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Stinky The Clown

(67,800 posts)
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:19 PM Oct 2018

I don't believe the senate polls for Texas or Tennessee.

I am not as sure about Nevada or Missouri but still think they're very competitive.

I suspect North Dakota, showing Heitkamp down substantially, is closer to accurate.

The worst thing we can do is succumb to electoral despair.

WE ARE THE MAJORITY almost everywhere in this country. We need to keep that in mind and act like it.

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I don't believe the senate polls for Texas or Tennessee. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 OP
Amen, Stinky. gademocrat7 Oct 2018 #1
Georgia should be ours, too, but I fear Kemp's skilled chicanery. Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 #3
Skilled equals crooked? dchill Oct 2018 #6
For those two, its an art form. Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 #7
Maybe, but they don't win if they don't cheat. dchill Oct 2018 #9
Is there a basis for this assessment? brooklynite Oct 2018 #2
Are we the majority of people who actually vote? manor321 Oct 2018 #4
We were in 2016. We were in 2012. We were in 2008. We were in 2004. We were in 2000. We were 1996. Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 #5
majority nationally but not in every state JI7 Oct 2018 #10
I have a question. former9thward Oct 2018 #14
We can't cherry picks the polls Blueman13 Oct 2018 #8
Blackheart is not liked. There was a slight Kavanaugh bump but redstateblues Oct 2018 #15
I hope so Blueman13 Oct 2018 #16
Texas polling is all "likely voters" a/k/a voted in last TWO elections. Zen Democrat Oct 2018 #11
Agreed. Beto will bring lots of first-time voters to the polls. Qutzupalotl Oct 2018 #13
I was down @UT Austin today visiting the kiddo today and Beto signs onetexan Oct 2018 #23
That isn't how a likely voter screen works FBaggins Oct 2018 #24
30% turnout of which only 13% were Dems... See how JCMach1 Oct 2018 #29
I'm on the ground in TN. I definitely don't believe the NY Times poll redstateblues Oct 2018 #12
I think voters are Leaning Dem but big pac funding is monumental peacebuzzard Oct 2018 #21
I don't believe them either vercetti2021 Oct 2018 #17
Don't wait. cannabis_flower Oct 2018 #19
First day I can I'm taking all my friends vercetti2021 Oct 2018 #20
Bredesen has dropped 9 people since he backed kavanaugh, I believe that krawhitham Oct 2018 #18
VOTE, VOTE, VOTE! Nitram Oct 2018 #22
Remember when Repulblicans cant win they cheat INdemo Oct 2018 #25
I do believe the polls in Texas. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2018 #26
2028 is probably still too early Awsi Dooger Oct 2018 #27
Maybe purple by then, blue is probably optimistic Pope George Ringo II Oct 2018 #30
How can polls be reliable in the mass mobile phone era? Buckeyeblue Oct 2018 #28
A good night for us is winning the House and mitigating our losses in the Senate. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #31
Hope you are correct Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #32

Stinky The Clown

(67,800 posts)
5. We were in 2016. We were in 2012. We were in 2008. We were in 2004. We were in 2000. We were 1996.
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:33 PM
Oct 2018

We were in 1992.

Sure we got cheated in a few, but we WERE and ARE the MAJORITY.

Any questions?

former9thward

(32,012 posts)
14. I have a question.
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 10:00 PM
Oct 2018

How are you making those assumptions? By Presidential vote? By vote for the House? If it is either of those I would wonder where you are getting your numbers.

 

Blueman13

(34 posts)
8. We can't cherry picks the polls
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:35 PM
Oct 2018

The Republicans looked really bad after 2012 by trying to (unskew) the polls. Remember the infamous unskewedpolls.com or something like that? Texas, Tennessee and North Dakota are just very red states. Each one of them is even redder than the next. All we need to do is GET OUT THE VOTE and hope for the best. Phil Bredesen is the best -- and only -- Democratic candidate that has a chance in Tennessee. He won every single county in Tennessee when he ran for re-election as Governor but that was back in 2006. Look at how he is struggling against a really weak candidate in Marsha Blackburn. There are probably just was too many conservatives in Tennessee now to overcome the Democratic, independent, and even moderate Republican support he is getting. I am still holding out tiny bit of hope in this race though.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
15. Blackheart is not liked. There was a slight Kavanaugh bump but
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 10:02 PM
Oct 2018

I still believe Bredesen can win. Just like when he was elected Governor he needed Republican votes. It may be anecdotal, but I know some staunch Republicans who are voting for him. Hopefully it will be enough.

