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So Trump and Jared are talking to MBS to get the story straight? (Original Post) Kajun Gal Oct 2018 OP
Trying to figure out how much additional money and favors they should ask for Freethinker65 Oct 2018 #1
Right. The other alternative is to say, "Great guy, that Erdogan." Igel Oct 2018 #2

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2. Right. The other alternative is to say, "Great guy, that Erdogan."
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 08:31 PM
Oct 2018

Basically we're saying his security apparatus is 100% trustworthy, no proof needed; this makes me moderately uncomfortable. Considering their relations with Arabia, I wouldn't put past Erdogan having Kashoggi killed by Turkish forces, the tape faked, and then Sa'udiyya accused. For Erdogan, Islamist himself, Arabia is the funder of all the groups he hates and fears.

Then again, that sounds like defending Sa'udiyya. It's not, but in a "you're either with us or our dire enemy" sort of world, "not a defense" is far from being an attack and so it's wrongly assumed to entail support.

I don't see any need to accuse or defend either side since I haven't heard anybody say anything I think of as a fact. Accusation, sure. Claim, absolutely. But all the "facts" have, so far at least, one source, and I don't trust the source--at least not yet.

How to balance Russia and Iran, Iran and Sa'udiyya, Kurds and Syria ... Tough calculations for Erdogan.

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