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babylonsister

(171,099 posts)
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:24 AM Oct 2018

Mueller report PSA: Prepare for disappointment


Mueller report PSA: Prepare for disappointment
And be forewarned that the special counsel’s findings may never be made public.
By DARREN SAMUELSOHN
10/19/2018 05:20 AM EDT


President Donald Trump's critics have spent the past 17 months anticipating what some expect will be among the most thrilling events of their lives: special counsel Robert Mueller’s final report on Russian 2016 election interference.

They may be in for a disappointment.

That’s the word POLITICO got from defense lawyers working on the Russia probe and more than 15 former government officials with investigation experience spanning Watergate to the 2016 election case. The public, they say, shouldn’t expect a comprehensive and presidency-wrecking account of Kremlin meddling and alleged obstruction of justice by Trump — not to mention an explanation of the myriad subplots that have bedeviled lawmakers, journalists and amateur Mueller sleuths.

Perhaps most unsatisfying: Mueller’s findings may never even see the light of day.

“That’s just the way this works,” said John Q. Barrett, a former associate counsel who worked under independent counsel Lawrence Walsh during the Reagan-era investigation into secret U.S. arms sales to Iran. “Mueller is a criminal investigator. He’s not government oversight, and he’s not a historian.”


All of this may sound like a buzzkill after two years of intense news coverage depicting a potential conspiracy between the Kremlin and Trump’s campaign, plus the scores of tweets from the White House condemning the Mueller probe as a “witch hunt.”

But government investigation experts are waving a giant yellow caution flag now to warn that Mueller’s no-comment mantra is unlikely to give way to a tell-all final report and an accompanying blitz of media interviews and public testimony on Capitol Hill.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
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Mueller report PSA: Prepare for disappointment (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2018 OP
I expect it will edhopper Oct 2018 #1
It depends on the midterms still_one Oct 2018 #2
I'm mentally preparing for a big fat Fitzmas. CrispyQ Oct 2018 #3
agreed. it can't see any way we get 2/3rds in the senate to remove him, and unblock Oct 2018 #9
You've made me nostalgic for the Fitzmases of yesteryear Achilleaze Oct 2018 #19
How many people has Mueller indicted? How many guilty pleas? How many cooperating witnesses? emulatorloo Oct 2018 #32
Most of the people Mueller has indicted are Russians who never will face trial. former9thward Oct 2018 #37
It'll get leaked !! donkeypoofed Oct 2018 #4
+1. lagomorph777 Oct 2018 #7
They're saying that the report itself won't be that damning. AJT Oct 2018 #28
Sources are Trumps lawyers. emulatorloo Oct 2018 #33
That's why if it gets released soon, it might be better off for us that it happens AFTER midterms. bearsfootball516 Oct 2018 #5
So if I read this right, it's spin from Trump's defense attorneys. lagomorph777 Oct 2018 #6
the greater thing to be prepared for qazplm135 Oct 2018 #8
Learned lesson with Fitzmas. For months, woke up several times at night to check for bush indictment Hoyt Oct 2018 #10
in practice, fear the best possible outcome is an indictment of a trump family member unblock Oct 2018 #11
Mueller is not Ken Starr Yavin4 Oct 2018 #12
First--- no one KNOWS what the report will say or how it may be revealed to us. Atticus Oct 2018 #13
Conservative Politico tamping down voter turnout redstateblues Oct 2018 #14
You got that one right!! Stopped reading politico some time ago for that reason Thekaspervote Oct 2018 #16
Yes... I wish we would be cautious about the objectives behind these articles and whether to post hlthe2b Oct 2018 #18
Yah, that initially is what I thought as well....it's Politico...... a kennedy Oct 2018 #36
Nuggets of truth are being exploited, inflated, propagated and compounded by Trump legal team leaks hlthe2b Oct 2018 #15
Great post!! Thank you Thekaspervote Oct 2018 #17
Mueller doesn't leak. triron Oct 2018 #20
We can all speculate on what the report will say john657 Oct 2018 #21
Yup. progressoid Oct 2018 #22
This is the spin from the defense lawyers. It says so right in the story. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #23
There is no way Democrats should allow the findings of this investgation standingtall Oct 2018 #24
It may not matter for one major reason genxlib Oct 2018 #25
Defense lawyers being helped by Politico awesomerwb1 Oct 2018 #26
Trump is going to attempt to prevent the report from seeing the light of day tymorial Oct 2018 #27
If this happens, it's Muellers' failure, not that of the Dems. lark Oct 2018 #29
White House defense lawyers can spin it all they want. It was going to be over last year, remember? PearliePoo2 Oct 2018 #30
"from defense lawyers working on the Russia probe" emulatorloo Oct 2018 #31
Ken Starr published a whole fucking book of his findings! rusty fender Oct 2018 #34
Mueller has to know that when we win the house bluestarone Oct 2018 #35

