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Mueller report PSA: Prepare for disappointment
And be forewarned that the special counsels findings may never be made public.
By DARREN SAMUELSOHN
10/19/2018 05:20 AM EDT
President Donald Trump's critics have spent the past 17 months anticipating what some expect will be among the most thrilling events of their lives: special counsel Robert Muellers final report on Russian 2016 election interference.
They may be in for a disappointment.
Thats the word POLITICO got from defense lawyers working on the Russia probe and more than 15 former government officials with investigation experience spanning Watergate to the 2016 election case. The public, they say, shouldnt expect a comprehensive and presidency-wrecking account of Kremlin meddling and alleged obstruction of justice by Trump not to mention an explanation of the myriad subplots that have bedeviled lawmakers, journalists and amateur Mueller sleuths.
Perhaps most unsatisfying: Muellers findings may never even see the light of day.
All of this may sound like a buzzkill after two years of intense news coverage depicting a potential conspiracy between the Kremlin and Trumps campaign, plus the scores of tweets from the White House condemning the Mueller probe as a witch hunt.
But government investigation experts are waving a giant yellow caution flag now to warn that Muellers no-comment mantra is unlikely to give way to a tell-all final report and an accompanying blitz of media interviews and public testimony on Capitol Hill.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
edhopper
(33,635 posts)be leaked if kept secret.
still_one
(92,433 posts)CrispyQ
(36,533 posts)I've already come to terms with the fact that the Con will serve out at least one term.
unblock
(52,351 posts)i don't see any criminal process resolving matters quickly.
donnie will be able to delay things considerably, constantly rescheduling things due to "urgent presidential matters" such as tee time, never mind other constitutional questions regarding indicting and trying a sitting president.
even if he's indicted, i just don't see a trial starting and finishing and getting a verdict inside of the two years left in his term.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)This is nothing like the Fitzgerald investigation.
I would note that Politico sources for this article are from defense lawyers working on the Russia probe
So no surprise Trumps lawyers are spinning this way.
former9thward
(32,093 posts)It is pretty easy to indict someone you know you will never have to actually prosecute in a courtroom. The guilty pleas have been by people for crimes which had nothing to do with Russia and occurred before the 2016 campaign.
donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Can't be contained forever. And if they try to conceal it, most people will assume that it's really really bad. That will totally backfire.
AJT
(5,240 posts)The disaster would be the leaking of a document that isn't particularly damaging to 45 and his mafia family.
emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)from defense lawyers working on the Russia probe
So Trumps lawyers say the report wont be that damning.
Not sure I believe Trumps lawyers. YMMV
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Because if it comes out and ends up being a big, fat nothing, watch his approvals soar. That's the last thing Democrats want right before midterms.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Trying to soften the battlefield.
Sorry, not buying it.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)is if it doesn't directly link Trump to anything definitively.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)or cheney. Nope, nothing.
I am hopeful that at least one, or more, of the kids get indicted.
unblock
(52,351 posts)such as kushner.
that would be a big scandal, and donnie would be pissed, but he'll survive it politically. well, he'll limp along at 35%ish for the rest of his term, that is.
then he'll pardon kushner on his last day. hell, maybe sooner.
Yavin4
(35,446 posts)Ken Starr was hell bent on indicting Clinton no matter what or where the evidence took him. Listen to the Slow Burn podcast. Mueller is a very, very conservative prosecutor which means that he would never recommend indicting a sitting president unless the evidence was overwhelming and conviction was assured.
There's no question in my mind that Trump and his campaign conspired with the Russians to taint Hillary, but there's no hard evidence to back that up.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Second---the first source cited for this SPECULATION is "DEFENSE lawyers working on the Russia probe".
Third---If this is correct, there is no way we can change it. If it is incorrect, it is a distraction we don't need 18 days before our last chance to save our democracy short of armed revolution.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,803 posts)Having said that, I trust mueller, but just not sure what will come out. I have some doubts
hlthe2b
(102,405 posts)or NOT.
a kennedy
(29,719 posts)not reputable in my opinion, take with a grain of salt.
hlthe2b
(102,405 posts)and the compliant or overtly sympathetic MSM takes it down like stenographers.
