsagal Oct 2018 #4
yeah, iran sanctions and such. oil prices up, gas prices up. unblock Oct 2018 #5
All bills have gone up CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #6
Honestly, most people who watch the stock market are probably still pleased with performance Hoyt Oct 2018 #7
yeah, i don't think this will change the politics just yet. unblock Oct 2018 #8

0rganism

(23,955 posts)
1. i notice he hasn't been hyping the stock market as much lately
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:00 PM
Oct 2018

i remember even when the Dow was basically flat, if it picked up 2 points him and every one of his surrogates (they are legion) would loudly proclaim the new & improved record-setting scores. where are they now?

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. Food for thought-----
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:12 PM
Oct 2018

most IRA's and 401's have lost from6-10% since January. Just opened my IRA monthly. Friggin ugly to say the least. If what I see is some what the norm. All those Trumper greedy geezers just got their lunch handed to them.

unblock

(52,243 posts)
5. yeah, iran sanctions and such. oil prices up, gas prices up.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:17 PM
Oct 2018

mortage rates up.

more bad news for consumers, which also means bad news for the stock market.


i'm not rooting for more bad news, but if it does continue, people will be even more inclined to punish donnie at the polls.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
6. All bills have gone up
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:31 PM
Oct 2018

Server +5
Water bill - +25
Garbage bill +20
Basic cable + 15
Prop. ins. +100/yr.
Other ins. +100/yr.

Does not include food etc. inc. gasoline. & caring for 3 cats

Broke.



 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Honestly, most people who watch the stock market are probably still pleased with performance
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:32 PM
Oct 2018

under trump. Heck, most of us -- including me -- expected the economy to tank the moment he took office.

Right or wrong, Consumer Confidence is very good right now, and decent jobs are relatively easy to find for those with some skills. Obama is likely responsible for that, but I doubt most people know or care.

Unless something really ugly happens, don't think many voters will be swayed by a stock market falling a bit during a period of rising interest rates.

On the other hand, GOPers have to be careful not to declare everything is great when headlines are about a falling market. But, as we've seen with big market drops, there might be big increases in the next few days or weeks.

unblock

(52,243 posts)
8. yeah, i don't think this will change the politics just yet.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:39 PM
Oct 2018

the markets could well quiet down and it will stay out of the political news. the idea of it having a notable negative impact on republicans in november depends on the bad news continuing during the next four weeks.


minor bad for republicans is if the market drifts away from record highs that donnie can no longer tout that the market is hitting record highs. well, he'll say it anyway, but it will have somewhat less of an impact if it isn't true.

medium bad for republicans is if the market become more volatile without going down much. that keeps it in the headlines, but not in a way republicans can talk about.

major bad for republicans is if the market really goes down and headlines are full of "bear market" talk. that could be a disaster for republicans in november.

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