CrispyQ

(36,533 posts)
3. I'm mentally preparing for a big fat Fitzmas.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:28 AM
Oct 2018

I've already come to terms with the fact that the Con will serve out at least one term.

unblock

(52,351 posts)
9. agreed. it can't see any way we get 2/3rds in the senate to remove him, and
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:33 AM
Oct 2018

i don't see any criminal process resolving matters quickly.

donnie will be able to delay things considerably, constantly rescheduling things due to "urgent presidential matters" such as tee time, never mind other constitutional questions regarding indicting and trying a sitting president.

even if he's indicted, i just don't see a trial starting and finishing and getting a verdict inside of the two years left in his term.

emulatorloo

(44,192 posts)
32. How many people has Mueller indicted? How many guilty pleas? How many cooperating witnesses?
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 12:42 PM
Oct 2018

This is nothing like the Fitzgerald investigation.

I would note that Politico sources for this article are “from defense lawyers working on the Russia probe”

So no surprise Trumps lawyers are spinning this way.

former9thward

(32,093 posts)
37. Most of the people Mueller has indicted are Russians who never will face trial.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 02:36 PM
Oct 2018

It is pretty easy to indict someone you know you will never have to actually prosecute in a courtroom. The guilty pleas have been by people for crimes which had nothing to do with Russia and occurred before the 2016 campaign.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. +1.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:31 AM
Oct 2018

Can't be contained forever. And if they try to conceal it, most people will assume that it's really really bad. That will totally backfire.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
28. They're saying that the report itself won't be that damning.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 12:10 PM
Oct 2018

The disaster would be the leaking of a document that isn't particularly damaging to 45 and his mafia family.

emulatorloo

(44,192 posts)
33. Sources are Trumps lawyers.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 12:45 PM
Oct 2018

“from defense lawyers working on the Russia probe”

So Trump’s lawyers say the report won’t be that damning.

Not sure I believe Trump’s lawyers. YMMV

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
5. That's why if it gets released soon, it might be better off for us that it happens AFTER midterms.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:29 AM
Oct 2018

Because if it comes out and ends up being a big, fat nothing, watch his approvals soar. That's the last thing Democrats want right before midterms.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
6. So if I read this right, it's spin from Trump's defense attorneys.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:30 AM
Oct 2018

Trying to soften the battlefield.

Sorry, not buying it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. Learned lesson with Fitzmas. For months, woke up several times at night to check for bush indictment
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:34 AM
Oct 2018

or cheney. Nope, nothing.

I am hopeful that at least one, or more, of the kids get indicted.

unblock

(52,351 posts)
11. in practice, fear the best possible outcome is an indictment of a trump family member
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:36 AM
Oct 2018

such as kushner.

that would be a big scandal, and donnie would be pissed, but he'll survive it politically. well, he'll limp along at 35%ish for the rest of his term, that is.

then he'll pardon kushner on his last day. hell, maybe sooner.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
12. Mueller is not Ken Starr
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:39 AM
Oct 2018

Ken Starr was hell bent on indicting Clinton no matter what or where the evidence took him. Listen to the Slow Burn podcast. Mueller is a very, very conservative prosecutor which means that he would never recommend indicting a sitting president unless the evidence was overwhelming and conviction was assured.

There's no question in my mind that Trump and his campaign conspired with the Russians to taint Hillary, but there's no hard evidence to back that up.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
13. First--- no one KNOWS what the report will say or how it may be revealed to us.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:40 AM
Oct 2018

Second---the first source cited for this SPECULATION is "DEFENSE lawyers working on the Russia probe".

Third---If this is correct, there is no way we can change it. If it is incorrect, it is a distraction we don't need 18 days before our last chance to save our democracy short of armed revolution.

Thekaspervote

(32,803 posts)
16. You got that one right!! Stopped reading politico some time ago for that reason
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:52 AM
Oct 2018

Having said that, I trust mueller, but just not sure what will come out. I have some doubts

hlthe2b

(102,405 posts)
18. Yes... I wish we would be cautious about the objectives behind these articles and whether to post
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:54 AM
Oct 2018

or NOT.

a kennedy

(29,719 posts)
36. Yah, that initially is what I thought as well....it's Politico......
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 02:23 PM
Oct 2018

not reputable in my opinion, take with a grain of salt.

hlthe2b

(102,405 posts)
15. Nuggets of truth are being exploited, inflated, propagated and compounded by Trump legal team leaks
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:51 AM
Oct 2018

and the compliant or overtly sympathetic MSM takes it down like stenographers.

