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eridani

(51,907 posts) Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:35 PM Aug 2012

Tell Obama and Congress: No Compromise on Social Security and Medicare

http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6464

The Romney-Ryan platform includes big cuts to Social Security and Medicare. But here's something President Obama told the New York Times last week:

"He particularly believes that Democrats do not receive enough credit for their willingness to accept cuts in Medicare and Social Security."

It's time we asked the President and every member of Congress to commit to not cutting a dime from Medicare or Social Security.

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Tell Obama and Congress: No Compromise on Social Security and Medicare (Original Post) eridani Aug 2012 OP

Rec'd TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #1

But Obama NEVER said that he's willing to cut Social Security and Medicare! MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #2

LOL. woo me with science Aug 2012 #5

lol leftstreet Aug 2012 #6

HUGE DU Rec. We need to make this a constant issue in the campaign. woo me with science Aug 2012 #3

Cool, let's make ProSense Aug 2012 #4

It's not a direct quote SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #11

And where do the Social Security cuts come from MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #16

As regarding to Obama, see below for the FACTS Tx4obama Aug 2012 #7

Obama requested that the eligibility age for Medicare be increased by two years. MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #8

FACTS here: AARP, the seniors’ lobby and chief gatekeeper of Medicare benefits ENDORSED Obama Plan SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #9

Do they also approve of raising the eligibility age to 67? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #10

They sell insurance--what else do you need to know? n/t eridani Aug 2012 #12

excuse me? SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #13

They sell Medicare Advantage plans. 'Nuff said n/t eridani Aug 2012 #14

No it isn't enough said ACA didn't cut Medicare to BENEFICIARIES SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #15

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)

1. Rec'd

Reply to eridani (Original post)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:36 PM

Aug 2012

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)

2. But Obama NEVER said that he's willing to cut Social Security and Medicare!

Reply to eridani (Original post)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:42 PM

Aug 2012

You're creating a straw man. You're reading things into his words. You're parsing his words.

What he really meant by those words is that he'll NEVER cut ANY fundamental social programs never ever.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)

5. LOL.

Reply to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:53 PM

Aug 2012

You beat it by eight minutes.

leftstreet

(36,111 posts)

6. lol

Reply to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:55 PM

Aug 2012

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)

3. HUGE DU Rec. We need to make this a constant issue in the campaign.

Reply to eridani (Original post)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:43 PM

Aug 2012

There should be MASSIVE protests everywhere Ryan and Romney go, because they represent nothing short of a war on the people.

And it is just as important to be at every Obama event, to pin him down publicly, and force him to make a stand on opposing austerity and not cutting safety nets. Nothing like the Grand Bargain, ever again. If he is going to run as a champion of the people, he needs to vow to do that in specifics.

We have had enough. It is time for the people to make clear loudly, forcefully, and continually that we will not accept a war on us from those who are supposed to represent us.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)

4. Cool, let's make

Reply to eridani (Original post)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:50 PM

Aug 2012

"Tell Obama and Congress: No Compromise on Social Security and Medicare"

...the demand, but that is not a direct quote. In fact, it editorializing and completely without context.

"He particularly believes that Democrats do not receive enough credit for their willingness to accept cuts in Medicare and Social Security."

Everyone know that the the cuts the President proposed are not to benefits, but rather to wasteful spending.

Wasserman Schultz: ‘Obamacare’ Added 8 Years To Life Of Medicare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021118796

Howard Dean: "You Can't Convince People That A Dem Is Going To Cut Medicare"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021120987

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)

11. It's not a direct quote

Reply to ProSense (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:09 PM

Aug 2012

and anyone viewing that critically can see that.

Here is where the editorializing came from. It is the authors "He believes"

As president, however, he has come to believe the news media have had a role in frustrating his ambitions to change the terms of the country’s political discussion. He particularly believes that Democrats do not receive enough credit for their willingness to accept cuts in Medicare and Social Security, while Republicans oppose almost any tax increase to reduce the deficit.

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)

16. And where do the Social Security cuts come from

Reply to ProSense (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:34 PM

Aug 2012

That Obama never ever said he's willing to do?

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)

7. As regarding to Obama, see below for the FACTS

Reply to eridani (Original post)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:58 PM

Aug 2012

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)

8. Obama requested that the eligibility age for Medicare be increased by two years.

Reply to Tx4obama (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:01 PM

Aug 2012

What'ya got to say about Social Security?

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)

9. FACTS here: AARP, the seniors’ lobby and chief gatekeeper of Medicare benefits ENDORSED Obama Plan

Reply to eridani (Original post)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:05 PM

Aug 2012

The Medicare cuts, passed in the Affordable Care Act, come in the form of reimbursement reductions to hospitals, Medicaid prescription drugs and supplemental private insurance plans under Medicare Advantage. The Congressional Budget Office projects that they’ll extend the solvency of Medicare by eight years.

AARP, the seniors’ lobby and chief gatekeeper of Medicare benefits, endorsed the Affordable Care Act despite its cuts, arguing that they wouldn’t affect seniors’ access to care. The law expanded benefits by closing the prescription drug coverage gap known as the “doughnut hole.” The hospital and drug industries also endorsed the legislation, believing that the additional customers via the coverage expansion would more than make up for the cuts.

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The Congressional Budget Office projects that Ryan’s plan would raise seniors’ out-of-pocket expenses by $6,500 per year.

Obama’s long-term plan to save Medicare, approved under the Affordable Care Act, is to set up a panel of 15 Senate-confirmed experts tasked with issuing proposals to rein in the growth of spending if it exceeds a certain level. The Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB, may only propose cuts to providers, not beneficiaries. Congress may replace the cuts by passing its own or with a three-fifths super-majority.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/difference-between-paul-ryan-barack-obama-medicare.php?ref=fpa

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)

10. Do they also approve of raising the eligibility age to 67? nt

Reply to SunsetDreams (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:08 PM

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eridani

(51,907 posts)

12. They sell insurance--what else do you need to know? n/t

Reply to SunsetDreams (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:13 PM

Aug 2012

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)

13. excuse me?

Reply to eridani (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:17 PM

Aug 2012

The Medicare cuts, passed in the Affordable Care Act, come in the form of reimbursement reductions to hospitals, Medicaid prescription drugs and supplemental private insurance plans under Medicare Advantage. The Congressional Budget Office projects that they’ll extend the solvency of Medicare by eight years.

Yes there were cuts, it was in the reimbursements to INSURANCE PROVIDERS, hospitals, and reimbursements to drug companies. It had nothing to do with beneficiary cuts.

eridani

(51,907 posts)

14. They sell Medicare Advantage plans. 'Nuff said n/t

Reply to SunsetDreams (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:20 PM

Aug 2012

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)

15. No it isn't enough said ACA didn't cut Medicare to BENEFICIARIES

Reply to eridani (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:21 PM

Aug 2012

It cut reimbursements to PROVIDERS, PERIOD.

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