This is at least the fifth such article I have seen like this in recent weeks/months. DUers, though I don't question the sincerity behind this posting, I'd ask that you kindly think about whether or not you want to continue to help in the dissemination, the outcome of which can only be demoralization. Nuggets of truth do not equate to ABSOLUTE truth nor ABSOLUTE outcome. Just like the "normalization" efforts behind Trump's horrific behaviors and policies, the RW wants to "numb" the public sufficiently to accept an overt failure of our checks and balances.
Laurence Tribe, Norm Eisen and other legal experts have written on this previously-- aided by those formerly within DOJ, and FBI. Let's take the time to pull these past articles out any time we are tempted by the "latest" Politico or other questionable offering.
Thekaspervote
(32,803 posts)triron
(22,025 posts)Also does not jive with prosecutors willing to give up so much for Manafort's
cooperation, etc.
john657
(1,058 posts)but until it's released or leaked, nobody here knows what's in that report.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,878 posts)We don't know how this will come out, and maybe we will be disappointed. But maybe we won't be. Anyhow, I'm not going to put much stock in what Trump's mouthpieces are telling Politico for public consumption.
standingtall
(2,787 posts)to be kept from the public. The American people have a right to know what happened even if 2/3 of the congress aren't willing to do the right thing. I have no doubt the Trump administration will attempt to do everything in their power to keep the findings of the investigation from being made public especially if it's damaging to Trump, which is why Democrats should use their subpoena power to get the truth out once they have the congress.
genxlib
(5,542 posts)If the Democrats take over the House, they can revisit the entire investigation themselves.
If the Mueller report gets buried, that just makes it easier to justify the House panel.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)Don't buy into this propaganda.
And if you do, let if motivate you to talk to friends, volunteer, help GOTV. Vote and bring friends.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)The only way this doesnt happen is if the report doesnt paint Trump unfavorably, criminal or otherwise. One could argue that this has already happened due to the indictments of those close to Trump. It will be interesting.
I just hope people are able to contain themselves if Mueller does not find any criminal activity that can be directly linked to Trump. I know that is what everyone hopes but it may not be the reality. I believe it would be good for the party if Democrats cry foul after nearly 2 years of supporting Mueller.
lark
(23,160 posts)Dems won't look bad for turning on Muller, but Mueller will look bad for disregarding lots of evidence if he clears Cadet Bone Spurs & family. The information is out there and a lot of it is public and it's convincing. It just needs to be put together with the actual laws violated. i also feel certain that if the report shows the truth of drumpfs' treachery and criminality, it will definitely get leaked. It's too explosive for that not to happen.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)If the Democrats win the House, Adam Schiff will be Chairman Of the House Intelligence Committee!
He was interviewed and asked if he has a plan for investigations. His answer, "Without getting into specifics, there are certainly many things we will be looking into".
THEY HAVE A FUCKING PLAN AND ROAD MAP ALREADY! THEY WILL NEED WHEELBARROWS TO HOLD ALL THE SUBPOENAS!
Here are the Democrats on the House Committee:
They are ALL wicked smart, they are fired up, they HATE Devin Nunes and they are PISSED!
Adam Schiff, Ranking Member
28th District of California
Jim Himes
4th District of Connecticut
Terri Sewell
7th District of Alabama
Andre Carson
7th District of Indiana
Jackie Speier
14th District of California
Mike Quigley
5th District of Illinois
Eric Swalwell
15th District of California
Joaquin Castro
20th District of Texas
Denny Heck
10th District of Washington
These people will get to the truth. They took an oath to our Constitution and they will abide by it!
IMO, from hints Schiff has dropped is that one of the first in the "HOT SEAT" will be: Donald "fucking" Trump Jr. !
emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)That phrase tells us all we need to know about this article.
Of course Trumps lawyers are going to spin it this way.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Of course Muellers findings will be made public
bluestarone
(17,062 posts)His decision (especially if Negative) WILL be rehashed!! So that's why i feel his decision will be done the right way!!