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The Florida city commissioner who confronted and shot an alleged shoplifter at a military surplus store earlier this month was charged with murder Friday.
Michael Dunn, who serves as Lakeland's city commissioner for the Southwest district, was confronting a man police said had taken a hatchet from the store he owns when he shot and killed him. Surveillance footage from the incident, which took place Oct. 3, was released on Monday.
Christobal Lopez, 50, was killed in the shooting.
Dunn was charged with second-degree murder on Friday. If convicted, he could spend up to life in prison.
[link:https://abcnews.go.com/US/city-official-charged-murder-state-rejects-stand-ground/story?id=58629913|]
Judi Lynn
(160,614 posts)KWR65
(1,098 posts)Mosby
(16,350 posts)It was one of those grab and run shopliftings with beer, the owner followed them out of the store and shot and killed one in the back while running across the street. The jury let him off.
brush
(53,843 posts)He did it full well knowing what he was doing. Thought the stand your ground law would get him off.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Get thee to the greatest page
marble falls
(57,203 posts)even in Fla.
babylonsister
(171,090 posts)marble falls
(57,203 posts)peekaloo
(22,977 posts)in a downtown park.
His dumb ass lawyer stood before the media last night and claimed SYG was justified because the deceased individual was brandishing a hatchet.
Who ya going to believe, him or your lying eyes?
He forgot to mention the hatchet was in his pants and that video which LPD released.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,337 posts)I figured they would claim the hatchet stuffed in the victms pants was a weapon that made the gun-nut askeered and therefore he had no choice but to shoot.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)to protect Mr. Dunn
Vinca
(50,303 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)And I fully support being able to defend yourself in whatever way you need to. But you cant shoot someone trying to get away
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I hope they throw the book at him.
SimpleC
(279 posts)I do believe in the Stand Your Ground law, however it's not being used in the manner it was intended by a select few.
I've been in a few life threatening situations and there are instances where I believe you have the right to defend yourself with lethal force if need be.
Chasing someone out of your store for a petty theft and shooting them in my opinion does not even come close to the intent of the law.
I hope such incidences doesn't incite people to rescind the Stand Your Ground law, because there are incidences where such a law is benefitial to prevent an innocent person from being wrongly convicted.
safeinOhio
(32,715 posts)I'm good with that.
hack89
(39,171 posts)safeinOhio
(32,715 posts)So you can shoot your spouse and put a knife in his or her cold dead hand? Much cheaper than a divorce lawyer.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)Guests and spouses would not meet those definitions.
hack89
(39,171 posts)safeinOhio
(32,715 posts)should never kill anyone if possible. Life or death for you, seems cut and dry. A lost kid, a drunk or mental impairment might cause someone to enter mistakenly. Even a thief, I do not want to kill someone if I can avoid it. Never retreat sounds too black and white to me. Some unarmed little kid does not deserve death. At least with duty to retreat give a jury a chance to look at the whole picture.
Like I said..just me.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)If your entire family is accounted for. I don't give a crap for what you steal, but if myself or my family is in jeopardy, then I see no reason to not defend them. Retreating from the home is often not the best option. Barricading in place is better and wait for the calvary.
The woman in Georgia that retreated all the way back to the bonus room and opened fired when the home invader entered that room had it exactly right. She had twin babies with her.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Should I just assume they are not in danger? I would never take that risk.
3Hotdogs
(12,406 posts)S.Y.G. has given every asshole that owns a gun, the hope that they get into a situation that might, maybe, could'a "just give me the chance to shot some muth'afucker."
Some of them have gotten that chance.
S.Y.G. has changed their attitude towards more permissive use of guns.
safeinOhio
(32,715 posts)applied different for people of color. Just like open carry.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I think that the tide has turned. Even some legislators that pushed SYG have said that some interpretations of the law is too lenient toward shooters. Prosecutors are taking a keener look before accepting a SYG claim. To shoot a guy dead because he was going to punch you after a fender bender is not SYG, especially when you could have simply retreated from the punch then tell him that you have a gun and he should calm down and talk through things.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)They take away the obligation to consider the situation and respond reasonably. If they're in your house, you can kill them.
There is no legal need to have anything beyond a right to self-defense (and, by extension, defense of others).
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)so the police were called in these situations and the police charged them?
Bromwell
(123 posts)Is to one day get to shoot somebody dead. The stupid stand your ground laws just made that dream easier for these clods. Hopefully this trash goes away for a long time....
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Initech
(100,101 posts)Hope this murderer is made an example of!
ooky
(8,928 posts)He intended to kill that shoplifter and deserves the ultimate punishment.