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Wow (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 OP
K&R uponit7771 Oct 2018 #1
There's only one thing to do gratuitous Oct 2018 #2
Huh? DownriverDem Oct 2018 #10
Sarcasm alert volstork Oct 2018 #13
I knew it when I saw it! True Dough Oct 2018 #26
You can't see when you don't look. Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #28
Or blinded by Faux Nooz volstork Oct 2018 #34
Kick GemDigger Oct 2018 #3
Wow, all right. Thanks. Hortensis Oct 2018 #4
Why corps need, like Amazon, to raise wages. jalan48 Oct 2018 #5
Weren't they just caught on tape yesterday violating right to organize laws? Oppaloopa Oct 2018 #20
I wouldn't doubt it. Bezos was forced to raise wages which is a good thing. jalan48 Oct 2018 #22
In a word "THEFT" The Liberal Lion Oct 2018 #6
I know this wouldn't happen... forgotmylogin Oct 2018 #7
trump DownriverDem Oct 2018 #11
No but he is a legend in his own mind. Oppaloopa Oct 2018 #21
Damn. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #8
Don't worry...i"m sure that they'll "trickle down", any moment now.... Pendrench Oct 2018 #9
Here it comes jayschool2013 Oct 2018 #19
He needs a MAGA on his hat. lol Oppaloopa Oct 2018 #23
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2018 #12
k&R BlueJac Oct 2018 #14
Very illuminating. Wish there was a way to spread it far and wide. hostalover Oct 2018 #15
Can the Dems change this when they are in control again? BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #16
K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Oct 2018 #17
Something else to keep in mind, watoos Oct 2018 #18
There's one thing about this graph I don't understand. BobTheSubgenius Oct 2018 #24
Good point. Duppers Oct 2018 #29
The graph is of PERCENT CHANGE from "1 year" before the legend's timeframes BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #36
Looks like wages actually went down a wee bit. calimary Oct 2018 #25
Alms for the wealthiest. democratisphere Oct 2018 #27
annoying there is no SOURCE for this information. garybeck Oct 2018 #30
It says it zentrum Oct 2018 #32
i found it on the CAP Action Website garybeck Oct 2018 #33
And like everything else he touches, it zentrum Oct 2018 #31
The fact that the profits have now levelled off... malthaussen Oct 2018 #35
Notice That The Slope Of The Line Segment. . . ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #37
Exactly, Professor. n/t malthaussen Oct 2018 #38
This was a point that was debated by McCaskill and Hawley last night jcgoldie Oct 2018 #39
K&R and bookmarked! smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #40

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. There's only one thing to do
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 11:47 AM
Oct 2018

Cut Social Security and Medicare so those fatcat olds and sickos start paying their fair share to support corporate profits.

DownriverDem

(6,231 posts)
10. Huh?
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 01:50 PM
Oct 2018

Social Security has no affect on the deficit. Besides not all folks receiving Social Security are repubs.

True Dough

(17,327 posts)
26. I knew it when I saw it!
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 08:23 PM
Oct 2018

It's sickening what they're doing! Lining the pockets of the rich. So transparent, and yet blue-collar ReThug voters don't see it.

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
6. In a word "THEFT"
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 12:36 PM
Oct 2018

The fruits of the productivity of America is going to fewer and fewer hands. But look who is being left holding the bad to pay off this simply unnecessary debt. This graph illustrates just what the common American has become: a slave.

forgotmylogin

(7,531 posts)
7. I know this wouldn't happen...
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 12:42 PM
Oct 2018

But if TRMP were a shrewd politician, he'd use his bully pulpit to show this graph and call out corporations, saying "You got your tax relief, now start trickling it down, motherfuckers. Raise your minimum wage to a happy medium of $12 and show America that tax cuts do what we said they will."

That's the way he could spin this with minimum effort, and even if he was largely ignored, the optics would be undeniable.