This is at least the fifth such article I have seen like this in recent weeks/months. DUers, though I don't question the sincerity behind this posting, I'd ask that you kindly think about whether or not you want to continue to help in the dissemination, the outcome of which can only be demoralization. Nuggets of truth do not equate to ABSOLUTE truth nor ABSOLUTE outcome. Just like the "normalization" efforts behind Trump's horrific behaviors and policies, the RW wants to "numb" the public sufficiently to accept an overt failure of our checks and balances.

Laurence Tribe, Norm Eisen and other legal experts have written on this previously-- aided by those formerly within DOJ, and FBI. Let's take the time to pull these past articles out any time we are tempted by the "latest" Politico or other questionable offering.

triron

(22,025 posts)
20. Mueller doesn't leak.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 10:56 AM
Oct 2018

Also does not jive with prosecutors willing to give up so much for Manafort's
cooperation, etc.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
21. We can all speculate on what the report will say
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 11:03 AM
Oct 2018

but until it's released or leaked, nobody here knows what's in that report.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,878 posts)
23. This is the spin from the defense lawyers. It says so right in the story.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 11:21 AM
Oct 2018

We don't know how this will come out, and maybe we will be disappointed. But maybe we won't be. Anyhow, I'm not going to put much stock in what Trump's mouthpieces are telling Politico for public consumption.

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
24. There is no way Democrats should allow the findings of this investgation
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 11:34 AM
Oct 2018

to be kept from the public. The American people have a right to know what happened even if 2/3 of the congress aren't willing to do the right thing. I have no doubt the Trump administration will attempt to do everything in their power to keep the findings of the investigation from being made public especially if it's damaging to Trump, which is why Democrats should use their subpoena power to get the truth out once they have the congress.

genxlib

(5,542 posts)
25. It may not matter for one major reason
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 11:52 AM
Oct 2018

If the Democrats take over the House, they can revisit the entire investigation themselves.

If the Mueller report gets buried, that just makes it easier to justify the House panel.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
26. Defense lawyers being helped by Politico
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 11:58 AM
Oct 2018

Don't buy into this propaganda.

And if you do, let if motivate you to talk to friends, volunteer, help GOTV. Vote and bring friends.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
27. Trump is going to attempt to prevent the report from seeing the light of day
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 12:08 PM
Oct 2018

The only way this doesnt happen is if the report doesnt paint Trump unfavorably, criminal or otherwise. One could argue that this has already happened due to the indictments of those close to Trump. It will be interesting.

I just hope people are able to contain themselves if Mueller does not find any criminal activity that can be directly linked to Trump. I know that is what everyone hopes but it may not be the reality. I believe it would be good for the party if Democrats cry foul after nearly 2 years of supporting Mueller.

lark

(23,160 posts)
29. If this happens, it's Muellers' failure, not that of the Dems.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 12:16 PM
Oct 2018

Dems won't look bad for turning on Muller, but Mueller will look bad for disregarding lots of evidence if he clears Cadet Bone Spurs & family. The information is out there and a lot of it is public and it's convincing. It just needs to be put together with the actual laws violated. i also feel certain that if the report shows the truth of drumpfs' treachery and criminality, it will definitely get leaked. It's too explosive for that not to happen.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
30. White House defense lawyers can spin it all they want. It was going to be over last year, remember?
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 12:34 PM
Oct 2018

If the Democrats win the House, Adam Schiff will be Chairman Of the House Intelligence Committee!

He was interviewed and asked if he has a plan for investigations. His answer, "Without getting into specifics, there are certainly many things we will be looking into".

THEY HAVE A FUCKING PLAN AND ROAD MAP ALREADY! THEY WILL NEED WHEELBARROWS TO HOLD ALL THE SUBPOENAS!

Here are the Democrats on the House Committee:

They are ALL wicked smart, they are fired up, they HATE Devin Nunes and they are PISSED!

Adam Schiff, Ranking Member
28th District of California

Jim Himes
4th District of Connecticut

Terri Sewell
7th District of Alabama

Andre Carson
7th District of Indiana

Jackie Speier
14th District of California

Mike Quigley
5th District of Illinois

Eric Swalwell
15th District of California

Joaquin Castro
20th District of Texas

Denny Heck
10th District of Washington

These people will get to the truth. They took an oath to our Constitution and they will abide by it!

IMO, from hints Schiff has dropped is that one of the first in the "HOT SEAT" will be: Donald "fucking" Trump Jr. !











emulatorloo

(44,192 posts)
31. "from defense lawyers working on the Russia probe"
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 12:40 PM
Oct 2018

That phrase tells us all we need to know about this article.

Of course Trumps lawyers are going to spin it this way.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
34. Ken Starr published a whole fucking book of his findings!
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 02:05 PM
Oct 2018

Of course Mueller’s findings will be made public

bluestarone

(17,062 posts)
35. Mueller has to know that when we win the house
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 02:16 PM
Oct 2018

His decision (especially if Negative) WILL be rehashed!! So that's why i feel his decision will be done the right way!!

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