 

Blueman13

(34 posts)
16. I hope so
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 10:13 PM
Oct 2018

I was in Nashville a couple times this summer and moderate Republicans LOVE HIM. Nashville would not be the city it is today without him. As you know redstateblues, he brought the Titans, Predators, Nissan and VW to that city. He completely resurrected Nashville while he was Mayor and Governor. Central Tennessee owes a lot to him. The rural areas will not remain loyal to him, but hopefully he can run up the score in Nashville and Memphis. I always thought this race would be close and I continue to believe that, but I can't believe how he has been hurt by Kavanaugh. I think and hope he can still recover.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
11. Texas polling is all "likely voters" a/k/a voted in last TWO elections.
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:45 PM
Oct 2018

Obviously that oversamples Republicans. Texas has a staggering number of new registrations this year. No poll can capture that.

Qutzupalotl

(14,313 posts)
13. Agreed. Beto will bring lots of first-time voters to the polls.
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:58 PM
Oct 2018

There's also the enthusiasm gap. For Cruz, it's tepid at best.

onetexan

(13,041 posts)
23. I was down @UT Austin today visiting the kiddo today and Beto signs
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 10:56 PM
Oct 2018

Are everywhere. Bumper stickers as well. The young people are fired up. Kiddo tells me Beto has stirred up alot of excitement and they are raring to cast their vote. First day of early voting for Tx is 22nd.

FBaggins

(26,742 posts)
24. That isn't how a likely voter screen works
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 11:19 PM
Oct 2018

There are several questions that get asked that combine to evaluate likelihood.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
12. I'm on the ground in TN. I definitely don't believe the NY Times poll
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:57 PM
Oct 2018

I do think there was a slight Kavanaugh bump but it is already fading

peacebuzzard

(5,174 posts)
21. I think voters are Leaning Dem but big pac funding is monumental
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 10:30 PM
Oct 2018

Lots of Dem yard signs, but a huge billboard in my neighborhood was funded
For the creepy mini me orangeturd Martin Daniels, house rep. Renee Hoyos has great support, she would be phenomenal as a house rep and has great issues for health care, she is sharp.
Hoping for the best for Hoyos. Bredesen is a great fighting chance, IMO.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
17. I don't believe them either
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 10:18 PM
Oct 2018

I'm on the ground in Texas. I see Beto with all the enthusiasm and that CNN town hall is nothing but going to help him and show how Cruz is a big chicken.

Stop believing the polls and wait until the 6th. VOTE!

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
25. Remember when Repulblicans cant win they cheat
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 11:54 PM
Oct 2018

well if Republicans can get these fake polls to the public and voters believe them and then decide ..what the hell no sense voting,iits already decided, this is the Republican way...and strategy

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
26. I do believe the polls in Texas.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 12:06 AM
Oct 2018

I see Beto signs everywhere, and I see absolute forests of assorted GOP signs, but I don't see many Ted Cruz signs. The frank truth is that almost nobody wants to vote for Ted Cruz. Nobody wants to admit they're voting for Ted Cruz, either. But in this state, enough people will go in the booth and vote straight-ticket GOP and tell themselves, "I didn't vote for Ted Cruz, I just voted Republican" that he's probably going to win again.

It's not a sane state, so that's no knock on Beto. He's an awesome guy running against a complete slimeball, and he's virtually the only candidate for statewide office with a real shot at winning, even in the Trump era. I just think there are too many dumbass old white rednecks in Texas for a decent human being to win in less than a perfect storm. This is probably that storm, so it's still possible. And the worst-case scenario is that he caused the GOP to spend stupid amounts of money defending a seat which should never have been anywhere near in play, given an even marginally functional human being in the seat.

I tend to expect the state to be genuinely purple somewhere around 2028 or so. Anything before that is pure gravy. I'd take it, but I'm not counting on it and I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
27. 2028 is probably still too early
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 12:58 AM
Oct 2018

Texas does not have a particularly old voting population. Only 15% in the 2016 exit poll were 65+, compared to 16% nationally.

I don't mean to be morbid about this but our prospects are best in states with the heavily red Silent Generation born 1928-1945 comprising a huge portion of the state's demographics. Arizona is light years the most logical next state to flip because not only are the younger voters 30-44 already voting Democratic in that state (47-41 Hillary in Arizona compared to 48-45 for Trump in Texas), but Arizona has 25% of its electorate at 65 and older.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
30. Maybe purple by then, blue is probably optimistic
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 09:43 AM
Oct 2018

Given the increasing minority population and the influx from other states, I don't think it's out of the question. It's definitely one of those things which has been about to happen for so long that it's reasonable to wonder if it will ever actually happen.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
28. How can polls be reliable in the mass mobile phone era?
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 08:42 AM
Oct 2018

I don't answer calls if I don't know who they are from. I don't know anyone else who does. So how do these polls get a reliable sample?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
31. A good night for us is winning the House and mitigating our losses in the Senate.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 09:48 AM
Oct 2018

Median outcome

House - 225 D
Senate 48 D

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