But TRMP is not a shrewd politician.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
18. Something else to keep in mind,
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 02:26 PM
Oct 2018

most of those Trump working class stiffs got more money because their employers deducted less taxes. Just wait until tax time when they don't get that big tax return they are used to getting.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,567 posts)
24. There's one thing about this graph I don't understand.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 02:45 PM
Oct 2018

The Zero, or starting point of reference is Q1 2017. Wages start there and stay flat, clearly. But why does the starting point of the measurement of corporate profits start at 2.5%? At that point, profits escalated literally instantaneously?

Perhaps there is an explanation for this that is completely eluding me, but graphs, in and of themselves,. are pretty simple. If there are convoluted aspects, it's in the methodology of gathering, calculation or interpretation.

BumRushDaShow

(129,498 posts)
36. The graph is of PERCENT CHANGE from "1 year" before the legend's timeframes
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 09:40 AM
Oct 2018

So in the year from 1st qtr 2016 to 1st qtr 2017, the corporate profits had risen just over 2.5% from what they were, whereas wages had pretty much continued to stay stagnant during that 1 year period.

Fast forward to include what became large gains in the stock market and you find that corporate profits continued to increase (year over year) to eventually be 5% higher than the year before (i.e, compared to 4th qtr 2016).... AND with passage of the tax cuts for the wealthy, which included a hefty cut of the corporate taxes from 35% down to 21% (and all the corporate finagling to maximize their write-offs around that time), their profit soared compared to the same time in 2016 & eventually compared to 2017 (when you look at where they are today in 2018).

For some specifics - here was the stock market averages on 1/20/16 -

  • Dow: 15,766.7, -249.3 (-1.6%)

  • S&P 500: 1,859.3, -22, (-1.2%)

  • Nasdaq: 4,471.7, -5.3, (-0.1%)

  • WTI Crude: $26.55, (-6%)


  • https://www.businessinsider.com/closing-bell-january-20-2016-1


    And on 1/20/17 (inauguration day) -

  • Dow: 19,827.25, +94.85, (+0.48%)

  • S&P 500: 2,271.31, +7.62, (+0.34%)

  • Nasdaq: 5,555.33, +15.25, (+0.28%)

  • US 10-year yield: 2.467%, +0.008

  • WTI Crude: $53.18, +1.06, (+2.03%)


  • https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/closing-bell-january-20-2017-2017-1-1001683234


    And on 1/19/18 (1/20/18 was a Saturday this year) -

  • Dow: 26,115.65, -96.32 (-0.4%)

  • S&P 500: 2,798.03 (-0.2%)

  • Nasdaq: 7,296.05, -2.23

  • WTI Crude: $63.95, (-0.03%)


  • https://www.zacks.com/stock/news/289432/stock-market-news-for-jan-19-2018


    Here is a bigger version of the graph -



    The chart uses BLS and Federal Reserve data.

    garybeck

    (9,942 posts)
    30. annoying there is no SOURCE for this information.
    Thu Oct 18, 2018, 10:52 PM
    Oct 2018

    i am not going to share with with my friends unless i can provide a source.

    zentrum

    (9,865 posts)
    32. It says it
    Thu Oct 18, 2018, 11:06 PM
    Oct 2018

    ...on the chart. At least by my lights. Federal Bureau of Labor statistics. Etc.

    Also note the CAP ACTION logo.

    ProfessorGAC

    (65,191 posts)
    37. Notice That The Slope Of The Line Segment. . .
    Fri Oct 19, 2018, 09:54 AM
    Oct 2018

    . . . just before the sudden jump and just after is pretty much the same.

    So, the organic growth rate of profits appear to be about the same, and the entire delta is created by the firms paying less taxes and not passing any of that new net income onto the people that work there.

    jcgoldie

    (11,646 posts)
    39. This was a point that was debated by McCaskill and Hawley last night
    Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:02 AM
    Oct 2018

    Hawley was 100% Trumper on everything including the tremendous wage increases that his policies on tax cuts and trade have supposedly created. McCaskill called him out on it saying twice that the tax cuts have not lead to wage increases as this diagram illustrates. Hawley was even reluctant to break with Trump on right to work, despite the fact that Missouri just overwhelmingly voted it down 70-30.

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